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From: Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:32:04 -0500
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 10:32 pm
Subject: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York
So to recap. The GOP won resoundingly where

1) A Dem governor clearly stated that he was not an Obama supporter
and that he would opt out of a public health care option.

2) A Dem governor's riches failed to offset his incompetence.

Furthermore, none of the young Obama voters turned out for these two
races and nor did a number of Dems who might otherwise have if these
two were more on message and competent.

The GOP lost in a straight head to head fight with the Dems in an
ANCIENT GOP seat because the GOP tore itself to pieces in an internal
civil war.

Sounds to me like the GOP is in for some very bad news next year as
they will be losing seats to both the Dems and the Conservative Party.

--

}(:

It is clear that the "Birthers", "Teabaggers", politicians and media
hosts or pundits that purvey messages of resistance, insurrection and
don't want their kids to go to school to hear the words of the POTUS
have become the dupes and stooges of foreign intelligence services
that wish to see the US destabilized by a bunch of fools - they must
be laughing their heads off at these wingnuts who are so ready to be
their pawns...

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From: GLOBALIST <free.tun...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:03:48 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 12:03 am
Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York
Thank you for posting this...it certainly puts last night into
perspective.
I heard a dozen news commenters say yesterday, that tomorrow pundits
are going to make this something about Pres Obama and local politics
has nothing to do with federal politics.
    I am a "city voter' as opposed to some of the county townships
around me.  The county voted against smoking in public...earth shaking
huh?  Guess what?...on our ballot ..we had one name....one Democrat
with no opponent.
I did my civic duty and laughed.  One check mark..tah dah..that really
changed the whole nation, huh?

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:19:01 -0500
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

"Wikking" <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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NY23 Republicans lost, Conservatives won to some extent. If the GOP had
supported Mr Hoffman, he would have won, But, the Republican party spent
almost 100,000 running ads against Mr Hoffman. It was the good ole boys that
picked the wrong candidate for the Republican party, it's on their
heads..The Republican party will pick up seats, if they pick the
conservatives. The tide has turned since we formed into a one party system.
If the Republicans are going to behave as Democrats, they might as well be
Democrats. Now, we are making a change we can believe in, we will not
tolerate a democrat in Republican clothing, example Dede..
This is beyond you, as you are on the other side, so your brain has limited
capacity for understanding the workings of the
GOP

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From: Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:27:41 -0500
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

Isn't going to happen though since you conservatives are now the party
of dumb and dumber. Religious bigots, hypocrits, neocons and others
that brought the US to its knees. The intellectuals have fled you and
now all you have left is each other and Fox news.

 The tide has turned since we formed into a one party system.

What one party system? The one Tom Delay wanted with everything
gerrymandered to make a permanent GOP majority? That one party state?
The people got sick of you and kicked you out on our ear last year.
The conservative party and GOP are now like two drunks thrown out of a
bar who are having a commotion in the street as to whose fault it was
that they got kicked out.

--

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hosts or pundits that purvey messages of resistance, insurrection and
don't want their kids to go to school to hear the words of the POTUS
have become the dupes and stooges of foreign intelligence services
that wish to see the US destabilized by a bunch of fools - they must
be laughing their heads off at these wingnuts who are so ready to be
their pawns...

