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From: Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:35:35 -0500
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 6:35 pm
Subject: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs

From Salon, 11/6/09:
http://www.salon.com/news/tea_parties/index.html?story=/politics/war_...

Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs

The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right
are making to genocide

By Alex Koppelman

Unfortunately, it seems that whether it's on the Internet or in real
life, Godwin's Law always finds a way to prove itself again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

People manage to use Nazi and Holocaust references in the most poorly
considered of ways, as if they're unaware of the true horror that was
the slaughter of millions of innocent people.

That sort of thing has been happening all too frequently during
protests against Democratic healthcare reform plans, and one of the
more shocking examples was on display at the protest on Capitol Hill
Thursday: A banner that featured a picture of naked, emaciated bodies
stacked in a pile, with text reading, "National Socialist Health Care:
Dachau, Germany -- 1945."
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/1.jpg

Now, someone with credibility on the issue that's all too real has
spoken out against these comparisons.

Elie Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor and author, put out a statement
through his foundation's Twitter account.

It reads simply, "Elie Wiesel on the GOP Tea Party's anti-Semitism and
Holocaust comparisons: 'This kind of political hatred is indecent and
disgusting.'"

_______________________________________________________

There must be people who remember World War II and the Holocaust who
can help us get out of this rut.

                                Martin Scorsese

Harry


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From: "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com>
Date: 7 Nov 2009 08:04:01 -0600
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs

"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message

news:5ttaf51k2jv9d3l8rr46jub2e9t72ftu6h@4ax.com...

Don't be fooled, there were a lot of Jews protesting ObamaCare in Washington
and around the country. The Dumbocrats are just playing the Hate Speech
card.


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From: The Christ <bardic26...@mypacks.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:19:49 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
 Wiesel is a liar.

Wiesel: "In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 persons to their deaths each
day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped.
Why?"
- "Author, Teacher, Witness," Time magazine, March 18, 1985, p. 79.

According to a booklet obtained from the Buchenwald Memorial Site,
which was written by Sabine and Harry Stein, "A total of 11,000 Jews
lost their lives in Buchenwald. Out of the 13,969 inmates who died in
1945, there were 7,000 Jews."

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Buchenwald/DeathStatistics.html

Wiesel reports that at Auschwitz there was one flaming ditch for the
adults and another one for babies. He writes:

"Not far from us, flames were leaping from a ditch, gigantic flames.
They were burning something. A lorry drew up at the pit and delivered
its load -- little children. Babies! Yes, I saw it -- saw it with my
own eyes ... Those children in the flames."

He does indeed say that the Germans executed Jews by fire; by
throwing
them alive into flaming ditches

A little farther on there was another ditch with gigantic flames
where
the victims suffered "slow agony in the flames." Wiesel's column was
led by the Germans to within "three steps" of the ditch, then to "two
steps." "Two steps from the pit we were ordered to turn to the left
and made to go into a barracks."

Night (Avon/Discus). See esp. pp. 41, 42, 43, 44, 79, 93.

Today there is no longer a single historian who believes that Jews
were burned alive.

Regarding Babi Yar, a place in Ukraine where the Germans executed
Soviet citizens, among them Jews, Wiesel wrote:

"Later, I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the
ground
never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of
blood
spurted from it." - Paroles d'étranger (Editions du Seuil, 1982), p.
86

The ground trembled?? Blood geysers??  How the fuck can people believe
bullshit like that???

The booklet written by Sabine and Harry Stein, which was available
from the Memorial Site in 1999, states that, in addition to the
number
of recorded deaths at Buchenwald, "More than 8,000 Soviet prisoners
of
war were shot in the stable. An estimated number of 1,100 people were
executed in the crematorium and an estimated number of between 12,000
and 15,000 people were dead upon arrival from the camps in the east
or
fell victim to the evacuation marches. This gives a total number of
approximately 56,000 persons killed."

The first U.S. Army Intelligence report, dated April 24, 1945, put
the
Buchenwald death toll at 32,705.

Conspicuously absent in the Buchenwald museum in was any evidence of
the atrocities that were so widely publicized after the camp was
liberated.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Buchenwald/DeathStatistics.html

The International Tracing Service of Arolsen, an affiliate of the Red
Cross, released a report in 1984 which said that the number of
documented deaths in Buchenwald was 20,671

The horrendous death toll during the first two months of 1945 was due
to a typhus epidemic in the camp. During the same time period, there
were also severe epidemics in all the other major concentration camps
in Germany.

Typhus is spread by lice and prisoners coming into Germany from the
death camps in what is now Poland were the carriers of the lice. The
worst epidemic of all was at Bergen-Belsen where 35,000 prisoners
died
in March and the first two weeks of April 1945.


