On Mar 16, 8:38 pm, "TruBlu" <tru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pro-Tibetan Independence groups, as well as the Dalai Lama himself > had accused China of killing 1.2 million Tibetans.
Chinese Communist Party propagandists, such as yourself, *continuously* try to use the number "1.2 million" to divert attention from the important issues. If the number of Tibetans killed was only 1 million - or even 100 thousand - would *that* justify all the murders of Tibetan monks and nuns? *No*. In no way whatsoever. Even the defense that you try to use as a smokescreen serves to condemn the CCP. The attention of the entire world is finally focused on the Chinese Communist Party's brutal occupation of Tibet. The half-truths that have passed as excuses for their actions so far won't help them now.
On Mar 17, 1:13 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 16, 8:38 pm, "TruBlu" <tru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Pro-Tibetan Independence groups, as well as the Dalai Lama himself > > had accused China of killing 1.2 million Tibetans.
> Chinese Communist Party propagandists, such as yourself, > *continuously* try to use the number "1.2 million" to divert attention > from the important issues.
Divert attention? Not at all. Calling a lie a lie is not diverting attention. It is focusing on the truth. Calling a liar a liar is not diverting attention. It is focusing on the truth.
The 1.2 million number was used by the DL and other free Tibet groups to demonize China. They claimed that China had killed 1.2 million Tibetans. And the killing of this number of Tibetans constitutes incontrovertible proof that there had been genocide in Tibet. And Tibet should be splitted away from China. In fact, there were no such killing in Tibet. There were no gencoide in Tibet. And another plank underneath the free Tibet movement disappears.
> If the number of Tibetans killed was only > 1 million - or even 100 thousand - would *that* justify all the > murders of Tibetan monks and nuns? *No*. In no way whatsoever. Even > the defense that you try to use as a smokescreen serves to condemn the > CCP. The attention of the entire world is finally focused on the > Chinese Communist Party's brutal occupation of Tibet. The half-truths > that have passed as excuses for their actions so far won't help them > now.
Will you agree that the DL is a liar like Bush? Respect the truth first. The rest can be discussed in due course.
> On Mar 17, 1:13 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 16, 8:38 pm, "TruBlu" <tru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Pro-Tibetan Independence groups, as well as the Dalai Lama himself > > > had accused China of killing 1.2 million Tibetans.
> > Chinese Communist Party propagandists, such as yourself, > > *continuously* try to use the number "1.2 million" to divert attention > > from the important issues.
> Divert attention? Not at all. Calling a lie a lie is not diverting > attention. > It is focusing on the truth. Calling a liar a liar is not diverting > attention. > It is focusing on the truth.
> The 1.2 million number was used by the DL and other free Tibet groups > to demonize China. They claimed that China had killed 1.2 million > Tibetans. And the killing of this number of Tibetans constitutes > incontrovertible proof that there had been genocide in Tibet. And > Tibet should be splitted away from China. In fact, there were no such > killing in Tibet. There were no gencoide in Tibet. And another plank > underneath the free Tibet movement disappears.
> > If the number of Tibetans killed was only > > 1 million - or even 100 thousand - would *that* justify all the > > murders of Tibetan monks and nuns? *No*. In no way whatsoever. Even > > the defense that you try to use as a smokescreen serves to condemn the > > CCP. The attention of the entire world is finally focused on the > > Chinese Communist Party's brutal occupation of Tibet. The half-truths > > that have passed as excuses for their actions so far won't help them > > now.
> Will you agree that the DL is a liar like Bush? > Respect the truth first. The rest can be discussed in due course.
I believe that HH the Dalai Lama believes the numbers he has received to be accurate. I do not have enough information to judge either way, any more than you do do. What I do know is that the *essential* issue is that many, many, many innocent Tibetan monks and nuns were *murdered* by the "People's Liberation Army". And I also know that shameless liars and propagandists in the service of the CCP, such as yourself, will try to use any dispute over exact numbers to gloss over this fact.
> On Mar 17, 4:16 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 1:13 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 16, 8:38 pm, "TruBlu" <tru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Pro-Tibetan Independence groups, as well as the Dalai Lama himself > > > > had accused China of killing 1.2 million Tibetans.
> > > Chinese Communist Party propagandists, such as yourself, > > > *continuously* try to use the number "1.2 million" to divert attention > > > from the important issues.
