> Spamtastic Spastic wrote: >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:34:12 +0000, Eeyore ate alphabet spaghetti and >> shat out:
>>> Spamtastic Spastic wrote: >>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:25:30 +0000, Eeyore ate alphabet spaghetti and >>>> shat out:
>>>>>> ZEN are still cheaper, offer unrivalled support and a better >>>>>> product for the money. Man - only a sucker gets drawn in by graphs >>>>>> of unknown metrics without checking the facts first! It's a case of >>>>>> 'bloke down pub says...' >>>>> NO ! It's YOU who needs to check the facts. One of my other replies >>>>> shows you're making it up. >>>> Let me apologise. >>> Thank you.
>>>> I took the prices from the comparison website that you posted:
>>>> Which don't seem to reflect the package you mention with the >>>> specifications shown on IDNET's own website. It was silly to take a >>>> third party link at face value, but as you had cited it some kind of >>>> oracle to consult, it was reasonable to expect it to have accurate >>>> data. >>> No, I only quoted it as a comparison site for user feedback, not an >>> up-to-date source of tariffs. Clearly the ISPs' own sites are better >>> for this.
>>> Graham
>> So it's fair to say that the general accuracy of the data on that site >> could be questioned. Clearly it contains out of date or superseded >> data, so which part of it should anyone trust - if any?
> The user feedback and forums obviously.
> Why do you want to split hairs ?
> Graham
Because you appear to be citing it as some form of authority in the ZEN-v- IDNET Furor -and- claim to work to great accuracy. I don't see that as 'splitting hairs'. Either a comparison system is accurate or not at all. It can't be 'sort of' accurate and remain credible.
As far as the OP is concerned, changing would just be 'change for change sake'. To get the 10gb plus he needs from IDENT will cost him more or less the same as it would with Zen. Sure, IDNET will give him 30gb over the ZEN 25gb for £25, but there would be no reconfiguration or hassle for him to stay put. It's not like changing to IDNET will save him money or give him any real benefit over ZEN. Pretty pointless colour graphs or no pretty colour pointless graphs.
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Following on from another thread I wanted to check myself and see what kind of response I could get from ZEN-v-IDNET and check the customer experience.
So I sent them both the same basic sales enquiry regarding their retrospective packages:
IDNET > 10GB MONTHLY PEAK PACKAGE COST: £24.46 Home Max 30gb no limit on hours
ZEN > 10GB MONTHLY PEAK PACKAGE COST: £24.46 Zen Active 25gb no limit on hours
The message asked if they provided dynamic or static IP's and free usenet. Whilst this information is useful, it was really used to test for a 'pulse'.
At 9am this morning I submitted the question to IDNET via their online 'contact us' form with a valid email address and phone number to call me on. A few moments later I emailed the Zen sales address found on their website.
RESULT: ZEN Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:32:52 +0000 Mailer: VisNetic MailFlow 3.8.1.0 Dear xxxxx,
Thanks for your enquiry,
Our broadband services can provide you with either 1 or 8 static ip addresses's at sign up. We do offer USENET newsgroup access but text only not for binaries. If you would like to go ahead then please feel free to contact me on 0845 058 9154 9am - 5pm weekdays.
Kind Regards, Lee Myott {response in 32 minutes}
IDNET As of 12:46 no response of any kind.
Next I want to test the 'abuse@' mechanism any good ISP should have in place. I had a dig through my spam logs. It's not uncommon for me to get spam from the IDNET ranges {I study spam for a living, with access to millions of spam attempts at delivery}, but it is exceptionally rare for me to see any shit at all from ZEN ranges.
First I test abuse@zen with a generic complaint. I don't have a current spammer in the ZEN ranges, so I send an email to abuse@zen that will require a human response. I get an auto response back in minutes {not such a good thing} and an answer from a human in under an hour.
Next, I test IDNET: cust112-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net[93.89.128.112] has been seem to serious spam for the last 2 weeks. It is CBL listed as currently active and spamming:
IP Address 93.89.128.112 is currently listed in the CBL. It was detected at 2009-10-28 06:00 GMT (+/- 30 minutes), approximately 4 hours, 30 minutes ago.