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From: "mose" <m...@capp.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:36:13 GMT
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 7:36 pm
Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
LETS EXAMINE BS THEN

Yes, only a radical Jew, full of self-delusion and perverse
"specialness" could turn a commentary about the plummeting birthrates
of Germans and all European peoples into a chance to beat the drums of
his own persecution, as if World War II is only a footnote when
compared to the fairy tale holy writ that is the "Holocaust" story,
bent and stretched and fashioned Hollywood-style by the liar Elie
Wiesel until it resembles more an Old Testament plague than anything
that could have actually occurred in the real world, where the rules
of science still apply.

There is no evidence whatsoever to prop up the story of "gas chambers"
that this Jew whinnies and crows about, but there is ample and
irrefutable evidence proving that politically organized Jews do hate
white European peoples and have been the architects of the policies
now used to bring about our genocide. There is no smoking gun when it
comes to the "Holocaust" but there are a multitude of smoldering
weapons and lots of gun powder residue revealing the ethnicity of the
tribe of people who have a long history of hatred for white people,
Aryan people, if I may be so bold. They, the radical Jews, do, without
a doubt, stand to benefit from our extinction.

===================================

Sept 15, 2007

Eva Herman, David Duke and Thus Speaketh Grimm

By Patrick Grimm

Eva Herman is an attractive blonde-haired, blue-eyed Aryan-looking (Oi
vey! The Jewish horrors!) talk show host who has lost her job in the
last few days for merely bringing up the fact that the National
Socialist government under Adolf Hitler encouraged German motherhood
through social policy and economic incentives, something that these
media Jews hate, almost as much as they hate Jesus Christ and not
flying in first class. Herman was quoted as stating in Der Spiegel
magazine that "It was a gruesome time with a totally crazy and highly
dangerous leader who led the Germans into ruin as we all know. But
there was at the time also something good, and that is the values,
that is the children, that is the families, that is a togetherness -
it was all abolished, there was nothing left." [1]

First off, what other country's citizens would be forced by the
proprieties of the Jewish media powers-that-be to qualify any
statement about a past leader of their nation the Jews don't like by
referring to him as "totally crazy and highly dangerous"? After all,
in the former Soviet Union, past Communist leaders such as Stalin and
Lenin, who were accused of far greater excesses than Hitler, are often
referred to with fondness by those citizens burned by the present
economic realities of Jewish oligarchic power and the greatest
plundering of a nation in history.

Right off the bat, we see that the Jews determine the rules of the
dialectic, and history and memory will both be savaged to serve their
interests. The fact that Hitler revived the economy of Germany after
pulling down the Jewish banking powers and bypassing them completely
through bartering with other countries can never be praised. Why?
Because the Jews didn't like Hitler and Jewish lives are infinitely
valuable. Even Gentile lives expended saving Jews or protecting them,
are footnotes, scribblings in the margins of historiography.

David Duke discussed this little brouhaha in his most recent
commentary. As is often the case, Dr. Duke puts things succinctly into
perspective: "People sometimes ask why I so frequently bring up the
Jewish extremist issue in almost every discussion. The Spiegel article
shows how they themselves constantly use this issue to make Europeans
feel guilty about our desire for our own survival. Spiegel quotes a
`Holocaust survivor' who said that Herman's comments were, `The worst
thing I have heard for a long time.' Somehow, `gas chambers' are
inserted to an article about the need to strengthen the European
family and increase the European birthrate.

I do believe that hearing about European concern for survival of the
European people is the worst thing that this extremist Jew has heard
in a long time. Unlike the Jewish extremists, though, we here at
DavidDuke.com are not hypocrites. We believe that Jews have a right to
preserve their people, but we also believe that so do we! How ironic
that extremist Jews support the terrorist, Apartheid State of Israel,
and yet constantly condemn Europeans who simply want the survival of
the European people and civilization? The media constantly support the
idea of a Jewish State for the Jewish people, but condemn the idea of
a German State for the German people and they would condemn even a
European Union for the European people!" [2]

Yes, only a radical Jew, full of self-delusion and perverse
"specialness" could turn a commentary about the plummeting birthrates
of Germans and all European peoples into a chance to beat the drums of
his own persecution, as if World War II is only a footnote when
compared to the fairy tale holy writ that is the "Holocaust" story,
bent and stretched and fashioned Hollywood-style by the liar Elie
Wiesel until it resembles more an Old Testament plague than anything
that could have actually occurred in the real world, where the rules
of science still apply.

There is no evidence whatsoever to prop up the story of "gas chambers"
that this Jew whinnies and crows about, but there is ample and
irrefutable evidence proving that politically organized Jews do hate
white European peoples and have been the architects of the policies
now used to bring about our genocide. There is no smoking gun when it
comes to the "Holocaust" but there are a multitude of smoldering
weapons and lots of gun powder residue revealing the ethnicity of the
tribe of people who have a long history of hatred for white people,
Aryan people, if I may be so bold. They, the radical Jews, do, without
a doubt, stand to benefit from our extinction.

