From sea to sea there is voter unrest that poses extreme risks for incumbents of both parties. There is almost universal revulsion against Washington and a belief that politicians don't protect citizens from hostile forces that threaten them.
The conservative base threatens insider Republicans. Unrest spreads among the Democratic base about Democrats who are high-profile, low-courage, and possess no fight for real transforming change. Independents lose faith in them all. The contagion of anti-Washington sentiment reaches pandemic proportion.
The voters are right. The fix is in. The word is out. The discontent is everywhere. Official Washington becomes a besieged fortress of insiderism surrounded by voters demanding change and agitated as business as usual continues despite the speeches, sophistry and spin poured by politicians divorced from the powerful forces of worry and fairness that motivate the people of the nation.
The voters are not stupid. The voters are not happy. The politicians do not listen.
America has ended a rip-off recession and entered a rip-off recovery that is a Depression for many Americans and a life of deep worry and genuine trepidation for many others. Soon the jobless rate will reach 10 percent, a politically explosive moment. Americans know the real jobless rate is much higher.
Voters are gouged by gasoline prices that are rising again. They are gouged by banks that raise their interest rates and increase their fees with lending practices worthy of "The Godfather" under a law the president and Congress falsely claimed would protect them.
Voters are gouged by insurance premiums that rocket to the skies. They worry (correctly) that premiums will soar even higher after the current bill is enacted. Even a lobotomized public option that voters strongly support is squeezed between a president who does not really support it, insurance lobbyists who try to kill it and a Congress drenched in special interest money.
Voters are not stupid. They know they paid a king's ransom to bail out banks that treat them like they are serfs in feudal England, pay themselves titanic rewards for it and grease palms in Washington with legal bribery called campaign donations.
The fix is in. The word is out. The voters are not happy. They know that nothing has changed. They know that pain has risen in their lives while the president claims credit for doing little. The Republicans claim credit for doing nothing. Big donors are promised secret access to high-level officials in a town that has no shame and will not change.
Real wages continue their 20-year decline. Wall Street compensation reaches all-time highs. Foreclosures continue to mount. The president and Congress do nothing to stop it. Many homeowners fear they will be next. All suffer as the value of their homes decline.
Nothing has changed in Washington. Money talks and the public interest walks. Nothing has changed on Wall Street. Speculators reign while taxpayers pay. Nothing has changed on Main Street. Eloquent speeches do not stop the pain, worry or truth that the John and Jane Does of America are still being scammed.
The fix is in. The word is out. The jig is up. The voters are not stupid. The people are not happy. Washington would be well-advised to listen.
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"Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage--and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. " -John F. Kennedy, 1961
Yes we are. If we were smart, we'd be protesting 24/7, millions of us, in front of the WH, Congress, the Supreme Court, every state legislature and capitol, and every politican's local office, demanding an end to the legalized bribery of politicians and candidates.
> From sea to sea there is voter unrest that poses extreme risks for > incumbents of both parties. There is almost universal revulsion against > Washington and a belief that politicians don't protect citizens from hostile > forces that threaten them.
> The conservative base threatens insider Republicans. Unrest spreads among > the Democratic base about Democrats who are high-profile, low-courage, and > possess no fight for real transforming change. Independents lose faith in > them all. The contagion of anti-Washington sentiment reaches pandemic > proportion.
> The voters are right. The fix is in. The word is out. The discontent is > everywhere. Official Washington becomes a besieged fortress of insiderism > surrounded by voters demanding change and agitated as business as usual > continues despite the speeches, sophistry and spin poured by politicians > divorced from the powerful forces of worry and fairness that motivate the > people of the nation.
> The voters are not stupid. The voters are not happy. The politicians do not > listen.
> America has ended a rip-off recession and entered a rip-off recovery that is > a Depression for many Americans and a life of deep worry and genuine > trepidation for many others. Soon the jobless rate will reach 10 percent, a > politically explosive moment. Americans know the real jobless rate is much > higher.
> Voters are gouged by gasoline prices that are rising again. They are gouged > by banks that raise their interest rates and increase their fees with > lending practices worthy of "The Godfather" under a law the president and > Congress falsely claimed would protect them.
> Voters are gouged by insurance premiums that rocket to the skies. They worry > (correctly) that premiums will soar even higher after the current bill is > enacted. Even a lobotomized public option that voters strongly support is > squeezed between a president who does not really support it, insurance > lobbyists who try to kill it and a Congress drenched in special interest > money.