A report was raised and sent to ab...@idnet.net (as per the DNS whois records) and was initially greylisted:
Oct 28 10:44:43 to=<ab...@idnet.net>, relay=mx2.idnet.net [212.69.40.49]:25, delay=11, delays=0.18/0.01/10/0.11, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host mx2.idnet.net[212.69.40.49] said: 450 : Sender address rejected: Greylisted for 5 minutes (in reply to RCPT TO command))
And then handed over at: Oct 28 10:52:14 to=<ab...@idnet.net>, relay=mx1.idnet.net [212.69.36.17]:25, delay=461, delays=461/0.01/0.12/0.14, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as 7D17C53B37)
Despite this being a reasonably serious ongoing spam issue, I've seen no response so far.
Finally, a test of 'support'. I call both ZEN and IDNET as a non customer requesting to know what IP address space they have for DYNAMIC customers, so I can put a policy in place to block connections from DYNAMIC customers.
I picked lunchtime as it should be busy and a short staffed period. The call to IDNET was free (0800) and answered in under two minutes and required only one call steer button press to get where I wanted. The member of staff did not give his name on answering the call and was unable to answer the question. I pushed him and simplified it, but he was unable to answer it. I left no better off for the call.
I called ZEN (which was an 0845, free on my package, but a local call to anyone else). This took a few call platform button presses and a short wait in a queue (2 minutes). The call was answered by Martin who was able to understand the issue, get the problem, knew what he was talking about and, ultimately, answer the question. This I would consider to have solved my issue.
Thus far, my impression of IDNET is not great when I compare them to ZEN. However, I'll see if the sales & abuse issues ever get a response from IDNET and follow up.
My reason for doing this is simple. I've been a ZEN customer for years and I've never found anyone to touch them. IDNET looked like they were close, but when the crunch came, they have failed to measure up for me so far today. I'm sure they have happy customers, just as ZEN do - but my simple tests today have shown ZEN to just have the edge.
On balance I have had one experience with ZEN where a perceived a member of support staff as rude in relation to a r-dns request. This was resolved but it took escalation to a manager. The member of staff is no longer with ZEN.
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ship wrote: > On Oct 27, 12:42 am, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@removethishotmail.com> wrote: >> ship wrote: >>> Hi >>> Can any of you guys recommend any UK based broadband ISP for a small >>> home/office? >>> Requirements: >>> - I need at least 10GB/month download. >>> - It must have a fixed IP number (so I can access our secure server). >>> - I live in a slightly remote rural location. >>> - I must have a fas-ish,100% reliable service at all times of the day >>> (for Skype/Teamviewer sessions etc.) >>> Background: >>> I have been using Zen Internet for the last couple of years and >>> although I am *extremely* pleased with their speed and the >>> reliability of that speed... I am now regularly going over their >>> threshold of "up to 5GB" of download per month (which costs me >>> £15.31). The next step up is up to25GB of download per month (for >>> £21.27). >>> I think £21.27 is just far too much money to spend on broadband - even >>> if it is on as a premium quality service(!) >>> - Any recommendations for any other UK broadband service providers? >>> Ship >>> ShipertonHenethe >>> P.S. I understand that many ISPs operate a covert "fair usage policy", >>> whereby if you do download over a certain threshold, then they start >>> to slow down you web access without telling you! >>> I suspect that from some ISPs this probably is an aggregated thing >>> whereby if there is the spare capacity in your area you just get the >>> extra bandwidth. i.e. in effect it depends on how much both you and >>> your neighbours are up to! But I need a 100% reliability at all times >>> of the day for using with web conferencing (i.e. Skype / InterVIOP/ >>> Teamviewer4 etc). >> IDNet. No question about it. No throttling or whatever. If you opt for >> an ADSL2+ service ( if available in your area ) about £18 p.c.m. gets >> you 10G downloads included. Their service and support is impeccable. >> Just see their rating at thinkbroadband.com.
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> Hi
> To answer one point: I do quite a lot of webconferencing/transferring > large files during working hours. > So I probably need at least 5GB-10GB during working hours. > Lately I have started getting into BBC iPlayer (which of course is > HORRENDOUS on download weight!). > I guess I could make sure I only do the downloads after 6PM... but some > (/many?) ISPs think that off-peak > is only between 2AM and 7AM - and I wont be using much bandwidth > between those hours!
> 1. Bethere.co.uk doesn't do my area.
> 2. IDNet
> Where are you guys getting your information from - IDNet's deals are > quite different!
> b)Home > http://www.idnet.net/solutions/home/broadband/default-adsl.jsp > - There is a thing called "Home Lite", it's £17.61 but it's capped at > 5GB (i.e. the same as my Zen existing account - not enough!) > and then "£1 per GB thereafter". > - The next thing up is called "Home Max"- its allows 30GB but it costs > £24.46.