But Eva Herman is the sacrificial lamb, albeit a pretty one, an
example made and a human media message sent to other whites who dare
to leave the corner of fearfulness and silence that we have been
painted into by those Jews holding the rollers and brushes. Germany,
like most of the European world, lives under punishing Jewish
Bolshevik rule, their thwarted and compromised media even more firmly
"locked-down" than it was before World War II, their free speech
silenced and their rights as citizens given over to Jewish tyrants.
Instead of the positive economic incentives of a National Socialist
government, pushing motherhood, stable families and a strong economy
free of Jewish avarice, the education system works to dissolve German
families and failing that, to pervert and sicken them.

In an article entitled "German Government Publication Promotes
Incestuous Pedophilia as Healthy Sex Ed" John-Henry Westen writes:

"Booklets from a subsidiary of the German government's Ministry for
Family Affairs encourage parents to sexually massage their children as
young as 1 to 3 years of age. Two 40-page booklets entitled "Love,
Body and Playing Doctor" by the German Federal Health Education Center
(Bundeszentrale für gesundheitliche Aufklärung - BZgA) are aimed at
parents - the first addressing children from 1-3 and the other
children from 4-6 years of age.

"Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of
their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions,
while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in
their sex," reads the booklet regarding 1-3 year olds. The authors
rationalize, "The child touches all parts of their father's body,
sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same." [3]

Hmmm, it would seem that any observant individual who sees the world-
wide pattern of Jewish behavior can probably hazard a guess as to the
ethnic identity of the authors of these "helpful" little sex ed
manuals provided to German parents. Yep, back in the Weimar Republic,
you don't know how unlucky you are! But be that as it may, these
manuals make one thing as clear as a bell. The Jewish supremacists
hate white people. Gas chambers are portrayed as a ghastly genocidal
crime against humanity, but dysfunctional and disintegrated European
families, evaporated white genotypes and the "death of whiteness" are
pleasurable eventualities, savory scenarios to the powers of
international Zionism. They believe that our race is the only bulwark
against their complete domination of the globe and they are right. We
can stop them if we can only survive, only reproduce. Thus speaketh
Grimm, "we must do so."

Eva Herman is another victim of the Jews. Why was she chosen to be
served up bloodlessly, though blatantly, on the altar of media
sacrifice? That's simple. She is a rarity in Europe, an enlightened,
racially aware and traditionalist white woman, fully cognizant of what
is necessary to save the German people (and all European people) from
the quandary they are in because of low birth rates and the havoc
wreaked by a media and establishment with alien and incompatibly
exotic values and folkways. Herman is an anomaly in a media cowed and
docile before the Jewish ideology of multiculturalism, or more
accurately, multiracialism. This ideology is having the desired effect
on both Europe and America. It is sparking fragmentation, is leading
to displacement and finally will end with replacement. To have any
person speak against it will only unite and dynamize the masses, who
are firmly opposed to these Jewish-instigated policies.

David Duke said in his article that he is often asked why he so
frequently brings up the "Jewish extremist issue" when discussing the
crisis of European mankind. I am often asked the same thing, even by
friends who basically agree with me. It's an apt question and one
answered in full by the preposterous firing of Eva Herman. So many of
us "bring up" Jewish extremism because it is the biggest obstacle to
the liberation of Europeans and European-Americans. Our freedom will
never be bought
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From: "mose" <m...@capp.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:38:05 GMT
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 7:38 pm
Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
LETS EXAMINE BS THEN

Yes, only a radical Jew, full of self-delusion and perverse
"specialness" could turn a commentary about the plummeting birthrates
of Germans and all European peoples into a chance to beat the drums of
his own persecution, as if World War II is only a footnote when
compared to the fairy tale holy writ that is the "Holocaust" story,
bent and stretched and fashioned Hollywood-style by the liar Elie
Wiesel until it resembles more an Old Testament plague than anything
that could have actually occurred in the real world, where the rules
of science still apply.

There is no evidence whatsoever to prop up the story of "gas chambers"
that this Jew whinnies and crows about, but there is ample and
irrefutable evidence proving that politically organized Jews do hate
white European peoples and have been the architects of the policies
now used to bring about our genocide. There is no smoking gun when it
comes to the "Holocaust" but there are a multitude of smoldering
weapons and lots of gun powder residue revealing the ethnicity of the
tribe of people who have a long history of hatred for white people,
Aryan people, if I may be so bold. They, the radical Jews, do, without
a doubt, stand to benefit from our extinction.

===================================

Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities
during the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.

