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Re: Sky Broadband: Phorm or some other snooping, or a coincidence?

c...@.....tts.is.invalid (Unbeleiver) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:15:13 UT

Yes Andy, it's a constant battle with these and a right PITA to boot!

Re: Sky Broadband: Phorm or some other snooping, or a coincidence?

c...@.....tts.is.invalid (Unbeleiver) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:12:52 UT

Try this Firefox Add-On to get rid of that sort of cookie --
BetterPrivacy -- it works quite well.

Re: Sky Broadband: Phorm or some other snooping, or a coincidence?

usenet.aug2...@adslpipe.co.uk (Andy Burns) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:10:58 UT

Yes, that was all I meant, I hate it when installers try to "smuggle"
something unrelated onto my system ...

Re: Sky Broadband: Phorm or some other snooping, or a coincidence?

c...@.....tts.is.invalid (Unbeleiver) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:06:58 UT

Graham,
Yes I believe so. I realised that Andy [1] was probably being a little
cynical about Yahoo and its 'toolbar' after I pressed the send button (it
had been a long day) - but like you, I also prefer to keep that sort of
'crap' (and the Google toolbar in particular) off my computer.
[1] Apologies Andy if it was Yahoo you were referring to.

Re: Sky Broadband: Phorm or some other snooping, or a coincidence?

gra...@nospam.zen.co.uk (Graham J) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:13:55 UT

I prefer my sat-nav in landscape format. But I really dislike the way it
turns the map so that the forward direction is "up" - I find it really
disorientating having the map moving like that. I can't find an option to
lock it to North = Up as one would use a conventional map.
This is an old version of TomTom installed on a PDA - are there other

Re: Sky Broadband: Phorm or some other snooping, or a coincidence?

no-...@unknown.com (pete) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:41:43 UT

Wow, you really are an angry little poster, aren't you? So long as the
shop assistant is being civil, would it kill you to at least *try* to
respond in kind. Apart from anything else, "no thanks" is much shorter.

Re: Sky Broadband: Phorm or some other snooping, or a coincidence?

m...@privacy.net (Graham.) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:37:49 UT

I certainly agree that a monitor on a (primarily) business machine should
be portrait, but they are rarely seen outside of the publishing industry.
You can get monitors that swivel into both orientations.
The truth is that "widescreen" sells product, even a product that suits
a square(ish) or portrait format better.

Re: IS BT deliberately setting high noise margins to reduce exchange stress?

ato_...@hotmail.com (Ato_Zee) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:46:48 UT

With a compatible router and DMT Tool you can set a lower
SNR margin, and the line does indeed go faster.
Unfortunately if you do it during the day or when
noise is low, and the noise increases, your
lower DMT Tool set SNR, will be reset back by BT.
The DSLAM looks at the reported figures from
the customers modem and adjusts the SNR to

Re: Sky Broadband: Phorm or some other snooping, or a coincidence?

jn.nntp.scrap...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - news posts) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:55:23 UT

a) lots of people buy PCs to watch films on and this suits that
b) manufacturers of LCD panels make them for TVs too

Re: IS BT deliberately setting high noise margins to reduce exchange stress?

aspami...@infohitsystems.ltd.uk (Rodney Pont) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:12:03 UT

The margin is what the value is at the time you look. It may be that it
goes down to 6dB at night and that gives the upper limit of 3000Kbps
but in the daytime the noise decreases. This makes it look as though
the line could do better whereas the speed is set by the worst case
noise so that it's stable.

Re: Sky Broadband: Phorm or some other snooping, or a coincidence?

gra...@nospam.zen.co.uk (Graham J) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:51:18 UT

[snip]
Talking of letterboxes, why is it that modern displays are a very wide
landscape format when most documents are prepared/viewed as portrait, and
most applications have their control interface (menu, toolbars, etc.) across
the top?
Surely the display should be portrait orientation, and control interface

Re: IS BT deliberately setting high noise margins to reduce exchange stress?

noon...@llondel.org (Dave {Reply Address In.Sig}) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:18:39 UT

I always thought the noise margin is a measured value at the receiving end
and is determined by the line quality. Your line B sounds as though it might
be locked to 3000Kbps because it could go faster with a reduced noise
margin. You're not asking the correct question.

Re: Sky Broadband: Phorm or some other snooping, or a coincidence?

m...@privacy.net (Graham.) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:18:59 UT

We are just talking about the Yahoo toolbar aren't we?
I suppose it's a similar situation to Adobe (Acrobat) Reader trying
it on with a Google Toolbar.
It's surprising how many people actually like this stuff (not me)
and collect so many damned toolbars that their browser window is
reduced to a narrow letterbox.

Re: Sky Broadband: Phorm or some other snooping, or a coincidence?

n...@null.org (Spamtastic Spastic) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:33:51 UT

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:53:47 +0000, Carl Waring ate alphabet spaghetti and
shat out:
If some random arsehole approaches you, be it in a store, in the street
or at your door I think 'fuck off' is a fair response.

Re: Netgear DM602 - Weird behaviour

wiresandstuff801.41a...@broadbandbanter.co.uk (WiresAndStuff801) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:14:00 UT

Ato_Zee;279562 Wrote:
Hi Ato_Zee,
Thanks for the reply. Please note, I do not use DHCP, I have fixed IP
Addresses. I checked with my local ISP and the primary and secondary
DNS servers that my DM602 points at are correct.
In terms of the DM602 log, just normal start up and shut down messages,
nothing abnormal.