> My mates are all teasing me for being a mug and not being allowed to > download as much as I want! > Some of them use bethere but as above they are not available in my > area (rural UK) .
> What am I missing here? > Is there nothing that is reliable that allows me to freely download.
> So far, I think I may as well stay with Zen but pay £21.27 for the > 25GB/month (which I am probably fairly > unlikely to go over I suppose...)
> 3. > Wait a minute what about newnet?, I hear you cry. > Well it's about the same money as Zen, and there quality may be lower. > £21.48/month gets you only 20GB/month during peak hours - but wait > unlimited in off peak hours... > oh yes but the off peak hours are the useless ones between 2AM and > 7AM.
> Nope it still looks like Zen I'm afraid... :(
> Any other suggestions?
*through gritted teeth* have you checked out PlusNet?
They used to be OK but their traffic shaping killed everything. Now they're offering a Premium Account offering unlimited download during Offpeak and 80Gig during Peak "from £11.99" a month (rising to £15.99 or £19.99 depending on location after three months)
Obviously do you think you can handle their throttling!
And that's the problem I have with PlusNet. They offer another account, PlusNet Pro which gives 20 Gig usage allowance to download whatever you want for £19.99 a month.
Quite why, after promising 80 Gig download to Premium customers for £19.99 they then have to throttle. Why can't they just say £20, 50 Gig, whatever you like, whenever you like.
PlusNet - Simple.
If things look too good to be true, they generally are. So Premium, you can download as much web based stuff as you like or web streaming upto 80 Gig. But they throttle the hell out of everything else.
80 Gig should be 80 Gig whenever and whatever you download.
Spamtastic Spastic wrote: > Following on from another thread I wanted to check myself and see what > kind of response I could get from ZEN-v-IDNET and check the customer > experience.
Odd how your experience of IDnet support completely contradicts my own.
Straight through, no messing around, only James and Miriam do it, so its pretty easy to know who you are talking to, and both know their onions in a way no big company support droid does.
For me, I have my own free usenet service via albasani, and I wanted to ditch BT on the phone line. IDNET do that. Zen do not.
<sjd...@home.cubeone.co.uk> wrote: >ship wrote: >> On Oct 27, 12:42 am, Eeyore >> <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@removethishotmail.com> wrote: >>> ship wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> Can any of you guys recommend any UK based broadband ISP for a small >>>> home/office? >>>> Requirements: >>>> - I need at least 10GB/month download. >>>> - It must have a fixed IP number (so I can access our secure server). >>>> - I live in a slightly remote rural location. >>>> - I must have a fas-ish,100% reliable service at all times of the day >>>> (for Skype/Teamviewer sessions etc.) >>>> Background: >>>> I have been using Zen Internet for the last couple of years and >>>> although I am *extremely* pleased with their speed and the >>>> reliability of that speed... I am now regularly going over their >>>> threshold of "up to 5GB" of download per month (which costs me >>>> £15.31). The next step up is up to25GB of download per month (for >>>> £21.27). >>>> I think £21.27 is just far too much money to spend on broadband - even >>>> if it is on as a premium quality service(!) >>>> - Any recommendations for any other UK broadband service providers? >>>> Ship >>>> ShipertonHenethe >>>> P.S. I understand that many ISPs operate a covert "fair usage policy", >>>> whereby if you do download over a certain threshold, then they start >>>> to slow down you web access without telling you! >>>> I suspect that from some ISPs this probably is an aggregated thing >>>> whereby if there is the spare capacity in your area you just get the >>>> extra bandwidth. i.e. in effect it depends on how much both you and >>>> your neighbours are up to! But I need a 100% reliability at all times >>>> of the day for using with web conferencing (i.e. Skype / InterVIOP/ >>>> Teamviewer4 etc). >>> IDNet. No question about it. No throttling or whatever. If you opt for >>> an ADSL2+ service ( if available in your area ) about £18 p.c.m. gets >>> you 10G downloads included. Their service and support is impeccable. >>> Just see their rating at thinkbroadband.com.
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>> Hi
>> To answer one point: I do quite a lot of webconferencing/transferring >> large files during working hours. >> So I probably need at least 5GB-10GB during working hours. >> Lately I have started getting into BBC iPlayer (which of course is >> HORRENDOUS on download weight!). >> I guess I could make sure I only do the downloads after 6PM... but some >> (/many?) ISPs think that off-peak >> is only between 2AM and 7AM - and I wont be using much bandwidth >> between those hours!