There is not a shred of evidence, for example, that "a gas chamber was
 in the process of being built at Dachau, but it was never completed."
 (See "The Second Leuchter Report" by American gas chamber expert Fred
 Leuchter in The Journal of Historical Review, Fall 1990.) There is
 likewise no proof that "mentally and physically handicapped people were
 killed" by gas at any of the four "institutions" Wiesenthal mentions.

 This US Army photo was taken at Dachau on April 30, 1945, one day after
 the camp's capture. It shows a GI standing in front of a door marked
 with a skull and crossbones and the words "Caution! Gas! Life danger! Do
 not open!" According to the official caption, "these chambers were used
 by Nazi guards for killing prisoners of the infamous Dachau
 concentration camp." In fact, this is a small disinfection gas chamber
 used for delousing clothes. It was never used to kill people. For
 several decades, this photo has been widely reproduced to help keep
 alive the notorious Dachau "gas chamber" myth. (US Army photo SC 206194.)

 ACTUALLY -- AND CONTRARY TO HIS HIGHLY FLATTERING PUBLIC IMAGE -- THE
 RENOWNED "NAZI HUNTER" HAS A WELL-DOCUMENTED BUT LITTLE-KNOWN RECORD OF
 DECEIT, MENDACITY AND PREVARICATION. SOME HIGHLIGHTS:

 Wiesenthal repeatedly lied about his alleged role in locating Adolf
 Eichmann, was consistently wrong about Josef Mengele, and falsely
 accused Polish-American Frank Walus of having murdered Jews in Poland as
 a Gestapo official. Wiesenthal has absurdly charged that the Germans
 exterminated Jews in "electrocution chambers," and that they
 manufactured bars of soap from the bodies of murdered Jews. His
 deception about his own wartime activities prompted Austrian Chancellor
 Bruno Kreisky (himself of Jewish ancestry) to accuse the "Nazi hunter"
 of having collaborated with his wartime oppressors. (For details about
 Wiesenthal's record, see: M. Weber, "Simon Wiesenthal: Bogus Nazi
 Hunter," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1989-90.)

 THE CANADIAN JEWISH NEWS, Jan. 30, 1992

 Wannsee's importance rejected
 London (JTA) - An Israeli Holocaust scholar has debunked the Wannsee
 Conference, at which top Nazi officials are said to have gathered at a
 villa in a Berlin suburb in 1942 to draw the blueprints of the "Final
 Solution."

 According to Prof. Yehuda Bauer (photo) of the Hebrew University in
 Jerusalem, Wannsee was a meeting, "but hardly a conference", and
 "little of what was said there was executed in detail."

 "The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at
 Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at."

     "I have never held myself out to be a Holocaust expert, nor
  have I written books about what is now called the Holocaust."

     "I have done my best to prepare the case that follows, but
  I respectfully submit that I do not have any duty to become an
  expert on the Holocaust, my Lord."

     "I have never claimed to be a Holocaust historian. As I have
  said, I have no written no book about the Holocaust. I have written
  no article about it. If I have spoken about it, it is usually
  because somebody has asked me a question, I have been questioned
  about it. On such occasions I have emphasised my lack of expertise
  and I have expatiated only upon those areas with which I am familiar."

  http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/transcripts/day002.htm:

     "Now, you heard me say in my opening statement, Mr Rampton,
  that I am not an expert on the Holocaust. What I would now say
  would be a figure without any value whatsoever."

     "Q. [Rampton] What you do you say about Sobibor, Treblinka,
  Belzec and Chelmno?"

     "A. [Irving] Nothing at all. I am not an expert."

  RJ.

Besides the condensation below you can exam the various reviews of the RED
CROSS covering WW2 during the time of the jews claimed astrocities commited
by the Germans.

Inmates Released

More than 200,000 prisoners were transferred from Auschwitz to other camps,
and about 8,000 were in the camp when it was liberated by Soviet forces. In
addition, about 1,500 prisoners who had served their sentences were
released, and returned to their home countries. [16] If Auschwitz had
actually been a top secret extermination center, would the Germans have
released inmates who "knew" what was happening there?
Himmler Orders Death Rate Reduced

http://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/21.html

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=5803

http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htm

http://www.777healthproducts.com/07g.htm

http://www.intellnet.org/resources/resistance/holocaust/04.htm

THE JEWS AND THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS:
A FACTUAL APPRAISAL BY THE RED CROSS.

There is one survey of the Jewish question in Europe during World War
Two and the conditions of Germany's concentration camps which is
almost unique in its honesty and objectivity, the three-volume Report
of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities
during the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.

This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral source
incorporated and expanded the findings of two previous works:
Documents sur l'activité du CICR en faveur des civils détenus dans les
camps de concentration en Allemagne 1939-1945 (Geneva, 1946), and
Inter Arma Caritas: the Work of the ICRC during the Second World War
(Geneva, 1947). The team of authors, headed by Frédéric Siordet,
explained in the opening pages of the Report that their object, in the
tradition of the Red Cross, had been strict political neutrality, and
herein lies its great value.