> > Divert attention? Not at all. Calling a lie a lie is not diverting > > attention. > > It is focusing on the truth. Calling a liar a liar is not diverting > > attention. > > It is focusing on the truth.
> > The 1.2 million number was used by the DL and other free Tibet groups > > to demonize China. They claimed that China had killed 1.2 million > > Tibetans. And the killing of this number of Tibetans constitutes > > incontrovertible proof that there had been genocide in Tibet. And > > Tibet should be splitted away from China. In fact, there were no such > > killing in Tibet. There were no gencoide in Tibet. And another plank > > underneath the free Tibet movement disappears.
> > > If the number of Tibetans killed was only > > > 1 million - or even 100 thousand - would *that* justify all the > > > murders of Tibetan monks and nuns? *No*. In no way whatsoever. Even > > > the defense that you try to use as a smokescreen serves to condemn the > > > CCP. The attention of the entire world is finally focused on the > > > Chinese Communist Party's brutal occupation of Tibet. The half-truths > > > that have passed as excuses for their actions so far won't help them > > > now.
> > Will you agree that the DL is a liar like Bush? > > Respect the truth first. The rest can be discussed in due course.
> I believe that HH the Dalai Lama believes the numbers he has received > to be accurate. I do not have enough information to judge either way, > any more than you do do. What I do know is that the *essential* issue > is that many, many, many innocent Tibetan monks and nuns were > *murdered* by the "People's Liberation Army". And I also know that > shameless liars and propagandists in the service of the CCP, such as > yourself, will try to use any dispute over exact numbers to gloss over > this fact.
Excellent!!! We used to say during the Korean War about the Chinese "human wave" tactics:
The more we kill today, the less we have to kill tomorrow.
> On Mar 17, 4:16 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 1:13 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 16, 8:38 pm, "TruBlu" <tru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Pro-Tibetan Independence groups, as well as the Dalai Lama himself > > > > had accused China of killing 1.2 million Tibetans.
> > > Chinese Communist Party propagandists, such as yourself, > > > *continuously* try to use the number "1.2 million" to divert attention > > > from the important issues.
> > Divert attention? Not at all. Calling a lie a lie is not diverting > > attention. > > It is focusing on the truth. Calling a liar a liar is not diverting > > attention. > > It is focusing on the truth.
> > The 1.2 million number was used by the DL and other free Tibet groups > > to demonize China. They claimed that China had killed 1.2 million > > Tibetans. And the killing of this number of Tibetans constitutes > > incontrovertible proof that there had been genocide in Tibet. And > > Tibet should be splitted away from China. In fact, there were no such > > killing in Tibet. There were no gencoide in Tibet. And another plank > > underneath the free Tibet movement disappears.
> > > If the number of Tibetans killed was only > > > 1 million - or even 100 thousand - would *that* justify all the > > > murders of Tibetan monks and nuns? *No*. In no way whatsoever. Even > > > the defense that you try to use as a smokescreen serves to condemn the > > > CCP. The attention of the entire world is finally focused on the > > > Chinese Communist Party's brutal occupation of Tibet. The half-truths > > > that have passed as excuses for their actions so far won't help them > > > now.
> > Will you agree that the DL is a liar like Bush? > > Respect the truth first. The rest can be discussed in due course.
> I believe that HH the Dalai Lama believes the numbers he has received > to be accurate. I do not have enough information to judge either way, > any more than you do do. What I do know is that the *essential* issue > is that many, many, many innocent Tibetan monks and nuns were > *murdered* by the "People's Liberation Army". And I also know that > shameless liars and propagandists in the service of the CCP, such as > yourself, will try to use any dispute over exact numbers to gloss over > this fact.
Yes. LT Lee is all about diversion. He will focus on one thing to avoid discussion of the bigger picture. Not at all credible but what's credibility to an apologist?
<markdeme...@hotmail.com> wrote: > monks are non productive people. they prey on the ignorants' > superstition to avoid working for a living. they should all be > eliminated!
dr ira, you do make sense on this one. Congratulations!!!
> On Mar 17, 4:16 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 1:13 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 16, 8:38 pm, "TruBlu" <tru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Pro-Tibetan Independence groups, as well as the Dalai Lama himself > > > > had accused China of killing 1.2 million Tibetans.