>> 1. Bethere.co.uk doesn't do my area.
>> 2. IDNet
>> Where are you guys getting your information from - IDNet's deals are >> quite different!
>> b)Home >> http://www.idnet.net/solutions/home/broadband/default-adsl.jsp >> - There is a thing called "Home Lite", it's £17.61 but it's capped at >> 5GB (i.e. the same as my Zen existing account - not enough!) >> and then "£1 per GB thereafter". >> - The next thing up is called "Home Max"- its allows 30GB but it costs >> £24.46.
>> My mates are all teasing me for being a mug and not being allowed to >> download as much as I want! >> Some of them use bethere but as above they are not available in my >> area (rural UK) .
>> What am I missing here? >> Is there nothing that is reliable that allows me to freely download.
>> So far, I think I may as well stay with Zen but pay £21.27 for the >> 25GB/month (which I am probably fairly >> unlikely to go over I suppose...)
>> 3. >> Wait a minute what about newnet?, I hear you cry. >> Well it's about the same money as Zen, and there quality may be lower. >> £21.48/month gets you only 20GB/month during peak hours - but wait >> unlimited in off peak hours... >> oh yes but the off peak hours are the useless ones between 2AM and >> 7AM.
>> Nope it still looks like Zen I'm afraid... :(
>> Any other suggestions?
>*through gritted teeth* have you checked out PlusNet?
>They used to be OK but their traffic shaping killed everything. Now >they're offering a Premium Account offering unlimited download during >Offpeak and 80Gig during Peak "from £11.99" a month (rising to £15.99 or >£19.99 depending on location after three months)
I hadn't noticed they had changed their products again. I was going to swap to Unlimited, which does not seem to be available now :-(
>Obviously do you think you can handle their throttling!
>And that's the problem I have with PlusNet. They offer another account, >PlusNet Pro which gives 20 Gig usage allowance to download whatever you >want for £19.99 a month.
It's good they have increased the allowance of this product to 20GB. I'd go for Pro if I had a decent phone line.
>Quite why, after promising 80 Gig download to Premium customers for >£19.99 they then have to throttle. Why can't they just say £20, 50 Gig, >whatever you like, whenever you like.
>PlusNet - Simple.
>If things look too good to be true, they generally are. So Premium, you >can download as much web based stuff as you like or web streaming upto >80 Gig. But they throttle the hell out of everything else.
>80 Gig should be 80 Gig whenever and whatever you download.
PN support has been a bit iffy of late IMHO.
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ship wrote: > On Oct 27, 12:42 am, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@removethishotmail.com> wrote: >> ship wrote: >>> Hi >>> Can any of you guys recommend any UK based broadband ISP for a small >>> home/office? >>> Requirements: >>> - I need at least 10GB/month download. >>> - It must have a fixed IP number (so I can access our secure server). >>> - I live in a slightly remote rural location. >>> - I must have a fas-ish,100% reliable service at all times of the day >>> (for Skype/Teamviewer sessions etc.) >>> Background: >>> I have been using Zen Internet for the last couple of years and >>> although I am *extremely* pleased with their speed and the >>> reliability of that speed... I am now regularly going over their >>> threshold of "up to 5GB" of download per month (which costs me >>> £15.31). The next step up is up to25GB of download per month (for >>> £21.27). >>> I think £21.27 is just far too much money to spend on broadband - even >>> if it is on as a premium quality service(!) >>> - Any recommendations for any other UK broadband service providers? >>> Ship >>> ShipertonHenethe >>> P.S. I understand that many ISPs operate a covert "fair usage policy", >>> whereby if you do download over a certain threshold, then they start >>> to slow down you web access without telling you! >>> I suspect that from some ISPs this probably is an aggregated thing >>> whereby if there is the spare capacity in your area you just get the >>> extra bandwidth. i.e. in effect it depends on how much both you and >>> your neighbours are up to! But I need a 100% reliability at all times >>> of the day for using with web conferencing (i.e. Skype / InterVIOP/ >>> Teamviewer4 etc). >> IDNet. No question about it. No throttling or whatever. If you opt for >> an ADSL2+ service ( if available in your area ) about £18 p.c.m. gets >> you 10G downloads included. Their service and support is impeccable. >> Just see their rating at thinkbroadband.com.