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Discussion subject changed to "How Christie won (NorthJersey.com)" by .... tHe_PC_pEtroLeUm_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!!
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:31:43 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: How Christie won (NorthJersey.com)
How Christie won (NorthJersey.com)
http://www.northjersey.com/news/How_Christie_won.html
It took six months of campaigning before Chris Christie believed he
could actually win the race for governor.
One late July morning — in the days after the FBI arrested 44 people
in a record-setting corruption sting — the former federal prosecutor
turned to his wife, Mary Pat, and suggested they prepare for the new
life that would come with victory.
"She looked and stared, like, ‘really?’" Christie recalled. "Then she
said, ‘You know, I think you’re right.’"
In the next few months, the Republican’s double-digit lead in the
polls gave way to a neck-and-neck race against the wealthy Democratic
incumbent Jon Corzine. The campaign deteriorated into a name-calling
brawl over ethics, issues and Christie’s weight — and an upstart
independent, Chris Daggett, proclaimed that he, not Christie, was the
true agent of change.
But Christie survived, becoming the first Republican to win a
statewide election in a dozen years.
"There was always a confidence that this could happen," said Sen. Joe
Kyrillos (R-Monmouth), Christie’s campaign chairman. "There was
perhaps a euphoria in the summertime. But we always cautioned
ourselves that the numbers would get close."
More than 20 key players interviewed in both campaigns said regardless
of Corzine’s wealth and a strong Democratic endgame strategy, Christie
was always favored to win a race defined by a weak economy, high
property taxes and troubling unemployment.
"People are disgruntled and angry," said Sen. Loretta Weinberg (D-
Bergen), Corzine’s running mate. "When people get angry and hostile,
the attitude is, ‘Throw the bums out, whoever they are.’"
Christie was also helped by Corzine’s inability to connect with
average voters. In fact, after the summer corruption bust, Democrats
considered replacing the governor on the ticket — a move they
abandoned when an internal poll showed Newark Mayor Cory Booker
wouldn’t fare any better, top Democrats said. Some party leaders even
considered abandoning Corzine for Christie.
From the day he entered the race, Christie, surrounded by a small,
tight-knit group of advisers, ran a cautious, methodical campaign
intensely focused on the final days.
He was determined to save money, then spend big on TV advertising in
the end. And he refused to fall prey to Corzine’s efforts to force him
to offer detailed specifics on budget and tax plans that could be
turned against him.
Christie also surprised Democrats by running a disciplined, organized
race instead of reacting recklessly as they thought he would in the
face of an advertising onslaught that accused him of being a back-
slapping bully who liked handing out public contracts to cronies.
"He stuck to his strategy," Democratic state Chairman Joe Cryan said.
Uneasy and unpopular, Corzine last winter asked GOP political
consultant Carl Golden, who’d helped put Tom Kean and Christie Whitman
in the governor’s mansion, for advice on how to appeal to voters. By
the time the FBI did its early-morning roundup of politicians and
rabbis on July 23, it seemed to many — including Corzine allies — that
Christie was destined to win.
"The Jon Corzine we all know as governor is clearly a different
individual than when he first introduced himself as a candidate for
Senate," said former Sen. Robert Torricelli, a Democrat who advised
Corzine and is a friend of Christie’s. "He has been disgusted by the
conduct of some people in the political process ... That has caused
both a problem in government and a political problem."
It got so bad, White House and New Jersey Democratic operatives
revived — briefly — the idea Corzine could be replaced with a
candidate such as Booker or Senate President Richard Codey. After a
series of August meetings with top operatives, the Corzine team
decided to speed up its planned attacks on Christie.
Just days later, Corzine got a well-timed gift when Congress released
testimony from Karl Rove, the GOP strategist and aide to former
President George W. Bush, showing he and Christie had spoken about
Christie’s political plans and that the Republican was viewed as
"loyal" to the unpopular Bush.
Next came the Democratic onslaught. Material dug up by the Corzine
camp began to be revealed, including an unreported loan Christie had
made to a subordinate and a poor driving history. Taken individually,
the revelations might not have amounted to much. But together, they
were enough to take the shine off Christie’s image as ethics-minded
lawman.
"It is amazing to me that the guy who entered the race as the state’s
crime-fighter and one of the nation’s top crime-fighters has suddenly
been redefined as a guy who’s not entirely honest," political analyst
Stuart Rothenberg said.
But while Christie’s poll ratings suffered, disappointed Democrats
said their attacks didn’t deliver a knockout blow.
"They did the best they could when those things happened," said one
Democrat. "Each time, they took a weeklong story and cut it off fast."
Christie also survived Daggett — a Republican-turned-independent who
won the first debate, had a specific property tax plan and was
grabbing support from him among voters seeking change.
In the end, Christie won the two-front war. He attacked Daggett as a
tax-and-spend Corzine clone, and carefully courted conservative
Republicans. He got back on his game as Corzine took hits on his
investments and donations. And he gained sympathy when a Corzine ad
implied he was too fat.
"Was it the most perfect campaign?" Kyrillos said. "I don’t know. The
analysts will figure that out."
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Discussion subject changed to "GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York" by Dave Heil
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From: Dave Heil <k...@frontiernet.net>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:07:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

