I sometimes like alternate histories but Amazon sent me this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345502892/ref=pe_606_13514990_pe_ar_v1 for a new Birmingham book. I did not like his "Weapons of Choice" about a fleet of US/British/Aussie ships somehow transported back in time to the Battle of Midway because the amazing coincidence of this happening is never explained. SOME coincidences are ok in fiction but not something so implausible as to require you to accept some sort of Deus ex Mechina that never appears again. Even worse, the mechanism that somehow transported the US ships into the Battle of Midway also somehow transported a ship into a mountain in New Guenia causing me to ask "Huh, one ship appears inside a mountain but the others somehow appear on the waters surface?" The author should at least try to make his mechanism consistent.
On Nov 4, 10:39 am, Frogwatch <ohara...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I sometimes like alternate histories but Amazon sent me this:http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345502892/ref=pe_606_13514990_pe_ar_v1 > for a new Birmingham book. I did not like his "Weapons of Choice" > about a fleet of US/British/Aussie ships somehow transported back in > time to the Battle of Midway because the amazing coincidence of this > happening is never explained. SOME coincidences are ok in fiction but > not something so implausible as to require you to accept some sort of > Deus ex Mechina that never appears again. Even worse, the mechanism > that somehow transported the US ships into the Battle of Midway also > somehow transported a ship into a mountain in New Guenia causing me to > ask "Huh, one ship appears inside a mountain but the others somehow > appear on the waters surface?" The author should at least try to make > his mechanism consistent.
>I sometimes like alternate histories but Amazon sent me this: > http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345502892/ref=pe_606_13514990_pe_ar_v1 > for a new Birmingham book. I did not like his "Weapons of Choice" > about a fleet of US/British/Aussie ships somehow transported back in > time to the Battle of Midway because the amazing coincidence of this > happening is never explained. SOME coincidences are ok in fiction but > not something so implausible as to require you to accept some sort of > Deus ex Mechina that never appears again. Even worse, the mechanism > that somehow transported the US ships into the Battle of Midway also > somehow transported a ship into a mountain in New Guenia causing me to > ask "Huh, one ship appears inside a mountain but the others somehow > appear on the waters surface?" The author should at least try to make > his mechanism consistent.
what would these ships do to "change" history. the USN won Midway anyway.
Frogwatch wrote: > I sometimes like alternate histories but Amazon sent me this: > http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345502892/ref=pe_606_13514990_pe_ar_v1 > for a new Birmingham book. I did not like his "Weapons of Choice" > about a fleet of US/British/Aussie ships somehow transported back in > time to the Battle of Midway because the amazing coincidence of this > happening is never explained. SOME coincidences are ok in fiction but > not something so implausible as to require you to accept some sort of > Deus ex Mechina that never appears again. Even worse, the mechanism > that somehow transported the US ships into the Battle of Midway also > somehow transported a ship into a mountain in New Guenia causing me to > ask "Huh, one ship appears inside a mountain but the others somehow > appear on the waters surface?" The author should at least try to make > his mechanism consistent.
This sounds like "The Final Countdown," a movie involving the US CVN Nimitz and Pearl Harbor's Kido Butai.
> "Frogwatch" <ohara...@mindspring.com> wrote in message >> I sometimes like alternate histories but Amazon sent me this: >> http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345502892/ref=pe_606_13514990_pe_ar_v1 >> for a new Birmingham book. I did not like his "Weapons of Choice" >> about a fleet of US/British/Aussie ships somehow transported back in >> time to the Battle of Midway because the amazing coincidence of this >> happening is never explained.
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> what would these ships do to "change" history. > the USN won Midway anyway.
well, these ships (esp. certain types of US ships) can shorten drastically the war (for example, giving straight the end results of the Manhattan Project) so, in absence of a synopsis of the book, I can guess that the plot is around avoiding altering drastically & dramatically the History (like Star trek's Prime Directive) and how the stranded crewmen cope with 1940s mindset & culture (for example, sexuality & musical tastes)
> Frogwatch wrote: > > I sometimes like alternate histories but Amazon sent me this: > >http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345502892/ref=pe_606_13514990_pe_ar_v1 > > for a new Birmingham book. I did not like his "Weapons of Choice" > > about a fleet of US/British/Aussie ships somehow transported back in > > time to the Battle of Midway because the amazing coincidence of this > > happening is never explained. SOME coincidences are ok in fiction but > > not something so implausible as to require you to accept some sort of > > Deus ex Mechina that never appears again. Even worse, the mechanism > > that somehow transported the US ships into the Battle of Midway also > > somehow transported a ship into a mountain in New Guenia causing me to > > ask "Huh, one ship appears inside a mountain but the others somehow > > appear on the waters surface?" The author should at least try to make > > his mechanism consistent.