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> Hi
> To answer one point: I do quite a lot of webconferencing/transferring > large files during working hours. > So I probably need at least 5GB-10GB during working hours. > Lately I have started getting into BBC iPlayer (which of course is > HORRENDOUS on download weight!). > I guess I could make sure I only do the downloads after 6PM... but some > (/many?) ISPs think that off-peak > is only between 2AM and 7AM - and I wont be using much bandwidth > between those hours!
> 1. Bethere.co.uk doesn't do my area.
So forget that.
> 2. IDNet
> Where are you guys getting your information from - IDNet's deals are > quite different!
Different to what ? I get my information from their website. AFAIK, just because you're a business, it doesn't restrict you to their 'business' packages. I'm sure they'll be happy to take your money on whichever tariff you choose.
It's not capped at 5GB if your exchange is capable of ADSL2+. Why don't you tell us where you are or phone IDNet on their 0800 number to ask ?
You may need a new modem / router to get the full benefit of ADSL2+ but some ADSL modems will work with it anyway, IDNet has a compatability list. In any case the extra speed you get from ADSL2+ will make it worthwhile. I'm likely to do this myself soon. Check the prices on Ebay !
> - The next thing up is called "Home Max"- its allows 30GB but it costs > £24.46.
> My mates are all teasing me for being a mug and not being allowed to > download as much as I want! > Some of them use bethere but as above they are not available in my > area (rural UK) .
> What am I missing here?
You're not using your noddle. That's why you're missing it.
And if you're a business, why does an extra £5 or so a month bother you ?
Eeyore wrote: > ship wrote: >> On Oct 27, 12:42 am, Eeyore >> <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@removethishotmail.com> wrote: >>> ship wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> Can any of you guys recommend any UK based broadband ISP for a small >>>> home/office? >>>> Requirements: >>>> - I need at least 10GB/month download. >>>> - It must have a fixed IP number (so I can access our secure server). >>>> - I live in a slightly remote rural location. >>>> - I must have a fas-ish,100% reliable service at all times of the day >>>> (for Skype/Teamviewer sessions etc.) >>>> Background: >>>> I have been using Zen Internet for the last couple of years and >>>> although I am *extremely* pleased with their speed and the >>>> reliability of that speed... I am now regularly going over their >>>> threshold of "up to 5GB" of download per month (which costs me >>>> £15.31). The next step up is up to25GB of download per month (for >>>> £21.27). >>>> I think £21.27 is just far too much money to spend on broadband - even >>>> if it is on as a premium quality service(!) >>>> - Any recommendations for any other UK broadband service providers? >>>> Ship >>>> ShipertonHenethe >>>> P.S. I understand that many ISPs operate a covert "fair usage policy", >>>> whereby if you do download over a certain threshold, then they start >>>> to slow down you web access without telling you! >>>> I suspect that from some ISPs this probably is an aggregated thing >>>> whereby if there is the spare capacity in your area you just get the >>>> extra bandwidth. i.e. in effect it depends on how much both you and >>>> your neighbours are up to! But I need a 100% reliability at all times >>>> of the day for using with web conferencing (i.e. Skype / InterVIOP/ >>>> Teamviewer4 etc). >>> IDNet. No question about it. No throttling or whatever. If you opt for >>> an ADSL2+ service ( if available in your area ) about £18 p.c.m. gets >>> you 10G downloads included. Their service and support is impeccable. >>> Just see their rating at thinkbroadband.com.
>>> Graham- Hide quoted text -
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>> Hi
>> To answer one point: I do quite a lot of webconferencing/transferring >> large files during working hours. >> So I probably need at least 5GB-10GB during working hours. >> Lately I have started getting into BBC iPlayer (which of course is >> HORRENDOUS on download weight!). >> I guess I could make sure I only do the downloads after 6PM... but some >> (/many?) ISPs think that off-peak >> is only between 2AM and 7AM - and I wont be using much bandwidth >> between those hours!
>> 1. Bethere.co.uk doesn't do my area.
> So forget that.
>> 2. IDNet
>> Where are you guys getting your information from - IDNet's deals are >> quite different!
> Different to what ? I get my information from their website. AFAIK, just > because you're a business, it doesn't restrict you to their 'business' > packages. I'm sure they'll be happy to take your money on whichever > tariff you choose.