The ICRC successfully applied the 1929 Geneva military convention in
order to gain access to civilian internees held in Central and Western
Europe by the Germany authorities. By contrast, the ICRC was unable to
gain any access to the Soviet Union, which had failed to ratify the
Convention. The millions of civilian and military internees held in
the USSR, whose conditions were known to be by far the worst, were
completely cut off from any international contact or supervision.

The Red Cross Report is of value in that it first clarifies the
legitimate circumstances under which Jews were detained in
concentration camps, i.e. as enemy aliens. In describing the two
categories of civilian internees, the Report distinguishes the second
type as "Civilians deported on administrative grounds (in German,
"Schutzhäftlinge"), who were arrested for political or racial motives
because their presence was considered a danger to the State or the
occupation forces" (Vol. 111, p. 73). These persons, it continues,
"were placed on the same footing as persons arrested or imprisoned
under common law for security reasons." (P.74).

The Report admits that the Germans were at first reluctant to permit
supervision by the Red Cross of people detained on grounds relating to
security, but by the latter part of 1942, the ICRC obtained important
concessions from Germany. They were permitted to distribute food
parcels to major concentration camps in Germany from August 1942, and
"from February 1943 onwards this concession was extended to all other
camps and prisons" (Vol. 111, p. 78). The ICRC soon established
contact with camp commandants and launched a food relief programme
which continued to function until the last months of 1945, letters of
thanks for which came pouring in from Jewish internees.

Red Cross Recipients Were Jews
The Report states that "As many as 9,000 parcels were packed daily.
From the autumn of 1943 until May 1945, about 1,112,000 parcels with a
total weight of 4,500 tons were sent off to the concentration camps"
(Vol. III, p. 80). In addition to food, these contained clothing and
pharmaceutical supplies. "Parcels were sent to Dachau, Buchenwald,
Sangerhausen, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Flossenburg,
Landsberg-am-Lech, Flöha, Ravensbrück, Hamburg-Neuengamme, Mauthausen,
Theresienstadt, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, to camps near Vienna and in
Central and Southern Germany. The principal recipients were Belgians,
Dutch, French, Greeks, Italians, Norwegians, Poles and stateless Jews"
(Vol. III, p. 83).

In the course of the war, "The Committee was in a position to transfer
and distribute in the form of relief supplies over twenty million
Swiss francs collected by Jewish welfare organisations throughout the
world, in particular by the American Joint Distribution Committee of
New York" (Vol. I, p. 644). This latter organisation was permitted by
the German Government to maintain offices in Berlin until the American
entry into the war. The ICRC complained that obstruction of their
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From: "mose" <m...@capp.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:39:37 GMT
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
LETS EXAMINE BS THEN

Yes, only a radical Jew, full of self-delusion and perverse
"specialness" could turn a commentary about the plummeting birthrates
of Germans and all European peoples into a chance to beat the drums of
his own persecution, as if World War II is only a footnote when
compared to the fairy tale holy writ that is the "Holocaust" story,
bent and stretched and fashioned Hollywood-style by the liar Elie
Wiesel until it resembles more an Old Testament plague than anything
that could have actually occurred in the real world, where the rules
of science still apply.

There is no evidence whatsoever to prop up the story of "gas chambers"
that this Jew whinnies and crows about, but there is ample and
irrefutable evidence proving that politically organized Jews do hate
white European peoples and have been the architects of the policies
now used to bring about our genocide. There is no smoking gun when it
comes to the "Holocaust" but there are a multitude of smoldering
weapons and lots of gun powder residue revealing the ethnicity of the
tribe of people who have a long history of hatred for white people,
Aryan people, if I may be so bold. They, the radical Jews, do, without
a doubt, stand to benefit from our extinction.

===================================

Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities
during the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.

There is not a shred of evidence, for example, that "a gas chamber was
 in the process of being built at Dachau, but it was never completed."
 (See "The Second Leuchter Report" by American gas chamber expert Fred
 Leuchter in The Journal of Historical Review, Fall 1990.) There is
 likewise no proof that "mentally and physically handicapped people were
 killed" by gas at any of the four "institutions" Wiesenthal mentions.

 This US Army photo was taken at Dachau on April 30, 1945, one day after
 the camp's capture. It shows a GI standing in front of a door marked
 with a skull and crossbones and the words "Caution! Gas! Life danger! Do
 not open!" According to the official caption, "these chambers were used
 by Nazi guards for killing prisoners of the infamous Dachau
 concentration camp." In fact, this is a small disinfection gas chamber
 used for delousing clothes. It was never used to kill people. For
 several decades, this photo has been widely reproduced to help keep
 alive the notorious Dachau "gas chamber" myth. (US Army photo SC 206194.)