> > > Chinese Communist Party propagandists, such as yourself, > > > *continuously* try to use the number "1.2 million" to divert attention > > > from the important issues.
> > Divert attention? Not at all. Calling a lie a lie is not diverting > > attention. > > It is focusing on the truth. Calling a liar a liar is not diverting > > attention. > > It is focusing on the truth.
> > The 1.2 million number was used by the DL and other free Tibet groups > > to demonize China. They claimed that China had killed 1.2 million > > Tibetans. And the killing of this number of Tibetans constitutes > > incontrovertible proof that there had been genocide in Tibet. And > > Tibet should be splitted away from China. In fact, there were no such > > killing in Tibet. There were no gencoide in Tibet. And another plank > > underneath the free Tibet movement disappears.
> > > If the number of Tibetans killed was only > > > 1 million - or even 100 thousand - would *that* justify all the > > > murders of Tibetan monks and nuns? *No*. In no way whatsoever. Even > > > the defense that you try to use as a smokescreen serves to condemn the > > > CCP. The attention of the entire world is finally focused on the > > > Chinese Communist Party's brutal occupation of Tibet. The half-truths > > > that have passed as excuses for their actions so far won't help them > > > now.
> > Will you agree that the DL is a liar like Bush? > > Respect the truth first. The rest can be discussed in due course.
> I believe that HH the Dalai Lama believes the numbers he has received > to be accurate.
Irrelevant. Bush and Cheney believing the WMD story do not make them less liaars.
> I do not have enough information to judge either way, > any more than you do do.
Of course, neither you nor I really know. This is also I had quoted Patrick French who had examined the relevant documents carefully. If you want to dispute him because you know something he had missed and his concludion is wrong, please go ahead. As is, the so called governemnt- in exile had fabricated the genocide story based on trumhed up statistics. The DL as welll as other free tibet supprters had repeated the lies.
> What I do know is that the *essential* issue > is that many, many, many innocent Tibetan monks and nuns were > *murdered* by the "People's Liberation Army". And I also know that > shameless liars and propagandists in the service of the CCP, such as > yourself, will try to use any dispute over exact numbers to gloss over > this fact.- Hide quoted text -
> On Mar 17, 11:04 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 4:16 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 17, 1:13 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 16, 8:38 pm, "TruBlu" <tru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Pro-Tibetan Independence groups, as well as the Dalai Lama himself > > > > > had accused China of killing 1.2 million Tibetans.
> > > > Chinese Communist Party propagandists, such as yourself, > > > > *continuously* try to use the number "1.2 million" to divert attention > > > > from the important issues.
> > > Divert attention? Not at all. Calling a lie a lie is not diverting > > > attention. > > > It is focusing on the truth. Calling a liar a liar is not diverting > > > attention. > > > It is focusing on the truth.
> > > The 1.2 million number was used by the DL and other free Tibet groups > > > to demonize China. They claimed that China had killed 1.2 million > > > Tibetans. And the killing of this number of Tibetans constitutes > > > incontrovertible proof that there had been genocide in Tibet. And > > > Tibet should be splitted away from China. In fact, there were no such > > > killing in Tibet. There were no gencoide in Tibet. And another plank > > > underneath the free Tibet movement disappears.
> > > > If the number of Tibetans killed was only > > > > 1 million - or even 100 thousand - would *that* justify all the > > > > murders of Tibetan monks and nuns? *No*. In no way whatsoever. Even > > > > the defense that you try to use as a smokescreen serves to condemn the > > > > CCP. The attention of the entire world is finally focused on the > > > > Chinese Communist Party's brutal occupation of Tibet. The half-truths > > > > that have passed as excuses for their actions so far won't help them > > > > now.
> > > Will you agree that the DL is a liar like Bush? > > > Respect the truth first. The rest can be discussed in due course.
> > I believe that HH the Dalai Lama believes the numbers he has received > > to be accurate.
> Irrelevant. Bush and Cheney believing the WMD story do not make them > less liaars.
> > I do not have enough information to judge either way, > > any more than you do do.
> Of course, neither you nor I really know. This is also I had quoted > Patrick > French who had examined the relevant documents carefully. If you want > to dispute him because you know something he had missed and his > concludion is wrong, please go ahead. As is, the so called governemnt- > in > exile had fabricated the genocide story based on trumhed up > statistics. > The DL as welll as other free tibet supprters had repeated the lies.