> Voters are not stupid. They know they paid a king's ransom to bail out banks > that treat them like they are serfs in feudal England, pay themselves > titanic rewards for it and grease palms in Washington with legal bribery > called campaign donations.
> The fix is in. The word is out. The voters are not happy. They know that > nothing has changed. They know that pain has risen in their lives while the > president claims credit for doing little. The Republicans claim credit for > doing nothing. Big donors are promised secret access to high-level officials > in a town that has no shame and will not change.
> Real wages continue their 20-year decline. Wall Street compensation reaches > all-time highs. Foreclosures continue to mount. The president and Congress > do nothing to stop it. Many homeowners fear they will be next. All suffer as > the value of their homes decline.
> Nothing has changed in Washington. Money talks and the public interest > walks. Nothing has changed on Wall Street. Speculators reign while taxpayers > pay. Nothing has changed on Main Street. Eloquent speeches do not stop the > pain, worry or truth that the John and Jane Does of America are still being > scammed.
> The fix is in. The word is out. The jig is up. The voters are not stupid. > The people are not happy. Washington would be well-advised to listen.
> -- > NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not > always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material > available to advance understanding of > political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. I > believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as > provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright > Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
> "Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, > that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--born in > this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud > of our ancient heritage--and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing > of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to > which we are committed today at home and around the world. > " > -John F. Kennedy, 1961
Yes we are. If we were smart, we'd be protesting 24/7, millions of us, in front of the WH, Congress, the Supreme Court, every state legislature and capitol, and every politican's local office, demanding an end to the legalized bribery of politicians and candidates.
You're not there, nor am I. ===================
Can't disagree with that. We're all still kidding ourselves.
> From sea to sea there is voter unrest that poses extreme risks for > incumbents of both parties. There is almost universal revulsion against > Washington and a belief that politicians don't protect citizens from > hostile > forces that threaten them.
> The conservative base threatens insider Republicans. Unrest spreads among > the Democratic base about Democrats who are high-profile, low-courage, and > possess no fight for real transforming change. Independents lose faith in > them all. The contagion of anti-Washington sentiment reaches pandemic > proportion.
> The voters are right. The fix is in. The word is out. The discontent is > everywhere. Official Washington becomes a besieged fortress of insiderism > surrounded by voters demanding change and agitated as business as usual > continues despite the speeches, sophistry and spin poured by politicians > divorced from the powerful forces of worry and fairness that motivate the > people of the nation.
> The voters are not stupid. The voters are not happy. The politicians do > not > listen.
> America has ended a rip-off recession and entered a rip-off recovery that > is > a Depression for many Americans and a life of deep worry and genuine > trepidation for many others. Soon the jobless rate will reach 10 percent, > a > politically explosive moment. Americans know the real jobless rate is much > higher.
> Voters are gouged by gasoline prices that are rising again. They are > gouged > by banks that raise their interest rates and increase their fees with > lending practices worthy of "The Godfather" under a law the president and > Congress falsely claimed would protect them.
> Voters are gouged by insurance premiums that rocket to the skies. They > worry > (correctly) that premiums will soar even higher after the current bill is > enacted. Even a lobotomized public option that voters strongly support is > squeezed between a president who does not really support it, insurance > lobbyists who try to kill it and a Congress drenched in special interest > money.
> Voters are not stupid. They know they paid a king's ransom to bail out > banks > that treat them like they are serfs in feudal England, pay themselves > titanic rewards for it and grease palms in Washington with legal bribery > called campaign donations.
> The fix is in. The word is out. The voters are not happy. They know that > nothing has changed. They know that pain has risen in their lives while > the > president claims credit for doing little. The Republicans claim credit for > doing nothing. Big donors are promised secret access to high-level > officials > in a town that has no shame and will not change.
> Real wages continue their 20-year decline. Wall Street compensation > reaches > all-time highs. Foreclosures continue to mount. The president and Congress > do nothing to stop it. Many homeowners fear they will be next. All suffer > as > the value of their homes decline.
> Nothing has changed in Washington. Money talks and the public interest > walks. Nothing has changed on Wall Street. Speculators reign while > taxpayers > pay. Nothing has changed on Main Street. Eloquent speeches do not stop the > pain, worry or truth that the John and Jane Does of America are still > being > scammed.
> The fix is in. The word is out. The jig is up. The voters are not stupid. > The people are not happy. Washington would be well-advised to listen.