>> b)Home >> http://www.idnet.net/solutions/home/broadband/default-adsl.jsp >> - There is a thing called "Home Lite", it's £17.61 but it's capped at >> 5GB (i.e. the same as my Zen existing account - not enough!) >> and then "£1 per GB thereafter".
> It's not capped at 5GB if your exchange is capable of ADSL2+. Why don't > you tell us where you are or phone IDNet on their 0800 number to ask ?
> You may need a new modem / router to get the full benefit of ADSL2+ but > some ADSL modems will work with it anyway, IDNet has a compatability > list. In any case the extra speed you get from ADSL2+ will make it > worthwhile. I'm likely to do this myself soon. Check the prices on Ebay !
>> - The next thing up is called "Home Max"- its allows 30GB but it costs >> £24.46.
>> My mates are all teasing me for being a mug and not being allowed to >> download as much as I want! >> Some of them use bethere but as above they are not available in my >> area (rural UK) .
>> What am I missing here?
> You're not using your noddle. That's why you're missing it.
> And if you're a business, why does an extra £5 or so a month bother you ?
> Graham
IIRC the ADSL and ADSL 2 services now cost the same and offer the same limits.
The 17.61 service with extra gigabytes to take it to 10Gbytes is £22. That's a seamless upgrade because IDNET wont cut you off -- just demand payment eventually.
At 15Gbytes you might as well be on the 30Gbyte service.
For video conferencing, remember that uplink speed is just as important - you might prefer the fancier 800K upload package, but again, it costs.
For me as I said, the advantage of IDNET apart from support, was the one stop billing on a non LLU line. No BT calls ever again with luck.
And my PAYG VOIP phone is hugely better quality than the actual telephone line, which is hissy from the broadband despite two filters in series, and low in volume. The IP phone has the gain in the router turned up to 11, and is loud and totally clear.
Spamtastic Spastic wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:03:51 +0000, Eeyore ate alphabet spaghetti and shat > out: >> Spamtastic Spastic wrote: >>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:34:12 +0000, Eeyore ate alphabet spaghetti and >>> shat out: >>>> Spamtastic Spastic wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:25:30 +0000, Eeyore ate alphabet spaghetti and >>>>> shat out:
>>>>>>> ZEN are still cheaper, offer unrivalled support and a better >>>>>>> product for the money. Man - only a sucker gets drawn in by graphs >>>>>>> of unknown metrics without checking the facts first! It's a case of >>>>>>> 'bloke down pub says...' >>>>>> NO ! It's YOU who needs to check the facts. One of my other replies >>>>>> shows you're making it up. >>>>> Let me apologise. >>>> Thank you.
>>>>> I took the prices from the comparison website that you posted:
>>>>> Which don't seem to reflect the package you mention with the >>>>> specifications shown on IDNET's own website. It was silly to take a >>>>> third party link at face value, but as you had cited it some kind of >>>>> oracle to consult, it was reasonable to expect it to have accurate >>>>> data. >>>> No, I only quoted it as a comparison site for user feedback, not an >>>> up-to-date source of tariffs. Clearly the ISPs' own sites are better >>>> for this.
>>>> Graham >>> So it's fair to say that the general accuracy of the data on that site >>> could be questioned. Clearly it contains out of date or superseded >>> data, so which part of it should anyone trust - if any? >> The user feedback and forums obviously.
>> Why do you want to split hairs ?
>> Graham
> Because you appear to be citing it as some form of authority in the ZEN-v- > IDNET Furor -and- claim to work to great accuracy. I don't see that as > 'splitting hairs'. Either a comparison system is accurate or not at all. > It can't be 'sort of' accurate and remain credible.
You're becoming boring now.
Have you used either or both of them or are you just full of shit ?
> Spamtastic Spastic wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:03:51 +0000, Eeyore ate alphabet spaghetti and >> shat out: >>> Spamtastic Spastic wrote: >>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:34:12 +0000, Eeyore ate alphabet spaghetti and >>>> shat out: >>>>> Spamtastic Spastic wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:25:30 +0000, Eeyore ate alphabet spaghetti >>>>>> and shat out:
>>>>>>>> ZEN are still cheaper, offer unrivalled support and a better >>>>>>>> product for the money. Man - only a sucker gets drawn in by >>>>>>>> graphs of unknown metrics without checking the facts first! It's >>>>>>>> a case of 'bloke down pub says...' >>>>>>> NO ! It's YOU who needs to check the facts. One of my other >>>>>>> replies shows you're making it up. >>>>>> Let me apologise. >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> I took the prices from the comparison website that you posted:
>>>>>> Which don't seem to reflect the package you mention with the >>>>>> specifications shown on IDNET's own website. It was silly to take a >>>>>> third party link at face value, but as you had cited it some kind >>>>>> of oracle to consult, it was reasonable to expect it to have >>>>>> accurate data. >>>>> No, I only quoted it as a comparison site for user feedback, not an >>>>> up-to-date source of tariffs. Clearly the ISPs' own sites are better >>>>> for this.