Here we have more confirmation that irrelevant foreigners have no grasp
of American politics.  This has been a wonderful news day.

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From: Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:28:21 -0500
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

Only if you're Dem or in the Conservative Party.

--

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It is clear that the "Birthers", "Teabaggers", politicians and media
hosts or pundits that purvey messages of resistance, insurrection and
don't want their kids to go to school to hear the words of the POTUS
have become the dupes and stooges of foreign intelligence services
that wish to see the US destabilized by a bunch of fools - they must
be laughing their heads off at these wingnuts who are so ready to be
their pawns...

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From: Dave Heil <k...@frontiernet.net>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:06:47 -0500
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

As an irrelevant foreigner, your ignorance may be excused.  The
Democrats are attempting to put on a game face.  There is no
Conservative Party.  The party which did quite well was the Republican
Party with help from independent voters.

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From: Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:04:27 -0500
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

So they called themselves the Conservative Party because they didn't
know about the GOP? Do they all have Alzheimers?

--

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It is clear that the "Birthers", "Teabaggers", politicians and media
hosts or pundits that purvey messages of resistance, insurrection and
don't want their kids to go to school to hear the words of the POTUS
have become the dupes and stooges of foreign intelligence services
that wish to see the US destabilized by a bunch of fools - they must
be laughing their heads off at these wingnuts who are so ready to be
their pawns...

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:10:05 -0500
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

"GLOBALIST" <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Thank you for posting this...it certainly puts last night into
> perspective.
> I heard a dozen news commenters say yesterday, that tomorrow pundits
> are going to make this something about Pres Obama and local politics
> has nothing to do with federal politics.
>    I am a "city voter' as opposed to some of the county townships
> around me.  The county voted against smoking in public...earth shaking
> huh?  Guess what?...on our ballot ..we had one name....one Democrat
> with no opponent.
> I did my civic duty and laughed.  One check mark..tah dah..that really
> changed the whole nation, huh?

-----
Nancy was thrilled to think she has another sucker, said this is a step
closer to Healthcare bill being passed! Guess she didn't know Owen said he
wouldn't vote for it.  Conservatives didn't lose in NY, no way, no how!

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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

"sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote in message

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.
.
Did you see the stiff Rush and Sarah put up in that race?
A box of rocks would have done as well!

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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

"Wikking" <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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too wordy, you flunk

==And, what are you so proud of, didn't take long for the independents to
scurry off of the Obama 's "Hope we can believe in, train.  tee hee.
sore looser, that you are.  Obama has lost his glitter, how many trips did
he make to NJ,?  tee hee  People said, fool me once shame on you, Obama,
fool me twice, shame be on me!    It really doesn't matter than much, whom
holds the office, the citizens do not  matter, that much. It's the big
companies,  the special interest,  that really runs this country.  I was
told that long ago and couldn't believe it, I believe it now.


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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:19:33 +0000
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

You're confused. Have a nap.

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:43:37 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York
On Nov 4, 2:19 pm, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:

"This is beyond you, as you are on the other side, so your brain has
limited
capacity for understanding the workings of the
GOP. " -  member of an elite corps of homintern/pc repubs.

what bullsh*t that is.
you think nobody knows what you do?
"consoivatives" can't open their mouths w/o giving away their
preference.
why don't you all just get big "H" 's tattooed on yer foreheads.


