Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now either dead or dying.
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause droughts.
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
> Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate > change
> Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > mountain pine beetle.
> Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now > either dead or dying.
> The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and > has always been known as a tree killer.
> For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of > trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale > being seen today.
> U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers > have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average > temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
> They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > temperatures that once prevailed.
> The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and > threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the > planet is warming at an alarming rate.
> Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the > warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers > insist.
> “It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan > said.
> Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
> Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is > responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
> Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird > weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause > droughts.
> That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that > would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries > and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as > solar and wind.
> Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere > that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
> It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in > energy production can start immediately.
> Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's why Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect their glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the trees... I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many trees burnt out blacken..
>> Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate >> change
>> Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other >> high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the >> mountain pine beetle.
>> Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now >> either dead or dying.
>> The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and >> has always been known as a tree killer.
>> For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of >> trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale >> being seen today.
>> U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers >> have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average >> temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
>> They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter >> temperatures that once prevailed.
>> The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and >> threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the >> planet is warming at an alarming rate.
>> Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the >> warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers >> insist.
>> “It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan >> said.
>> Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
>> Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is >> responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
>> Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird >> weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause >> droughts.
>> That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that >> would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries >> and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as >> solar and wind.
>> Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere >> that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
>> It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in >> energy production can start immediately.
>> Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
> Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's > why > Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect > their > glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
That's funny, I was able to take the Gotthard pass this summer without any problems. And, I did not receive a ticket.
> In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one > ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and > warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
> I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the > trees... > I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many > trees burnt > out blacken..
> Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate > change
> Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > mountain pine beetle.
> Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now > either dead or dying.
> The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and > has always been known as a tree killer.
> For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of > trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale > being seen today.
> U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers > have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average > temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
> They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > temperatures that once prevailed.
> The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and > threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the > planet is warming at an alarming rate.
> Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the > warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers > insist.
> “It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan > said.
> Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
> Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is > responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
> Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird > weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause > droughts.
> That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that > would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries > and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as > solar and wind.
> Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere > that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
> It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in > energy production can start immediately.
> Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
But even proponents admit that proposed reductions in US CO2 emissions will have a barely measurable impact on temperatures, particularly since China and India have made it clear that they have no intention of following suit. So why would we want to spend trillions trying vainly to stop something when we know that the approach simply won't work? If certain tree species are being impacted by global warming, then rest assured other species adapted to warmer climates will move in. The pine trees will just move further north, expanding their range into areas that were one treeless tundra. So its really not the end of the world. Let's embrace climate change and keep the lights on by continuing to burn fossil fuels. Despite all the hand-waving and political grandstanding, that's whats going to happen anyway. If you think that solar and wind will amount to more than a tiny fraction of our energy production you are kidding yourself.
> Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate > change
> Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > mountain pine beetle.
> Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now > either dead or dying.
Of coursem "gloriously"m to be teamed with "majestic" no doubt. Why do tree huggers always use the same emotionalised language?
> The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and > has always been known as a tree killer.
> For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of > trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale > being seen today.
> U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers > have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average > temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
> They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > temperatures that once prevailed.
> The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and > threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the > planet is warming at an alarming rate.
> Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the > warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers > insist.
> “It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan > said.
> Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
> Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is > responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
> Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird > weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause > droughts.
Weird indeed. Meanwhile on the real worldm weather is just the same as it always was.
> That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that > would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries > and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as > solar and wind.
> Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere > that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
Greenhouse gases also re=emit solar IR energy back into space.
> It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in > energy production can start immediately.
> Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
> > Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate > > change
> > Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > > mountain pine beetle.
> > Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now > > either dead or dying.
> > The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and > > has always been known as a tree killer.
> > For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of > > trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale > > being seen today.
> > U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers > > have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average > > temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
> > They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > > temperatures that once prevailed.
> > The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and > > threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the > > planet is warming at an alarming rate.
> > Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the > > warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers > > insist.
> > “It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan > > said.
> > Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
> > Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is > > responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
> > Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird > > weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause > > droughts.
> > That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that > > would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries > > and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as > > solar and wind.
> > Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere > > that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
> > It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in > > energy production can start immediately.
> > Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
> Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's > why > Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect > their > glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a lie.
> In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one > ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and > warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the forest.
> I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the > trees... > I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many > trees burnt > out blacken..- Hide quoted text -
> > > Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate > > > change
> > > Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > > > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > > > mountain pine beetle.
> > > Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now > > > either dead or dying.
> > > The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and > > > has always been known as a tree killer.
> > > For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of > > > trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale > > > being seen today.
> > > U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers > > > have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average > > > temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
> > > They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > > > temperatures that once prevailed.
> > > The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and > > > threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the > > > planet is warming at an alarming rate.
> > > Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the > > > warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers > > > insist.
> > > “It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan > > > said.
> > > Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
> > > Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is > > > responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
> > > Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird > > > weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause > > > droughts.
> > > That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that > > > would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries > > > and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as > > > solar and wind.
> > > Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere > > > that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
> > > It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in > > > energy production can start immediately.
> > > Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
> > Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's > > why > > Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect > > their > > glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
> That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a > lie.
> > In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one > > ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and > > warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
> Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so > destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the > forest.
> > I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the > > trees... > > I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many > > trees burnt > > out blacken..- Hide quoted text -
.........opinionated article from the popular press....
Reply:
More Gorebull Warming lies. Those who study the situation realize that it has nothing to do with gorebull Warming and everything to do with bad modern forest management and tree harvesting practices.
Like forest fires, bark beetles play an important role in the natural life cycle of a forest. By attacking older or weakened trees, bark beetles help hasten the development of younger forests.
We've always had droughts on and off, we've had warmer tempratures before, such as during the Medeival Warm Period and the Eemian, which was even warmer then now with the tree line two or three hundred miles further north.
The pine bark beetle prefer trees that are around eighty to ninety years old which is now what many of the trees left in the forests are.
In the past, forest fires controlled the pine bark beetle by burning large areas and the younger trees that grew in place were not as favorable to the beetle. Now we fight these fires with fire breaks and firefighting.
Trees damaged by lightning, hail, wind, fire, construction or tree harvesting equipment, heavy pruning but manage to survive emit odors that attract bark beetles. The harvesting of trees for lumber and paper pulp has cut huge swathes of forests down. Just use Google Earth to check for yourself. Zoom in on for instance, British Columbia, and as you close in, you will see a sick forest that is a patchwork of harvesting that looks like a disease from high up.
> > > Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate > > > change
> > > Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > > > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > > > mountain pine beetle.
> > > Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now > > > either dead or dying.
> > > The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and > > > has always been known as a tree killer.
> > > For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of > > > trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale > > > being seen today.
> > > U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers > > > have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average > > > temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
> > > They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > > > temperatures that once prevailed.
> > > The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and > > > threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the > > > planet is warming at an alarming rate.
> > > Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the > > > warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers > > > insist.
> > > “It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan > > > said.
> > > Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
> > > Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is > > > responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
> > > Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird > > > weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause > > > droughts.
> > > That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that > > > would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries > > > and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as > > > solar and wind.
> > > Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere > > > that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
> > > It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in > > > energy production can start immediately.
> > > Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
> > Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's > > why > > Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect > > their > > glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
> That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a > lie.
> > In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one > > ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and > > warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
> Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so > destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the > forest.
> > I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the > > trees... > > I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many > > trees burnt > > out blacken..- Hide quoted text -
> Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate > change
•• Where is there proof of cause? Since there is no proof, the Las Vegas editorialist is either lying or is an ignorant jackass. A year ago ±, I posted in these groups, that those trees are 200+ years old and should have been lumbered before the beetles could get them.
The trees were dying 50 years ago before the Beetles appeared
> Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > mountain pine beetle.
> Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now > either dead or dying.
•• The blame lies with the environmentalists who seem to think that everything in nature should live for millennia just like the underbrush that nature burns annually.
> The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and > has always been known as a tree killer.
> For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of > trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale > being seen today.
> U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers > have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average > temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
•• They are breeding non-stop because they have nesting places under the bark of dying 200 year old trees
> They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > temperatures that once prevailed.
•• NONSENSE
> The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and > threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the > planet is warming at an alarming rate.
•• Since the data shows that the globe has been cooling for 10 years and that the global climate over all had only warmed by less than 1 degree Celsius in 150 years so the warming excuse is a cop out.
> Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the > warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers > insist.
•• ROTFLMAO - He is speaking of global warming. Global warming is a myth and does not exist. On the other hand "Climate Change" is functioning as it has for 5 million years or more.
> “It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan > said.
•• It is just "their" past inactions that are taking these forests out
> Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
•• Only those scientists on government payrolls would agree.
> Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is > responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
•• I wonder how the editorialist would explain the below freezing temps in Denver. I guess he is an AGW alarmist and will blame it on burning "fossil" fuels.
"Burning fossil fuels" accounts for 100,000 tonnes of CO2. While photosynthetic organisms convert around 100,000,000,000 tonnes of carbon (CO2) into biomass per year.
> Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice
•• Only happens in the summertine.
> and weird > weather, including shorter springs
•• longer winters, perhaps - I've experienced a blizzard NYC in March that took me a month to dig out.
> and extended summers that cause > droughts.
•• What droughts???
I just realized that this turkey is pandering to Sen Harry Reid
> That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that > would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries > and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as > solar and wind.
> Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere > that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
•• NONSENSE - CO2 has zero effect on the atmosphere. We need all thge CO2 we can get, it is essential for all life on the planet
> It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in > energy production can start immediately.
•• That bill will do nothing of that. Rather it is another tax and spend rip off
–– –– So far neither IPCC nor has anyone else provided one iota of valid data for global warming nor have they provided data that climate change is being effected by commerce and industry, and not by natural phenomena.
> More Gorebull Warming lies. Those who study the > situation realize that it has nothing to do with gorebull Warming and > everything to do with bad modern forest management and tree harvesting > practices.
> Like forest fires, bark beetles play an important role in > the natural life cycle of a forest. By attacking older or weakened > trees, bark beetles help hasten the development of younger forests.
> We've always had droughts on and off, we've had warmer > tempratures before, such as during the Medeival Warm Period and the > Eemian, which was even warmer then now with the tree line two or three > hundred miles further north.
> The pine bark beetle prefer trees that are around > eighty to ninety years old which is now what many of the trees left in > the forests are.
> In the past, forest fires controlled the pine bark > beetle by burning large areas and the younger trees that grew in place > were not as favorable to the beetle. Now we fight these fires with > fire breaks and firefighting.
> Trees damaged by lightning, hail, wind, fire, construction > or tree harvesting equipment, heavy pruning but manage to survive emit > odors that attract bark beetles. > The harvesting of trees for lumber and paper pulp has > cut huge swathes of forests down. Just use Google Earth to check for > yourself. > Zoom in on for instance, British Columbia, and as you > close in, you will see a sick forest that is a patchwork of harvesting > that looks like a disease from high up.
•• Bullshit What you see are new young trees now able to see the sun. Without CO2 and the sunshine they can not grow
•• The trees in the Vegas Sun editorial, have been sequestered and were old growth when Teddy Roosevelt was president.
They are dying with or without the bark beetles.
•• As for that editorial -- The must of been toadying up to Harry Reid
> > > Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate > > > change
> > > Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > > > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > > > mountain pine beetle.
> > > Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now > > > either dead or dying.
> > > The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and > > > has always been known as a tree killer.
> > > For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of > > > trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale > > > being seen today.
> > > U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers > > > have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average > > > temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
> > > They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > > > temperatures that once prevailed.
> > > The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and > > > threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the > > > planet is warming at an alarming rate.
> > > Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the > > > warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers > > > insist.
> > > “It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan > > > said.
> > > Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
> > > Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is > > > responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
> > > Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird > > > weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause > > > droughts.
> > > That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that > > > would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries > > > and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as > > > solar and wind.
> > > Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere > > > that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
> > > It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in > > > energy production can start immediately.
> > > Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
> > Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's > > why > > Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect > > their > > glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
> That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a > lie.
It does surely make sense when you live in big city, the heat is trapped in greenhouse warming effect that raise temperature up than living in open wild space where heat trapped does not happen. In Aphine, the Greenhouse heat would trap by the surround mountain which melt the glacier. So Swiss banned all gasoline automobile. I saw the electric automobile they run through the city.
> > In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one > > ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and > > warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
> Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so > destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the > forest.
True there was always brushfire in Southern CA. The lastest one is the worse one ever. The air was hot and the wind was blowing so hard so easy to spread the fire all over the forest area. The fire-fighter effort was totally worthless to control it. I saw the sky the smoke blowing up into atmosphere creating a giant mushroom cloud. I thought the nuclear bomb was blown up. OH my god! Mass smokes created the giant mushroom cloud. I've never seen that before... The fires were burning for 10 days.
> > I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the > > trees... > > I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many > > trees burnt > > out blacken..- Hide quoted text -
> Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > mountain pine beetle.