> > What I do know is that the *essential* issue > > is that many, many, many innocent Tibetan monks and nuns were > > *murdered* by the "People's Liberation Army". And I also know that > > shameless liars and propagandists in the service of the CCP, such as > > yourself, will try to use any dispute over exact numbers to gloss over > > this fact.- Hide quoted text -
> On Mar 17, 7:25 pm, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 11:04 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 17, 4:16 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 17, 1:13 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 16, 8:38 pm, "TruBlu" <tru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Pro-Tibetan Independence groups, as well as the Dalai Lama himself > > > > > > had accused China of killing 1.2 million Tibetans.
> > > > > Chinese Communist Party propagandists, such as yourself, > > > > > *continuously* try to use the number "1.2 million" to divert attention > > > > > from the important issues.
> > > > Divert attention? Not at all. Calling a lie a lie is not diverting > > > > attention. > > > > It is focusing on the truth. Calling a liar a liar is not diverting > > > > attention. > > > > It is focusing on the truth.
> > > > The 1.2 million number was used by the DL and other free Tibet groups > > > > to demonize China. They claimed that China had killed 1.2 million > > > > Tibetans. And the killing of this number of Tibetans constitutes > > > > incontrovertible proof that there had been genocide in Tibet. And > > > > Tibet should be splitted away from China. In fact, there were no such > > > > killing in Tibet. There were no gencoide in Tibet. And another plank > > > > underneath the free Tibet movement disappears.
> > > > > If the number of Tibetans killed was only > > > > > 1 million - or even 100 thousand - would *that* justify all the > > > > > murders of Tibetan monks and nuns? *No*. In no way whatsoever. Even > > > > > the defense that you try to use as a smokescreen serves to condemn the > > > > > CCP. The attention of the entire world is finally focused on the > > > > > Chinese Communist Party's brutal occupation of Tibet. The half-truths > > > > > that have passed as excuses for their actions so far won't help them > > > > > now.
> > > > Will you agree that the DL is a liar like Bush? > > > > Respect the truth first. The rest can be discussed in due course.
> > > I believe that HH the Dalai Lama believes the numbers he has received > > > to be accurate.
> > Irrelevant. Bush and Cheney believing the WMD story do not make them > > less liaars.
> > > I do not have enough information to judge either way, > > > any more than you do do.
> > Of course, neither you nor I really know. This is also I had quoted > > Patrick > > French who had examined the relevant documents carefully. If you want > > to dispute him because you know something he had missed and his > > concludion is wrong, please go ahead. As is, the so called governemnt- > > in > > exile had fabricated the genocide story based on trumhed up > > statistics. > > The DL as welll as other free tibet supprters had repeated the lies.
> > > What I do know is that the *essential* issue > > > is that many, many, many innocent Tibetan monks and nuns were > > > *murdered* by the "People's Liberation Army". And I also know that > > > shameless liars and propagandists in the service of the CCP, such as > > > yourself, will try to use any dispute over exact numbers to gloss over > > > this fact.- Hide quoted text -
> On Mar 17, 11:04 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 4:16 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 17, 1:13 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 16, 8:38 pm, "TruBlu" <tru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Pro-Tibetan Independence groups, as well as the Dalai Lama himself > > > > > had accused China of killing 1.2 million Tibetans.
> > > > Chinese Communist Party propagandists, such as yourself, > > > > *continuously* try to use the number "1.2 million" to divert attention > > > > from the important issues.
> > > Divert attention? Not at all. Calling a lie a lie is not diverting > > > attention. > > > It is focusing on the truth. Calling a liar a liar is not diverting > > > attention. > > > It is focusing on the truth.
> > > The 1.2 million number was used by the DL and other free Tibet groups > > > to demonize China. They claimed that China had killed 1.2 million > > > Tibetans. And the killing of this number of Tibetans constitutes > > > incontrovertible proof that there had been genocide in Tibet. And > > > Tibet should be splitted away from China. In fact, there were no such > > > killing in Tibet. There were no gencoide in Tibet. And another plank > > > underneath the free Tibet movement disappears.
> > > > If the number of Tibetans killed was only > > > > 1 million - or even 100 thousand - would *that* justify all the > > > > murders of Tibetan monks and nuns? *No*. In no way whatsoever. Even > > > > the defense that you try to use as a smokescreen serves to condemn the > > > > CCP. The attention of the entire world is finally focused on the > > > > Chinese Communist Party's brutal occupation of Tibet. The half-truths > > > > that have passed as excuses for their actions so far won't help them > > > > now.