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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York
On Nov 4, 6:06 pm, Dave Heil <k...@frontiernet.net> wrote:

talk it up, talk it up.

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:51:31 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York
On Nov 5, 2:19 am, Dave Heil <k...@frontiernet.net> wrote:

"You're confused. Have a nap." the expert.

yeh, the consoivatives took yet another hit.
you don't think they want to take the rep. party down with them in a
blaze of hitler-glory?


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From: Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:18:49 -0500
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

You're right, they beat the GOP that's for sure!
;)

--

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It is clear that the "Birthers", "Teabaggers", politicians and media
hosts or pundits that purvey messages of resistance, insurrection and
don't want their kids to go to school to hear the words of the POTUS
have become the dupes and stooges of foreign intelligence services
that wish to see the US destabilized by a bunch of fools - they must
be laughing their heads off at these wingnuts who are so ready to be
their pawns...

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From: Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:20:31 -0500
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 5:20 pm
Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

ALL the polls say that Obama had NOTHING to do with ANY of the local
elections. in VA, NJ and NY.

--

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It is clear that the "Birthers", "Teabaggers", politicians and media
hosts or pundits that purvey messages of resistance, insurrection and
don't want their kids to go to school to hear the words of the POTUS
have become the dupes and stooges of foreign intelligence services
that wish to see the US destabilized by a bunch of fools - they must
be laughing their heads off at these wingnuts who are so ready to be
their pawns...

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From: Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:21:19 -0500
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

So which party will YOU vote for next year, GOP or Conservative?

--

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It is clear that the "Birthers", "Teabaggers", politicians and media
hosts or pundits that purvey messages of resistance, insurrection and
don't want their kids to go to school to hear the words of the POTUS
have become the dupes and stooges of foreign intelligence services
that wish to see the US destabilized by a bunch of fools - they must
be laughing their heads off at these wingnuts who are so ready to be
their pawns...

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From: "Bob" <n...@email.address>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:36:31 -0600
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York
"Sid9" <s...@belsouth.net> wrote in message

news:hctn6i$onh$1@news.eternal-september.org...

Apparently you prefer fluff over substance.

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From: Dave Heil <k...@frontiernet.net>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:31:06 -0500
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

Here in America, we have a two-party system involving the Democrats and
Republicans.  There are numerous sliver parties.  You may not vote for
any of them.

As to who I vote for, who is asking?


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From: Watch Dog <jcbepst...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:53:25 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York
On 4 nov, 21:19, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:

> NY23 Republicans lost, Conservatives won to some extent.

Conspicuous Self-Consumption

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From: Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:05:14 -0500
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Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

LOL you can't even show the courage of your convictions to make a
stand on whether you will vote for the GOP or Conservative Party?

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It is clear that the "Birthers", "Teabaggers", politicians and media
hosts or pundits that purvey messages of resistance, insurrection and
don't want their kids to go to school to hear the words of the POTUS
have become the dupes and stooges of foreign intelligence services
that wish to see the US destabilized by a bunch of fools - they must
be laughing their heads off at these wingnuts who are so ready to be
their pawns...

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From: Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:06:01 -0500
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

Watch Dog wrote:
> On 4 nov, 21:19, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:

>> NY23 Republicans lost, Conservatives won to some extent.

> Conspicuous Self-Consumption

Have the GOP morphed into Cannibalism?

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}(:

It is clear that the "Birthers", "Teabaggers", politicians and media
hosts or pundits that purvey messages of resistance, insurrection and
don't want their kids to go to school to hear the words of the POTUS
have become the dupes and stooges of foreign intelligence services
that wish to see the US destabilized by a bunch of fools - they must
be laughing their heads off at these wingnuts who are so ready to be
their pawns...

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From: Dave Heil <k...@frontiernet.net>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:47:13 +0000
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 9:47 pm
Subject: Re: GOP Tears Itself Apart in New York

...and your name is what?

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