> They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > temperatures that once prevailed.
Slight problem.
Presumably the pine beetle has gotten worse over the last decade in the Rocky Mountains.
But winter temperatures have fallen over the last decade in the Rockies.
So perhaps it's cooling that is killing the trees. (that's what the data indicates.)
You're obviously too busy to look at any actual data, but here it is:
> > > > Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate > > > > change
> > > > Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > > > > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > > > > mountain pine beetle.
> > > > Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now > > > > either dead or dying.
> > > > The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and > > > > has always been known as a tree killer.
> > > > For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of > > > > trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale > > > > being seen today.
> > > > U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers > > > > have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average > > > > temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
> > > > They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > > > > temperatures that once prevailed.
> > > > The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and > > > > threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the > > > > planet is warming at an alarming rate.
> > > > Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the > > > > warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers > > > > insist.
> > > > “It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan > > > > said.
> > > > Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
> > > > Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is > > > > responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
> > > > Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird > > > > weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause > > > > droughts.
> > > > That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that > > > > would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries > > > > and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as > > > > solar and wind.
> > > > Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere > > > > that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
> > > > It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in > > > > energy production can start immediately.
> > > > Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
> > > Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's > > > why > > > Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect > > > their > > > glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
> > That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a > > lie.
> It does surely make sense when you live in big city, the heat is > trapped in > greenhouse warming effect that raise temperature up than living in > open wild space where heat trapped does not happen. In Aphine, the > Greenhouse heat would trap by the surround mountain which melt the > glacier. So Swiss banned all gasoline > automobile. I saw the electric automobile they run through the city.
> > > In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one > > > ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and > > > warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
> > Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so > > destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the > > forest.
> True there was always brushfire in Southern CA. The lastest one is > the worse > one ever. The air was hot and the wind was blowing so hard so easy > to spread the fire all over the forest area. The fire-fighter effort > was totally worthless to control it. I saw the sky the smoke > blowing up into atmosphere creating a giant mushroom cloud. I thought > the nuclear bomb was blown up. OH my god! Mass smokes created the > giant mushroom cloud. I've never seen that before... The fires were > burning for 10 days.
> Yes it is getting worse...
> > > I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the > > > trees... > > > I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many > > > trees burnt > > > out blacken..- Hide quoted text -
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With the help of the arsonists that the police have been looking for.
> > > > Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate > > > > change
> > > > Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > > > > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > > > > mountain pine beetle.
> > > > Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now > > > > either dead or dying.
> > > > The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and > > > > has always been known as a tree killer.
> > > > For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of > > > > trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale > > > > being seen today.
> > > > U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers > > > > have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average > > > > temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
> > > > They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > > > > temperatures that once prevailed.
> > > > The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and > > > > threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the > > > > planet is warming at an alarming rate.
> > > > Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the > > > > warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers > > > > insist.
> > > > “It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan > > > > said.
> > > > Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
> > > > Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is > > > > responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
> > > > Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird > > > > weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause > > > > droughts.
> > > > That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that > > > > would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries > > > > and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as > > > > solar and wind.
> > > > Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere > > > > that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
> > > > It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in > > > > energy production can start immediately.
> > > > Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
> > > Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's > > > why > > > Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect > > > their > > > glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
> > That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a > > lie.
> It does surely make sense when you live in big city, the heat is > trapped in > greenhouse warming effect that raise temperature up than living in > open wild space where heat trapped does not happen. In Aphine, the > Greenhouse heat would trap by the surround mountain which melt the > glacier. So Swiss banned all gasoline > automobile. I saw the electric automobile they run through the city.
> > > In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one > > > ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and > > > warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
> > Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so > > destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the > > forest.
> True there was always brushfire in Southern CA. The lastest one is > the worse > one ever. The air was hot and the wind was blowing so hard so easy > to spread the fire all over the forest area. The fire-fighter effort > was totally worthless to control it. I saw the sky the smoke > blowing up into atmosphere creating a giant mushroom cloud. I thought > the nuclear bomb was blown up. OH my god! Mass smokes created the > giant mushroom cloud. I've never seen that before... The fires were > burning for 10 days.
> Yes it is getting worse... > > > I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the > > > trees... > > > I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many > > > trees burnt > > > out blacken..
•• Brush fires are a natural phenomenum by which it clears out the dead underbrush, permitting new growth to come up in the spring. Environmental idiots pressured California to leave the brush alone, so now there is accumulated more dry brush fuel so the fires are more intense and they start to turn a brush fire into a forest fire.
