Honest question: when I first heard this report and some in the media were leaning toward the theory the shooter was a stressed out soldier due to multiple deployments, why was that little voice in my head saying this was an act perpetrated by a muslim?
Very sad story.
That little voice is also telling me that in the days to follow the excuse makers will begin to blame us..
Military officials were starting Friday to piece together what may have pushed an Army psychiatrist trained to help soldiers in distress to turn on his comrades in a shooting rampage that killed 13 people and wounded 31 in Texas.
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6:50 AM ET -- (AP) The suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was on a ventilator and unconscious in a hospital after being shot four times during the shootings at the Army's sprawling Fort Hood, post officials said. In the early chaos after the shootings, authorities believed they had killed him, only to discover later that he had survived.
In Washington, a senior U.S. official said authorities at Fort Hood initially thought one of the victims who had been shot and killed was the shooter. The mistake resulted in a delay of several hours in identifying Hasan as the alleged assailant.
Authorities have not ruled out that Hasan was acting on behalf of some unidentified radical group, the official said. He would not say whether any evidence had come to light to support that theory.
william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote: > Honest question: when I first heard this report and some in the media > were leaning toward the theory the shooter was a stressed out soldier > due to multiple deployments, why was that little voice in my head > saying this was an act perpetrated by a muslim?
If that's the first thing that popped into your head, maybe you should log off your computer for a while and go for a nice long walk.
Spartakus wrote: > william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Honest question: when I first heard this report and some in the media > > were leaning toward the theory the shooter was a stressed out soldier > > due to multiple deployments, why was that little voice in my head > > saying this was an act perpetrated by a muslim?
> If that's the first thing that popped into your head, maybe you should > log off your computer for a while and go for a nice long walk.
I think it's something other than what you suggest. Yes it is the first thing that popped in my head, and I walk every day.
What I believe: humans have a gut instinct on things that is a tool we can utilize because it is an evolved talent that we're supposed to refer to.
It goes back to our previous discussion about Turkey and the proposed Armenian genocide resolution. There are those who are stupid, and there are those who are "willfully stupid" (ignoring or blocking our gut instincts).
>Honest question: when I first heard this report and some in the media >were leaning toward the theory the shooter was a stressed out soldier >due to multiple deployments, why was that little voice in my head >saying this was an act perpetrated by a muslim?
Ray Fischer wrote: > william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Honest question: when I first heard this report and some in the media > >were leaning toward the theory the shooter was a stressed out soldier > >due to multiple deployments, why was that little voice in my head > >saying this was an act perpetrated by a muslim?
>Ray Fischer wrote: >> william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >Honest question: when I first heard this report and some in the media >> >were leaning toward the theory the shooter was a stressed out soldier >> >due to multiple deployments, why was that little voice in my head >> >saying this was an act perpetrated by a muslim?
>> Because you're a neonazi bigot.
>And Ray demonstrates how he is one of two things:
>1) Stupid >2) Willfully Stupid
Explain to us how you are different from anti-Semitic nazis.
Ray Fischer wrote: > william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Ray Fischer wrote: > >> william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Honest question: when I first heard this report and some in the media > >> >were leaning toward the theory the shooter was a stressed out soldier > >> >due to multiple deployments, why was that little voice in my head > >> >saying this was an act perpetrated by a muslim?
> >> Because you're a neonazi bigot.
> >And Ray demonstrates how he is one of two things:
> >1) Stupid > >2) Willfully Stupid
> Explain to us how you are different from anti-Semitic nazis.
After you tell us when you stopped beating your dog.
>Ray Fischer wrote: >> william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >Ray Fischer wrote: >> >> william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >Honest question: when I first heard this report and some in the media >> >> >were leaning toward the theory the shooter was a stressed out soldier >> >> >due to multiple deployments, why was that little voice in my head >> >> >saying this was an act perpetrated by a muslim?
>> >> Because you're a neonazi bigot.
>> >And Ray demonstrates how he is one of two things:
>> >1) Stupid >> >2) Willfully Stupid
>> Explain to us how you are different from anti-Semitic nazis.
Ray Fischer wrote: > william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Ray Fischer wrote: > >> william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >Ray Fischer wrote: > >> >> william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >Honest question: when I first heard this report and some in the media > >> >> >were leaning toward the theory the shooter was a stressed out soldier > >> >> >due to multiple deployments, why was that little voice in my head > >> >> >saying this was an act perpetrated by a muslim?
> >> >> Because you're a neonazi bigot.
