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Julie (English only!)  
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 More options Nov 4, 11:46 pm
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: "Julie (English only!)" <jjs...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:46:47 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 11:46 pm
Subject: There are 150 Vietnamese Catholic Priests in Viet Nam who are Sex Abusers according to Vatican Ambassador to United Nations Human Rights Council
Vatican Defense: 'Only 5%' of Clergy Sex Abusers and Most of Those Are
Gays.

By John Tomasic 10/1/09 5:04 PM
The Colorado Independent News

Wednesday in Geneva, Vatican representative to the United Nations
Archbishop Silvano Tomasi defended the Church against accusations of
irresponsibility in the face of child sexual abuse. But in his
passionate defense, Tomasi alarmed observers by reading an official
statement that claimed up to 5 percent of the Catholic clergy
worldwide had been linked to sexual abuse and that this was primarily
the result of homosexual attraction not pedophilia.

“Available research,” he said, showed that “only 1.5 percent to 5
percent” of Catholic clergy were involved in abuse and that it would
“be more correct” to speak of ephebophilia, a homosexual attraction to
adolescent males, rather than pedophilia as the cause.

“Of all priests involved in the abuses, 80 to 90 percent belong to
this sexual orientation minority, which is sexually engaged with
adolescent boys between the ages of 11 and 17.”

It’s unclear what “available research” the Vatican was citing. Outside
the Church, it has been suggested that girls are more often the victim
of abuse than boys, at a ratio of roughly 4 to 1. Why that ratio would
be reverse and lopsided in the Church is difficult to figure.

There are roughly 550,000 Catholic priests, deacons, brothers serving
the Church around the world. Tomasi’s 5 percent would put the number
of clergy linked to abuse at roughly 27,500.

The British Guardian reports that the Vatican defense came after a
representative of the International Humanist and Ethical Union, Keith
Porteous Wood, accused the Church of covering up child abuse and being
in breach of several articles of the Convention on the Rights of the
Child.

    Porteous Wood said the Holy See had not contradicted any of his
accusations.

    “The many thousands of victims of abuse deserve the international
community to hold the Vatican to account, something it has been
unwilling to do, so far. Both states and children’s organisations must
unite to pressurise the Vatican to open its files, change its
procedures worldwide, and report suspected abusers to civil
authorities.

    The IHEU criticised the Holy See over its role in covering up the
scale of child abuse by its priests and religious orders, and for
failing to honour its obligations under international law (http://
www.iheu.org/un-publishes-iheu-statement… holy-see).

    The [IHEU] statement addressed the role of the Holy See in
attempting to cover up the extent of child abuse perpetrated by its
priests and religious orders…
    The reply argued that the Church was not unique in having clergy
who sexually abused children and young people… Our point was not the
abuse itself but the cover up.

    The Holy See is a sovereign state and its senior clergy, safely
ensconced in the Vatican out of reach of civil law, are answerable to
no earthly power other than themselves – and to the few international
treaties to which they are party. One such is the International
Convention on the Rights of the Child and the Holy See is in massive
breach of its obligations under that convention.

    Commenting on the [Vatican] response, IHEU Main Representative in
Geneva, Roy Brown, said: “By failing to address this issue while
seeking to point the finger of blame elsewhere, the Holy See’ has
scored a spectacular own goal. One senior UN official described their
reply as ‘a disgrace’. We agree.”


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Red Hot Pepper  
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 More options Nov 5, 4:29 am
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: Red Hot Pepper <redhotpep...@yooha.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:29:14 -0500
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 4:29 am
Subject: Re: There are 150 Vietnamese Catholic Priests in Viet Nam who are Sex Abusers according to Vatican Ambassador to United Nations Human Rights Council
where did you get that number "150 vietnamese catholic priest ...are sex
abusers"?

i don't think anyone would be so stupid to infer that since 5% of the
number of catholic priests worldwide are *linked to sexual abuse*, 5% of
vietnamese catholic priests in vietnam must be "sex abusers".

since you are not that stupid to make such a generalization, you must
have gotten the number from somewhere.  i would very much like where you
cite that "150" number.


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