•• Shoot an envronmentalist day "wood" be very constructive.
> > Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > > mountain pine beetle.
> > They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > > temperatures that once prevailed.
> Slight problem.
> Presumably the pine beetle has gotten worse over the last decade > in the Rocky Mountains.
> But winter temperatures have fallen over the last decade in the Rockies.
> So perhaps it's cooling that is killing the trees. > (that's what the data indicates.)
•• Your data is irrelevant
Most of those tree are 200 to 300 years old and should have been selectively harvested long ago. Now they are dying and the bark beetles are feasting
> >> Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > >> high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > >> mountain pine beetle.
> >> They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > >> temperatures that once prevailed.
> >Slight problem.
> >Presumably the pine beetle has gotten worse over the last decade > >in the Rocky Mountains.
> >But winter temperatures have fallen over the last decade in the Rockies.
> >So perhaps it's cooling that is killing the trees. > >(that's what the data indicates.)
> >You're obviously too busy to look at any actual data, > >but here it is:
> The link is broken but would not show a comparison between > temperatures and altitude and a comparison of altitude and pine beetle > damage.The outbreaks of pine beetle extend far from the Rockies.
> How does climate change affect beetle populations?
> Cold winters have typically been a factor that control the spread of > mountain pine beetle, in addition to fire. A warming climate and mild > winters have allowed more mountain pine beetle to survive the winter > and go on to colonize new trees in the spring. Studies show that > warming trends over the past few decades have allowed beetles to move > into higher elevation areas and more northerly regions that were once > too cold for the beetle to survive. Such is the case in Jasper > National Park. > The above from the Canadian forest service.
> > > > > Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate > > > > > change
> > > > > Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > > > > > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > > > > > mountain pine beetle.
> > > > > Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now > > > > > either dead or dying.
> > > > > The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and > > > > > has always been known as a tree killer.
> > > > > For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of > > > > > trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale > > > > > being seen today.
> > > > > U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers > > > > > have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average > > > > > temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
> > > > > They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > > > > > temperatures that once prevailed.
> > > > > The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and > > > > > threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the > > > > > planet is warming at an alarming rate.
> > > > > Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the > > > > > warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers > > > > > insist.
> > > > > “It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan > > > > > said.
> > > > > Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
> > > > > Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is > > > > > responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
> > > > > Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird > > > > > weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause > > > > > droughts.
> > > > > That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that > > > > > would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries > > > > > and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as > > > > > solar and wind.
> > > > > Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere > > > > > that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
> > > > > It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in > > > > > energy production can start immediately.
> > > > > Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
> > > > Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's > > > > why > > > > Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect > > > > their > > > > glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
> > > That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a > > > lie.
> > It does surely make sense when you live in big city, the heat is > > trapped in > > greenhouse warming effect that raise temperature up than living in > > open wild space where heat trapped does not happen. In Aphine, the > > Greenhouse heat would trap by the surround mountain which melt the > > glacier. So Swiss banned all gasoline > > automobile. I saw the electric automobile they run through the city.
> > > > In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one > > > > ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and > > > > warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
> > > Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so > > > destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the > > > forest.
> > True there was always brushfire in Southern CA. The lastest one is > > the worse > > one ever. The air was hot and the wind was blowing so hard so easy > > to spread the fire all over the forest area. The fire-fighter effort > > was totally worthless to control it. I saw the sky the smoke > > blowing up into atmosphere creating a giant mushroom cloud. I thought > > the nuclear bomb was blown up. OH my god! Mass smokes created the > > giant mushroom cloud. I've never seen that before... The fires were > > burning for 10 days.
> > Yes it is getting worse... > > > > I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the > > > > trees... > > > > I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many > > > > trees burnt > > > > out blacken..
> •• Brush fires are a natural phenomenum by > which it clears out the dead underbrush, > permitting new growth to come up in the > spring. Environmental idiots pressured > California to leave the brush alone, so now > there is accumulated more dry brush fuel > so the fires are more intense and they start > to turn a brush fire into a forest fire.
Pwhahaha...How stop at brushfire? Why not try mass houses fires? House fire is natural. It replaces old house and provides an space and opporutnity to build new houses. Try hurricane. Katrina type of mass flooding.