> This sounds like "The Final Countdown," a movie involving the US CVN > Nimitz and Pearl Harbor's Kido Butai.
> Dennis
Different in that in that future armada are ships from various countries that had been involved in WWII. Each ship ends up in a different area and some of the crews are forced or volunteer into the service of their "former" country. Three volume story with a bit of Harry Turtledove writing.
> This sounds like "The Final Countdown," a movie involving the US CVN > Nimitz and Pearl Harbor's Kido Butai.
Or "Zipang", a japanese Manga/Anime with the same setting, but flag reversed, about an Atago-class DDG back in the eve of PH and making big mess in the Solomons & attempting to drive Imperial Japan to where resources are actually available, in Manchuria...
Of course, there are also the Yamato, the Savo Battle, and the Atago DDG misidentified for the *other* Atago class ;)
<dott.PiergiorgioNI...@KAIGUN.fastwebnet.it> wrote: > Dennis ha scritto:
> > This sounds like "The Final Countdown," a movie involving the US CVN > > Nimitz and Pearl Harbor's Kido Butai.
> Or "Zipang", a japanese Manga/Anime with the same setting, but flag > reversed, about an Atago-class DDG back in the eve of PH and making big > mess in the Solomons & attempting to drive Imperial Japan to where > resources are actually available, in Manchuria...
> Of course, there are also the Yamato, the Savo Battle, and the Atago DDG > misidentified for the *other* Atago class ;)
> Best regards from Italy, > Dott. Piergiorgio.
Google Yamato, seems there's a sub scale model built for a Japanese movie that's used as a museum set in Japan. I think it finally is opened to the public. I can't think of another ship that seems to have captured the imagination so much that did absolutely nothing in a conflict. Well, ok, probably looked neat tied up at dock...(sort of like the capital fleets in WWI).
If you were ever in Japan, the Uraga docks that were right up next to Yokosuka are now closed (as of 2007 or something like that). Used to be the first thing you saw after driving through the 7 tunnels to get there. And in WWII all the local lesser beings were prohibited from getting past the first tunnel.
> <dott.PiergiorgioNI...@KAIGUN.fastwebnet.it> wrote: > > Dennis ha scritto:
> > > This sounds like "The Final Countdown," a movie involving the US CVN > > > Nimitz and Pearl Harbor's Kido Butai.
> > Or "Zipang", a japanese Manga/Anime with the same setting, but flag > > reversed, about an Atago-class DDG back in the eve of PH and making big > > mess in the Solomons & attempting to drive Imperial Japan to where > > resources are actually available, in Manchuria...
> > Of course, there are also the Yamato, the Savo Battle, and the Atago DDG > > misidentified for the *other* Atago class ;)
> > Best regards from Italy, > > Dott. Piergiorgio.
> Google Yamato, seems there's a sub scale model built for a Japanese > movie that's used as a museum set in Japan. I think it finally is > opened to the public. I can't think of another ship that seems to have > captured the imagination so much that did absolutely nothing in a > conflict. Well, ok, probably looked neat tied up at dock...(sort of > like the capital fleets in WWI).
> If you were ever in Japan, the Uraga docks that were right up next to > Yokosuka are now closed (as of 2007 or something like that). Used to > be the first thing you saw after driving through the 7 tunnels to get > there. And in WWII all the local lesser beings were prohibited from > getting past the first tunnel.
<dott.PiergiorgioNI...@KAIGUN.fastwebnet.it> wrote: > Dennis ha scritto:
> > This sounds like "The Final Countdown," a movie involving the US CVN > > Nimitz and Pearl Harbor's Kido Butai.
> Or "Zipang", a japanese Manga/Anime with the same setting, but flag > reversed, about an Atago-class DDG back in the eve of PH and making big > mess in the Solomons & attempting to drive Imperial Japan to where > resources are actually available, in Manchuria...
> Of course, there are also the Yamato, the Savo Battle, and the Atago DDG > misidentified for the *other* Atago class ;)
> Best regards from Italy, > Dott. Piergiorgio.
Google Yamato, seems there's a sub scale model built for a Japanese movie that's used as a museum set in Japan. I think it finally is opened to the public. I can't think of another ship that seems to have captured the imagination so much that did absolutely nothing in a conflict. Well, ok, probably looked neat tied up at dock...(sort of like the capital fleets in WWI).
If you were ever in Japan, the Uraga docks that were right up next to Yokosuka are now closed (as of 2007 or something like that). Used to be the first thing you saw after driving through the 7 tunnels to get there. And in WWII all the local lesser beings were prohibited from getting past the first tunnel.
there is a huge model of her that is open to the public and a large mock up used in a movie about her last mission. it never actually managed to hit anything in its one time shooting at the USN.
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