 ACTUALLY -- AND CONTRARY TO HIS HIGHLY FLATTERING PUBLIC IMAGE -- THE
 RENOWNED "NAZI HUNTER" HAS A WELL-DOCUMENTED BUT LITTLE-KNOWN RECORD OF
 DECEIT, MENDACITY AND PREVARICATION. SOME HIGHLIGHTS:

 Wiesenthal repeatedly lied about his alleged role in locating Adolf
 Eichmann, was consistently wrong about Josef Mengele, and falsely
 accused Polish-American Frank Walus of having murdered Jews in Poland as
 a Gestapo official. Wiesenthal has absurdly charged that the Germans
 exterminated Jews in "electrocution chambers," and that they
 manufactured bars of soap from the bodies of murdered Jews. His
 deception about his own wartime activities prompted Austrian Chancellor
 Bruno Kreisky (himself of Jewish ancestry) to accuse the "Nazi hunter"
 of having collaborated with his wartime oppressors. (For details about
 Wiesenthal's record, see: M. Weber, "Simon Wiesenthal: Bogus Nazi
 Hunter," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1989-90.)

 THE CANADIAN JEWISH NEWS, Jan. 30, 1992

 Wannsee's importance rejected
 London (JTA) - An Israeli Holocaust scholar has debunked the Wannsee
 Conference, at which top Nazi officials are said to have gathered at a
 villa in a Berlin suburb in 1942 to draw the blueprints of the "Final
 Solution."

 According to Prof. Yehuda Bauer (photo) of the Hebrew University in
 Jerusalem, Wannsee was a meeting, "but hardly a conference", and
 "little of what was said there was executed in detail."

 "The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at
 Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at."

     "I have never held myself out to be a Holocaust expert, nor
  have I written books about what is now called the Holocaust."

     "I have done my best to prepare the case that follows, but
  I respectfully submit that I do not have any duty to become an
  expert on the Holocaust, my Lord."

     "I have never claimed to be a Holocaust historian. As I have
  said, I have no written no book about the Holocaust. I have written
  no article about it. If I have spoken about it, it is usually
  because somebody has asked me a question, I have been questioned
  about it. On such occasions I have emphasised my lack of expertise
  and I have expatiated only upon those areas with which I am familiar."

  http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/transcripts/day002.htm:

     "Now, you heard me say in my opening statement, Mr Rampton,
  that I am not an expert on the Holocaust. What I would now say
  would be a figure without any value whatsoever."

     "Q. [Rampton] What you do you say about Sobibor, Treblinka,
  Belzec and Chelmno?"

     "A. [Irving] Nothing at all. I am not an expert."

  RJ.

Besides the condensation below you can exam the various reviews of the RED
CROSS covering WW2 during the time of the jews claimed astrocities commited
by the Germans.

Inmates Released

More than 200,000 prisoners were transferred from Auschwitz to other camps,
and about 8,000 were in the camp when it was liberated by Soviet forces. In
addition, about 1,500 prisoners who had served their sentences were
released, and returned to their home countries. [16] If Auschwitz had
actually been a top secret extermination center, would the Germans have
released inmates who "knew" what was happening there?
Himmler Orders Death Rate Reduced

http://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/21.html

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=5803

http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htm

http://www.777healthproducts.com/07g.htm

http://www.intellnet.org/resources/resistance/holocaust/04.htm

THE JEWS AND THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS:
A FACTUAL APPRAISAL BY THE RED CROSS.

There is one survey of the Jewish question in Europe during World War
Two and the conditions of Germany's concentration camps which is
almost unique in its honesty and objectivity, the three-volume Report
of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities
during the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.

This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral source
incorporated and expanded the findings of two previous works:
Documents sur l'activité du CICR en faveur des civils détenus dans les
camps de concentration en Allemagne 1939-1945 (Geneva, 1946), and
Inter Arma Caritas: the Work of the ICRC during the Second World War
(Geneva, 1947). The team of authors, headed by Frédéric Siordet,
explained in the opening pages of the Report that their object, in the
tradition of the Red Cross, had been strict political neutrality, and
herein lies its great value.

The ICRC successfully applied the 1929 Geneva military convention in
order to gain access to civilian internees held in Central and Western
Europe by the Germany authorities. By contrast, the ICRC was unable to
gain any access to the Soviet Union, which had failed to ratify the
Convention. The millions of civilian and military internees held in
the USSR, whose conditions were known to be by far the worst, were
completely cut off from any international contact or supervision.

The Red Cross Report is of value in that it first clarifies the
legitimate circumstances under which Jews were detained in
concentration camps, i.e. as enemy aliens. In describing the two
categories of civilian internees, the Report distinguishes the second
type as "Civilians deported on administrative grounds (in German,
"Schutzhäftlinge"), who were arrested for political or racial motives
because their presence was considered a danger to the State or the
occupation forces" (Vol. 111, p. 73). These persons, it continues,
"were placed on the same footing as persons arrested or imprisoned
under common law for security reasons." (P.74).