>>>>> Graham >>>> So it's fair to say that the general accuracy of the data on that >>>> site could be questioned. Clearly it contains out of date or >>>> superseded data, so which part of it should anyone trust - if any? >>> The user feedback and forums obviously.
>>> Why do you want to split hairs ?
>>> Graham
>> Because you appear to be citing it as some form of authority in the >> ZEN-v- IDNET Furor -and- claim to work to great accuracy. I don't see >> that as 'splitting hairs'. Either a comparison system is accurate or >> not at all. It can't be 'sort of' accurate and remain credible.
> You're becoming boring now.
> Have you used either or both of them or are you just full of shit ?
> Graham
That would be a cap that fits you Graham. You are the very definition of boring judging by all that self promotional bullshit you posted.
I note you are bitching on about 'an extra fiver' in another post, completely missing the point of the original question - like only a twonk with his head up his own arse could do. You post a shit link to some site full of out of date information like it's some kind of oracle. That tends to be the domain of the someone with a few of their pages stuck together.
The link you posted had shit loads of out of date, garbage information regarding IDNET. Grow up you silly little shit filled windroid.
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Spamtastic Spastic wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:26:37 +0000, Eeyore ate alphabet spaghetti and shat > out:
>> Spamtastic Spastic wrote: >>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:03:51 +0000, Eeyore ate alphabet spaghetti and >>> shat out: >>>> Spamtastic Spastic wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:34:12 +0000, Eeyore ate alphabet spaghetti and >>>>> shat out: >>>>>> Spamtastic Spastic wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:25:30 +0000, Eeyore ate alphabet spaghetti >>>>>>> and shat out:
>>>>>>>>> ZEN are still cheaper, offer unrivalled support and a better >>>>>>>>> product for the money. Man - only a sucker gets drawn in by >>>>>>>>> graphs of unknown metrics without checking the facts first! It's >>>>>>>>> a case of 'bloke down pub says...' >>>>>>>> NO ! It's YOU who needs to check the facts. One of my other >>>>>>>> replies shows you're making it up. >>>>>>> Let me apologise. >>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>> I took the prices from the comparison website that you posted:
>>>>>>> Which don't seem to reflect the package you mention with the >>>>>>> specifications shown on IDNET's own website. It was silly to take a >>>>>>> third party link at face value, but as you had cited it some kind >>>>>>> of oracle to consult, it was reasonable to expect it to have >>>>>>> accurate data. >>>>>> No, I only quoted it as a comparison site for user feedback, not an >>>>>> up-to-date source of tariffs. Clearly the ISPs' own sites are better >>>>>> for this.
>>>>>> Graham >>>>> So it's fair to say that the general accuracy of the data on that >>>>> site could be questioned. Clearly it contains out of date or >>>>> superseded data, so which part of it should anyone trust - if any? >>>> The user feedback and forums obviously.
>>>> Why do you want to split hairs ?
>>>> Graham >>> Because you appear to be citing it as some form of authority in the >>> ZEN-v- IDNET Furor -and- claim to work to great accuracy. I don't see >>> that as 'splitting hairs'. Either a comparison system is accurate or >>> not at all. It can't be 'sort of' accurate and remain credible. >> You're becoming boring now.
>> Have you used either or both of them or are you just full of shit ?
>> Graham
> That would be a cap that fits you Graham. You are the very definition of > boring judging by all that self promotional bullshit you posted.
> I note you are bitching on about 'an extra fiver' in another post, > completely missing the point of the original question - like only a twonk > with his head up his own arse could do. You post a shit link to some site > full of out of date information like it's some kind of oracle. That tends > to be the domain of the someone with a few of their pages stuck together.
> The link you posted had shit loads of out of date, garbage information > regarding IDNET. Grow up you silly little shit filled windroid.
Is it time for the plonk button?
I cant recall anything that you have contributed of any value forweeks, and a lot that is simply abuse, ..
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