> -- > NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not > always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material > available to advance understanding of > political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. > I > believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as > provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright > Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
> "Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, > that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--born in > this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, > proud > of our ancient heritage--and unwilling to witness or permit the slow > undoing > of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and > to > which we are committed today at home and around the world. > " > -John F. Kennedy, 1961
On Nov 3, 12:42 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> Nothing has changed in Washington. Money talks and the public interest > walks. Nothing has changed on Wall Street. Speculators reign while taxpayers > pay. Nothing has changed on Main Street. Eloquent speeches do not stop the > pain, worry or truth that the John and Jane Does of America are still being > scammed.
> The fix is in. The word is out. The jig is up. The voters are not stupid. > The people are not happy. Washington would be well-advised to listen.
" In crafting the Bill of Rights, the framers were careful to acknowledge implicitly and explicitly two key truths:
The first is that government does not grant rights it acknowledges them. They exist independently of government. They're part of who and what we are. And, as Jefferson noted in the Declaration of Independence, the only legitimate function of government is to secure them.
The second is that government is a servant to whom we delegate powers, not a master who dispenses privileges. The Constitution carefully enumerates the powers we, the people, delegate to our government and it specifically denies that government any powers not so delegated. Our rights lie beyond the pale of that delegation. They are sacrosanct. Any government which infringes upon them is engaged in an intolerable usurpation. " www.badnarik.org -----
A "right" as envisioned by the Founders meant that the government was not permitted to interfere with your pursuit of them, i.e., your pursuit of happiness was to be unhindered by government.
The "right" of free speech means that government cannot interfere with your free speech. The "right" of gun ownership means that the government cannot infringe your gun ownership. What does "right" to health care mean? It means that the government cannot stand in the way of your pursuit of health care, or impede your obtaining health care. The "right" to an attorney means that the government cannot prevent you obtaining an attorney to represent you.
Of course, "right" has incorrectly come to mean that someone must supply you with something. If your "right" to housing means that some slave must supply you with housing, and your "right" to health care means that some slave must supply you with health care, and your "right" to an attorney means that some slave must supply you with an attorney, does your "right" to free speech mean that some slave must supply you with a loudspeaker, or TV air time? Does your "right" to own guns mean that some slave must supply you with guns?
> Nothing has changed in Washington. Money talks and the public interest > walks. Nothing has changed on Wall Street. Speculators reign while > taxpayers > pay. Nothing has changed on Main Street. Eloquent speeches do not stop the > pain, worry or truth that the John and Jane Does of America are still > being > scammed.
> The fix is in. The word is out. The jig is up. The voters are not stupid. > The people are not happy. Washington would be well-advised to listen.
> --
^ but, but, but they were all elected
Yeah. Unlike when the republicans are in charge of the election machinery.
> > Nothing has changed in Washington. Money talks and the public interest > > walks. Nothing has changed on Wall Street. Speculators reign while > > taxpayers > > pay. Nothing has changed on Main Street. Eloquent speeches do not stop the > > pain, worry or truth that the John and Jane Does of America are still > > being > > scammed.
> > The fix is in. The word is out. The jig is up. The voters are not stupid. > > The people are not happy. Washington would be well-advised to listen.
> > --
> ^ but, but, but they were all elected
> Yeah. Unlike when the republicans are in charge of the election machinery.
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On Nov 3, 2:08 pm, Werner <whetz...@mac.com> wrote:
> " > In crafting the Bill of Rights, the framers were careful to > acknowledge implicitly and explicitly two key truths:
> The first is that government does not grant rights it acknowledges > them. They exist independently of government. They're part of who and > what we are. And, as Jefferson noted in the Declaration of > Independence, the only legitimate function of government is to secure > them.
The government should be dependent on the people for its existence ... No person should ever be dependent on the government for it's existence ...
number6 wrote: > The government should be dependent on the people for its existence ... > No person should ever be dependent on the government for it's > existence ...
Good. You won't mind if the gov't allows Al Qaeda to come over and kill you.
> On Nov 3, 12:42 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...
> > Nothing has changed in Washington. Money talks and the public interest > > walks. Nothing has changed on Wall Street. Speculators reign while taxpayers > > pay. Nothing has changed on Main Street. Eloquent speeches do not stop the > > pain, worry or truth that the John and Jane Does of America are still being > > scammed.
> > The fix is in. The word is out. The jig is up. The voters are not stupid. > > The people are not happy. Washington would be well-advised to listen.
But what were the choices? There was no way to vote "none of the above" except to stay home. But the media spun that stay at home "vote" as being apathy rather than what it was: total disgust with the choices. If the only people running every time are crooks then a crook will be elected everytime.