The Report admits that the Germans were at first reluctant to permit
supervision by the Red Cross of people detained on grounds relating to
security, but by the latter part of 1942, the ICRC obtained important
concessions from Germany. They were permitted to distribute food
parcels to major concentration camps in Germany from August 1942, and
"from February 1943 onwards this concession was extended to all other
camps and prisons" (Vol. 111, p. 78). The ICRC soon established
contact with camp commandants and launched a food relief programme
which continued to function until the last months of 1945, letters of
thanks for which came pouring in from Jewish internees.

Red Cross Recipients Were Jews
The Report states that "As many as 9,000 parcels were packed daily.
From the autumn of 1943 until May 1945, about 1,112,000 parcels with a
total weight of 4,500 tons were sent off to the concentration camps"
(Vol. III, p. 80). In addition to food, these contained clothing and
pharmaceutical supplies. "Parcels were sent to Dachau, Buchenwald,
Sangerhausen, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Flossenburg,
Landsberg-am-Lech, Flöha, Ravensbrück, Hamburg-Neuengamme, Mauthausen,
Theresienstadt, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, to camps near Vienna and in
Central and Southern Germany. The principal recipients were Belgians,
Dutch, French, Greeks, Italians, Norwegians, Poles and stateless Jews"
(Vol. III, p. 83).

In the course of the war, "The Committee was in a position to transfer
and distribute in the form of relief supplies over twenty million
Swiss francs collected by Jewish welfare organisations throughout the
world, in particular by the American Joint Distribution Committee of
New York" (Vol. I, p. 644). This latter organisation was permitted by
the German Government to maintain offices in Berlin until the American
entry into the war. The ICRC complained that obstruction of their
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From: Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:53:41 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
On Nov 7, 9:19 am, The Christ <bardic26...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>  Wiesel is a liar.

Notice all the antisemitic ass holes came out to play......

Drooling scum.


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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:08:58 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
On Nov 7, 11:53 am, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> On Nov 7, 9:19 am, The Christ <bardic26...@mypacks.net> wrote:>  Wiesel is a liar.

> Notice all the antisemitic ass holes came out to play......

> Drooling scum.

Ass holes no body  some one let's talk intelligence .Oh never
mind..............

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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:21:36 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
On Nov 7, 7:19 am, The Christ <bardic26...@mypacks.net> wrote:

>  Wiesel is a liar.

Were you there?

If not, you were the liar.

If  you were, you were with many of my relatives and should have no
problem identifying them.

Your age and place of birth?

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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:24:10 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
On Nov 7, 7:36 am, "mose" <m...@capp.com> wrote:

> LETS EXAMINE BS THEN

Yes, lets.

Tell us the date on which Christ was born.

Ends of discussion.

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From: Dänk 1010011010 <dank...@rocketmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:50:29 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
On Nov 7, 6:35 am, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> From Salon, 11/6/09:http://www.salon.com/news/tea_parties/index.html?story=/politics/war_...

> Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs

> The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right
> are making to genocide
> ...
>_______________

> There must be people who remember World War II and the Holocaust who
> can help us get out of this rut.

>                                 Martin Scorsese

> Harry

I just wonder where you and Elie Wiesel were when leftards were
comparing George W. Bush to Adolf Hitler, such as in this protest sign
I saw in San Francisco last year:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3653/3644823884_5780daea31.jpg


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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 00:23:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs

"

Wiesel is compelled to enforce his copyright on the term.
"holocaust" may only be used to refer to Jewish victimhood.

rw


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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:36:44 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
On Nov 8, 5:42 pm, Peter Principle <petesfe...@SNIPITgmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 00:23:00 -0600, "r wiley" <rawi...@southslope.net> wrote:

> >"

> >Wiesel is compelled to enforce his copyright on the term.
> >"holocaust" may only be used to refer to Jewish victimhood.

> Um, FYI, you subliterate stupid motherfucker, there is a difference between
> "holocaust" and "Holocaust."

> One is a generic noun referring to devastation and/or destruction. One is a
> proper noun that applies to a specific historical event.

"So you see the world is coming to an end and you want to make a
Holocaust back in 1941.  That's not a Holocaust, that was man's war
against man.  That's not God's war against man.  God is in everything,
y'know.  We need to fix the water, we need to help the damn trees, we
need to stop the fuckin' pollution, we need to stop them damn
automobiles and do a lot more walking.  Get back to bicycles.  Quit
using paper, quit wiping your ass with the trees.  Quit wasting all
the fuckin' paper, man."
-- Charles Manson

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:44:39 -0600
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs

"Peter Principle" <petesfe...@SNIPITgmail.com> wrote in message news:h1pef5ppc5ipb243olnmq4e4fa85vbmag1@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 00:23:00 -0600, "r wiley" <rawi...@southslope.net> wrote:

>>"

>>Wiesel is compelled to enforce his copyright on the term.
>>"holocaust" may only be used to refer to Jewish victimhood.