On Nov 2, 11:36 pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 5:23 pm, Last Post <last_p...@primus.ca> wrote: > > •• Brush fires are a natural phenomenum by > > which it clears out the dead underbrush, > > permitting new growth to come up in the > > spring. Environmental idiots pressured > > California to leave the brush alone, so now > > there is accumulated more dry brush fuel > > so the fires are more intense and they start > > to turn a brush fire into a forest fire.
> Pwhahaha...How stop at brushfire? Why not try mass houses fires? > House fire is natural. It replaces old house and provides an space and > opporutnity > to build new houses. Try hurricane. Katrina type of mass flooding.
•• Try seeing your neurosurgeon, you need a brain sheck
> On Nov 2, 11:36 pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 2, 5:23 pm, Last Post <last_p...@primus.ca> wrote: > > > •• Brush fires are a natural phenomenum by > > > which it clears out the dead underbrush, > > > permitting new growth to come up in the > > > spring. Environmental idiots pressured > > > California to leave the brush alone, so now > > > there is accumulated more dry brush fuel > > > so the fires are more intense and they start > > > to turn a brush fire into a forest fire.
> > Pwhahaha...How stop at brushfire? Why not try mass houses fires? > > House fire is natural. It replaces old house and provides an space and > > opporutnity > > to build new houses. Try hurricane. Katrina type of mass flooding.
> •• Try seeing your neurosurgeon, you need a brain sheck
Did you meant that brushfire is naturally burnt? When the wind was blowing so hard in heat air, do you believe the spreading fire to other forest is just natural? Or climate disaster is just natural?
> > > •• Shoot an envronmentalist day "wood" be > > > very constructive.
> On Nov 3, 8:33 am, Last Post <last_p...@primus.ca> wrote:
> > On Nov 2, 11:36 pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 2, 5:23 pm, Last Post <last_p...@primus.ca> wrote: > > > > •• Brush fires are a natural phenomenum by > > > > which it clears out the dead underbrush, > > > > permitting new growth to come up in the > > > > spring. Environmental idiots pressured > > > > California to leave the brush alone, so now > > > > there is accumulated more dry brush fuel > > > > so the fires are more intense and they start > > > > to turn a brush fire into a forest fire.
> > > Pwhahaha...How stop at brushfire? Why not try mass houses fires? > > > House fire is natural. It replaces old house and provides an space and > > > opporutnity > > > to build new houses. Try hurricane. Katrina type of mass flooding.
> > •• Try seeing your neurosurgeon, you need a brain check
> Did you meant that brushfire is naturally burnt? When the wind was > blowing > so hard in heat air, do you believe the spreading fire to other forest > is just natural? > Or climate disaster is just natural?
•• The current state: those areas that are not burnt will be next autumn or the following if the underbrush is not cut out asap. That does not require up rooting, just pruning down to about 6- 9 inches. New growth will appear in the spring and should be pruned in the fall.
•• The reason that the fires have got to the trees is the huge quantities of fuel mostly upright to create huge bonfires reaching up into the trees.
•• Shoot an envronmentalist day "wood" be very constructive.
>On Nov 3, 8:33 am, Last Post <last_p...@primus.ca> wrote: >> On Nov 2, 11:36 pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Nov 2, 5:23 pm, Last Post <last_p...@primus.ca> wrote: >> > > •• Brush fires are a natural phenomenum by >> > > which it clears out the dead underbrush, >> > > permitting new growth to come up in the >> > > spring. Environmental idiots pressured >> > > California to leave the brush alone, so now >> > > there is accumulated more dry brush fuel >> > > so the fires are more intense and they start >> > > to turn a brush fire into a forest fire.
>> > Pwhahaha...How stop at brushfire? Why not try mass houses fires? >> > House fire is natural. It replaces old house and provides an space and >> > opporutnity >> > to build new houses. Try hurricane. Katrina type of mass flooding.
>> •• Try seeing your neurosurgeon, you need a brain sheck
> Did you meant that brushfire is naturally burnt? When the wind was >blowing >so hard in heat air, do you believe the spreading fire to other forest >is just natural? >Or climate disaster is just natural?
Wind doesn't blow without socialist Global Warming?
> > Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other > > high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the > > mountain pine beetle.
> > They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter > > temperatures that once prevailed.
> Slight problem.
> Presumably the pine beetle has gotten worse over the last decade > in the Rocky Mountains.
> But winter temperatures have fallen over the last decade in the Rockies.
> So perhaps it's cooling that is killing the trees. > (that's what the data indicates.)
•• that has some impact for sure but those trees are dying of old age!!
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