> " > In crafting the Bill of Rights, the framers were careful to > acknowledge implicitly and explicitly two key truths:
> The first is that government does not grant rights it acknowledges > them. They exist independently of government. They're part of who and > what we are. And, as Jefferson noted in the Declaration of > Independence, the only legitimate function of government is to secure > them.
> The second is that government is a servant to whom we delegate powers, > not a master who dispenses privileges. The Constitution carefully > enumerates the powers we, the people, delegate to our government and > it specifically denies that government any powers not so delegated. > Our rights lie beyond the pale of that delegation. They are > sacrosanct. Any government which infringes upon them is engaged in an > intolerable usurpation. > "www.badnarik.org > -----
> A "right" as envisioned by the Founders meant that the government > was not permitted to interfere with your pursuit of them, i.e., > your pursuit of happiness was to be unhindered by government.
> The "right" of free speech means that government cannot interfere > with your free speech. The "right" of gun ownership means that the > government cannot infringe your gun ownership. What does "right" > to health care mean? It means that the government cannot stand in > the way of your pursuit of health care, or impede your > obtaining health care. The "right" to an attorney means that the > government cannot prevent you obtaining an attorney to represent > you.
> Of course, "right" has incorrectly come to mean that someone must > supply you with something. If your "right" to housing means that > some slave must supply you with housing, and your "right" to health > care means that some slave must supply you with health care, and your > "right" to an attorney means that some slave must supply you with an > attorney, does your "right" to free speech mean that some slave must > supply you with a loudspeaker, or TV air time? Does your "right" to > own guns mean that some slave must supply you with guns?
> > Nothing has changed in Washington. Money talks and the public interest > > walks. Nothing has changed on Wall Street. Speculators reign while > > taxpayers > > pay. Nothing has changed on Main Street. Eloquent speeches do not stop > > the > > pain, worry or truth that the John and Jane Does of America are still > > being > > scammed.
> > The fix is in. The word is out. The jig is up. The voters are not > > stupid. > > The people are not happy. Washington would be well-advised to listen.
> > --
> ^ but, but, but they were all elected
> Yeah. Unlike when the republicans are in charge of the election machinery.
> On Nov 3, 1:08 pm, Werner <whetz...@mac.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 12:42 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > ...
> > > Nothing has changed in Washington. Money talks and the public interest > > > walks. Nothing has changed on Wall Street. Speculators reign while taxpayers > > > pay. Nothing has changed on Main Street. Eloquent speeches do not stop the > > > pain, worry or truth that the John and Jane Does of America are still being > > > scammed.
> > > The fix is in. The word is out. The jig is up. The voters are not stupid. > > > The people are not happy. Washington would be well-advised to listen.
> But what were the choices? There was no way to vote "none of the > above" except to stay home. But the media spun that stay at home > "vote" as being apathy rather than what it was: total disgust with > the choices. If the only people running every time are crooks then a > crook will be elected everytime.
another excellent reason to limit government. Wasn't that the original idea?
On Nov 3, 2:49 pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> number6 wrote: > > The government should be dependent on the people for its existence ... > > No person should ever be dependent on the government for it's > > existence ...
> Good. You won't mind if the gov't allows Al Qaeda to come over and kill you.
> number6 wrote: > > The government should be dependent on the people for its existence ... > > No person should ever be dependent on the government for it's > > existence ...
> Good. You won't mind if the gov't allows Al Qaeda to come over and kill > you.
> From sea to sea there is voter unrest that poses extreme risks for > incumbents of both parties. There is almost universal revulsion against > Washington and a belief that politicians don't protect citizens from hostile > forces that threaten them.
No, it's a revulsion against democrats and RINO's.
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I'll bet you're not liking the numbers tonight are you, Ricky.
Quite a come-down from your rash words of January.
Time to load up on the meds to make it through the night, isn't it?
> From sea to sea there is voter unrest that poses extreme risks for > incumbents of both parties. There is almost universal revulsion against > Washington and a belief that politicians don't protect citizens from > hostile > forces that threaten them.
^ No, it's a revulsion against democrats and RINO's.
But mostly nothing but local politics showing that the whacko right is still a regional fringe minority.
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^ I'll bet you're not liking the numbers tonight are you
I'm just as frightened as I would be by a local school board election in Elon, NC, "Tiberius."
^ Time to load up on the meds to make it through the night, isn't it?
Projecting again, Dickless? Is the Haldol dose getting a little high?. Starting to bleed from both ends, KKKurtsie? Maybe you can get your wife to fix you a nice cup of Russian tea. Unless you're worried that she might be slipping rat poison into the Russian Caravan.