> Um, FYI, you subliterate stupid motherfucker, there is a difference between
> "holocaust" and "Holocaust."

As my post illustrated, I understand you racist vermin perfectly.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:41:03 -0600
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs

Now that's funny.  You hide behind a pseudonym and call me a coward.

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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs

The tea baggers have nothing in common with the founders of this
country who fought for taxation with representation.

Bret Cahill


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Exactly!  Just because Rove was borrowing heavily from Goebbels and
Dumbya was trying to be like Hitler doesn't mean they were successful.

In fact, Dumbya failed at everything he tried, even being a fascist.

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:15:07 -0600
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs

Rant away.  Whether you capitalize holocaust when you try to enforce your
imagined copyright or not, you are not a victim.  And unless "Peter Principal" is
your name, you have no standing to call anyone a coward.

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On Nov 12, 10:47 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

> Exactly!  Just because Rove was borrowing heavily from Goebbels and
> Dumbya was trying to be like Hitler doesn't mean they were successful.

Goodwin's law confirmed again.

> In fact, Dumbya failed at everything he tried, even being a fascist.

Everything, including defeating democrats in elections?


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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:44:17 -0600
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs

Another troll hiding behind the anonymity of usenet demonstrates how many
attempted insults he can squeeze into a post.  I've read enough of your drivel.

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> Fart away, subliterate stupid asshole shit licking racist impotent little
> pricklet.

Hmm, I'm guessing from your language that's you're a liberal. Am I
right?

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On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:44:17 -0600, "r wiley" <rawi...@southslope.net>
wrote:

RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! I'm ever so sure no one will notice that you're a
subliterate impotent little racist pricklet if you just RUN AWAY!

But I'll give you this. You didn't repeat the same intensely STUPID actions
you've repeated multiple times before, each time expecting a different
outcome. Oh, no, not you. You found an entirely new - if every bit as stupid
and then some - action. RUN AWAY!

No matter what you do, no matter where you run, you'll always be a
subliterate bigoted impotent little pricklet. Congratulations!

Oh, BTW and FYI, you stupid motherfucker...

------
hol·o·caust  /'h?l??k?st, 'ho?l?-/ [hol-uh-kawst, hoh-luh-]

–noun 1. a great or complete devastation or destruction, esp. by fire.
2. a sacrifice completely consumed by fire; burnt offering.
3. (usually initial capital letter) the systematic mass slaughter of
European Jews in Nazi concentration camps during World War II (usually prec.
by the).
------

Questions, you stupid motherfucker? As you can see, you stupid motherfucker,
your insane boob.farts have absolutely no effect whatsoever on REALITY.

---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.


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From: Peter Principle <petesfe...@SNIPITgmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:19:47 -0600
Local: Tues, Nov 17 2009 7:19 am
Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
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On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:20:23 -0800 (PST), leonox1 <wsjames...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 13, 10:06 pm, Peter Principle <petesfe...@SNIPITgmail.com>
>wrote:
>> Fart away, subliterate stupid asshole shit licking racist impotent little
>> pricklet.

>Hmm, I'm guessing from your language that's you're a liberal. Am I
>right?

Hmmm, I don't have to guess. I can tell from the fact that you can't even
make it through so much as one very short sentence without a subliterate
boob.fart glaring error so fundamental as to embarrass the average 3rd
grader.

Well played! Bravo! Yooz a jen-yoo-whine jeen-yus, yooz izza! A reel master
o' strategery, tooo...

So, have you always been an imbecile or have you recently suffered a severe
closed head trauma? If the former, gosh, what a shock! If the latter, good
for you! Keep working hard!

Jaybus Freaking Crisco...

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Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.


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From: leonox1 <wsjames...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:10:32 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 17 2009 9:10 am
Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
On Nov 16, 9:19 pm, Peter Principle <petesfe...@SNIPITgmail.com>
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I'll take that as a "Yes, you were right".

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From: Peter Principle <petesfe...@SNIPITgmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:30:33 -0600
Local: Tues, Nov 17 2009 9:30 am
Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel slams tea partiers over Holocaust signs
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:10:32 -0800 (PST), leonox1 <wsjames...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I'll take that as your WATB subliterate stupid goober ass can't even ADDRESS
anything of the FACTS I've presented, much less refute any of them in any
way.

Or can you? Can you actually refute ANYTHING I've said or are you every bit
the ignorant subliterate stupid asshole you play here so well?

Well?

<tap, tap, tap>

Begin, luser...

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Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.


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