> >> >And Ray demonstrates how he is one of two things:
> >> >1) Stupid > >> >2) Willfully Stupid
> >> Explain to us how you are different from anti-Semitic nazis.
> >After you tell
> That's what I figured.
Your question was stupid, you should have figured that before you posted it.
william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote: > Spartakus wrote: > > william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Honest question: when I first heard this report and some in the media > > > were leaning toward the theory the shooter was a stressed out soldier > > > due to multiple deployments, why was that little voice in my head > > > saying this was an act perpetrated by a muslim? > > If that's the first thing that popped into your head, maybe you should > > log off your computer for a while and go for a nice long walk. > I think it's something other than what you suggest. Yes it is the > first thing that popped in my head, and I walk every day.
Hmmm. The first thing that popped into my head was that some poor grunt went off the deep end from PTSD after one too many deployments.
It turns out that the alleged shooter is a psychiatrists who treated returning soldiers for PTSD. Who happened to be Muslim.
So while your gut reaction proved to be correct,
> What I believe: humans have a gut instinct on things that is a tool > we can utilize because it is an evolved talent that we're supposed to > refer to.
Supposed to? I dispute that. While your "gut instinct" regarding the shooter's religion proved to be correct, it is notoriously unreliable.
A lot of people at Fort Hood who were within the range of shooter are alive today, not because of "gut instinct", but because of training. The policewoman who disabled the shooter and the people who attended to the wounded were applying the training they had received, not relying on "gut instinct".
George W. Bush was a great one for relying on "gut instinct" and look at the mess he left behind.
I tend to trust those who do their homework over people who rely on "gut instinct".
> It goes back to our previous discussion about Turkey and the proposed > Armenian genocide resolution. There are those who are stupid, and > there are those who are "willfully stupid" (ignoring or blocking our > gut instincts).
And you have repeatedly demonstrated that you are in the "willfully stupid" category. :-)
>Ray Fischer wrote: >> william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >Ray Fischer wrote: >> >> william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >Ray Fischer wrote: >> >> >> william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >Honest question: when I first heard this report and some in the media >> >> >> >were leaning toward the theory the shooter was a stressed out soldier >> >> >> >due to multiple deployments, why was that little voice in my head >> >> >> >saying this was an act perpetrated by a muslim?
>> >> >> Because you're a neonazi bigot.
>> >> >And Ray demonstrates how he is one of two things:
>> >> >1) Stupid >> >> >2) Willfully Stupid
>> >> Explain to us how you are different from anti-Semitic nazis.
Spartakus wrote: > william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Spartakus wrote: > > > william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Honest question: when I first heard this report and some in the media > > > > were leaning toward the theory the shooter was a stressed out soldier > > > > due to multiple deployments, why was that little voice in my head > > > > saying this was an act perpetrated by a muslim?
> > > If that's the first thing that popped into your head, maybe you should > > > log off your computer for a while and go for a nice long walk.
> > I think it's something other than what you suggest. Yes it is the > > first thing that popped in my head, and I walk every day.
> Hmmm. The first thing that popped into my head was that some poor > grunt went off the deep end from PTSD after one too many deployments.
As a veteran, I don't think it's impossible, I feel it's not likely. This is the second terrorist attack from a muslim soldier.
> It turns out that the alleged shooter is a psychiatrists who treated > returning soldiers for PTSD. Who happened to be Muslim.
And never was deployed.
> So while your gut reaction proved to be correct,
> > What I believe: humans have a gut instinct on things that is a tool > > we can utilize because it is an evolved talent that we're supposed to > > refer to.
> Supposed to? I dispute that. While your "gut instinct" regarding the > shooter's religion proved to be correct, it is notoriously unreliable.
I disagree. Evolution has given a tool for us to use.
> A lot of people at Fort Hood who were within the range of shooter are > alive today, not because of "gut instinct", but because of training. > The policewoman who disabled the shooter and the people who attended > to the wounded were applying the training they had received, not > relying on "gut instinct".
Gut instinct comes about through training and repetition.
> George W. Bush was a great one for relying on "gut instinct" and look > at the mess he left behind.
You mean a democracy in the middle east?
> I tend to trust those who do their homework over people who rely on > "gut instinct".
> > It goes back to our previous discussion about Turkey and the proposed > > Armenian genocide resolution. There are those who are stupid, and > > there are those who are "willfully stupid" (ignoring or blocking our > > gut instincts).
> And you have repeatedly demonstrated that you are in the "willfully > stupid" category. :-)
Nope. Everyone who wants a clue, knows the motivation.
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