> > > Will you agree that the DL is a liar like Bush? > > > Respect the truth first. The rest can be discussed in due course.
> > I believe that HH the Dalai Lama believes the numbers he has received > > to be accurate.
> Irrelevant. Bush and Cheney believing the WMD story do not make them > less liaars.
That's supremely stupid, LT. If someone believes something to be true, and says that it is true, but it turns out to be false, then they are not liars. It's so fucking obvious but as usual you are trying to confuse the issue.
> > I do not have enough information to judge either way, > > any more than you do do.
> Of course, neither you nor I really know. This is also I had quoted > Patrick > French who had examined the relevant documents carefully. If you want > to dispute him because you know something he had missed and his > concludion is wrong, please go ahead. As is, the so called governemnt- > in > exile had fabricated the genocide story based on trumhed up > statistics. > The DL as welll as other free tibet supprters had repeated the lies.
> > What I do know is that the *essential* issue > > is that many, many, many innocent Tibetan monks and nuns were > > *murdered* by the "People's Liberation Army". And I also know that > > shameless liars and propagandists in the service of the CCP, such as > > yourself, will try to use any dispute over exact numbers to gloss over > > this fact.- Hide quoted text -
> On Mar 17, 12:25 pm, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 11:04 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 17, 4:16 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 17, 1:13 am, mongoose <mongoose...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 16, 8:38 pm, "TruBlu" <tru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Pro-Tibetan Independence groups, as well as the Dalai Lama himself > > > > > > had accused China of killing 1.2 million Tibetans.
> > > > > Chinese Communist Party propagandists, such as yourself, > > > > > *continuously* try to use the number "1.2 million" to divert attention > > > > > from the important issues.
> > > > Divert attention? Not at all. Calling a lie a lie is not diverting > > > > attention. > > > > It is focusing on the truth. Calling a liar a liar is not diverting > > > > attention. > > > > It is focusing on the truth.
> > > > The 1.2 million number was used by the DL and other free Tibet groups > > > > to demonize China. They claimed that China had killed 1.2 million > > > > Tibetans. And the killing of this number of Tibetans constitutes > > > > incontrovertible proof that there had been genocide in Tibet. And > > > > Tibet should be splitted away from China. In fact, there were no such > > > > killing in Tibet. There were no gencoide in Tibet. And another plank > > > > underneath the free Tibet movement disappears.
> > > > > If the number of Tibetans killed was only > > > > > 1 million - or even 100 thousand - would *that* justify all the > > > > > murders of Tibetan monks and nuns? *No*. In no way whatsoever. Even > > > > > the defense that you try to use as a smokescreen serves to condemn the > > > > > CCP. The attention of the entire world is finally focused on the > > > > > Chinese Communist Party's brutal occupation of Tibet. The half-truths > > > > > that have passed as excuses for their actions so far won't help them > > > > > now.
> > > > Will you agree that the DL is a liar like Bush? > > > > Respect the truth first. The rest can be discussed in due course.
> > > I believe that HH the Dalai Lama believes the numbers he has received > > > to be accurate.
> > Irrelevant. Bush and Cheney believing the WMD story do not make them > > less liaars.
> That's supremely stupid, LT. If someone believes something to be true, > and says that it is true, but it turns out to be false, then they are > not liars. It's so fucking obvious but as usual you are trying to > confuse the issue.
> > > I do not have enough information to judge either way, > > > any more than you do do.
> > Of course, neither you nor I really know. This is also I had quoted > > Patrick > > French who had examined the relevant documents carefully. If you want > > to dispute him because you know something he had missed and his > > concludion is wrong, please go ahead. As is, the so called governemnt- > > in > > exile had fabricated the genocide story based on trumhed up > > statistics. > > The DL as welll as other free tibet supprters had repeated the lies.
> > > What I do know is that the *essential* issue > > > is that many, many, many innocent Tibetan monks and nuns were > > > *murdered* by the "People's Liberation Army". And I also know that > > > shameless liars and propagandists in the service of the CCP, such as > > > yourself, will try to use any dispute over exact numbers to gloss over > > > this fact.- Hide quoted text -
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