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:46:35 -0800, number6 wrote: > On Nov 3, 2:08 pm, Werner <whetz...@mac.com> wrote:
>> " >> In crafting the Bill of Rights, the framers were careful to acknowledge >> implicitly and explicitly two key truths:
>> The first is that government does not grant rights it acknowledges >> them. They exist independently of government. They're part of who and >> what we are. And, as Jefferson noted in the Declaration of >> Independence, the only legitimate function of government is to secure >> them.
> The government should be dependent on the people for its existence ... > No person should ever be dependent on the government for it's existence > ...
> Dependence = control > My life is my own ...
In that case, hand in all your money. Money is nothing more than a social service provided by the government, and you shouldn't be depending on those silly little pieces of paper to live.
> > Dependence = control > > My life is my own ...
> In that case, hand in all your money. Money is nothing more than a > social service provided by the government, and you shouldn't be depending > on those silly little pieces of paper to live.
"48 year-old Anthropology degree-holder who has traveled extensively as a volunteer for the Peace Corps and served in the most godforsaken of places, decided to abandon human society for the most part, back in the autumn of 2000 and took up dwelling in a scooped out rock habitat in the waterfall-lined canyon of rural Moab, Utah."
On Nov 3, 3:49 pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> number6 wrote: > > The government should be dependent on the people for its existence ... > > No person should ever be dependent on the government for it's > > existence ...
> Good. You won't mind if the gov't allows Al Qaeda to come over and kill you.
WTF are you babbling about? Do you just post stream of consciousness? Seriously. Or are you trying to criticize Obama's new Appeasement Manifesto?
On Nov 3, 9:56 pm, "5265 Dead, 398 since 1/20/09" <d...@dead.com> wrote:
> In that case, hand in all your money. Money is nothing more than a > social service provided by the government
Uh, no. Money predates government, as anyone who knows much about history knows.
Oh, and *we* are the government. The government services us -- or should. We don't exist to serve the government. Yeah, I know, that's heresy to a liberal, but it's the truth.
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:36:15 -0800, Rick Saunders wrote: > On Nov 3, 9:56 pm, "5265 Dead, 398 since 1/20/09" <d...@dead.com> wrote:
>> In that case, hand in all your money. Money is nothing more than a >> social service provided by the government
> Uh, no. Money predates government, as anyone who knows much about > history knows.
> Oh, and *we* are the government. The government services us -- or > should. We don't exist to serve the government. Yeah, I know, that's > heresy to a liberal, but it's the truth.
First sensible thing you've said in months.
We. The people ARE the government. Not the churches, and not the goddamn corporations -- the people. We use government to keep them in check--or at least that's what we're supposed to be doing.
<d...@dead.com> wrote: >On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:36:15 -0800, Rick Saunders wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 9:56 pm, "5265 Dead, 398 since 1/20/09" <d...@dead.com> wrote:
>>> In that case, hand in all your money. Money is nothing more than a >>> social service provided by the government
>> Uh, no. Money predates government, as anyone who knows much about >> history knows.
>> Oh, and *we* are the government. The government services us -- or >> should. We don't exist to serve the government. Yeah, I know, that's >> heresy to a liberal, but it's the truth.
>First sensible thing you've said in months.
>We. The people ARE the government. Not the churches, and not the >goddamn corporations -- the people. We use government to keep them in >check--or at least that's what we're supposed to be doing.
Errrrr, you're NOT a US citizen, Fatty. Please try to remember that.
Note: when Zepp uses the word "we," he must be talking about morbidly obese, alcoholic, epileptics.... he's definitely not talking about Americans because he's been permanently banned from becoming a U S citizen...
--
Contrary to what liberals are whining, nobody owes you anything.
> "5265 Dead, 398 since 1/20/09" <d...@dead.com> wrote:
>> "sick, panders" writhed in denials, after reading from:
>>> "5265 Dead, 398 since 1/20/09" <d...@dead.com> wrote: ---- >>>> In that case, hand in all your money. Money is nothing more than a >>>> social service provided by the government
>>> Uh, no. Money predates government, as anyone who knows much about >>> history knows.
>>> Oh, and *we* are the government. The government services us -- or >>> should. We don't exist to serve the government. Yeah, I know, that's >>> heresy to a liberal, but it's the truth.
>> First sensible thing you've said in months.
>> We. The people ARE the government. Not the churches, and not the >> goddamn corporations -- the people. We use government to keep them in >> check--or at least that's what we're supposed to be doing.
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