So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are stymied by all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a few months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy theories, which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to someone that I'm getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved, because I just have to know!!! ya know? :)
Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have theories on how this could happen, I'm appending an article from a book that an acquaintance directed me to WRT to cargo spillage and the fact that sneakers are remarkably buoyant. However I cannot imagine any shipping concern hauling cargos of severed feet in sneakers, but that's just *moi*. I'm innocent in the ways of such things.
Flotsametrics and the Floating World Flotsametrics and the Floating World: An Excerpt
Eureka, a Sneaker!
"The ocean is forever asking questions and writing them aloud on the shore."
-Edwin Arlington Robinson, Roman Bartholow
The year 1990 was a watershed year for me, and for flotsam science. No sooner had I decided to cut back on consulting work and concentrate on my own research than the other shoe dropped-literally.
On May 27, 1990, the cargo vessel Hansa Carrier, en route from Korea to Los Angeles, hit a severe, sudden storm. Stowing cargo is critical on today's ships, whose decks are packed up to seventy feet high with eight-by-ten-by-forty-foot steel shipping containers. Distribute the weight unevenly and the ship may heel over in a storm. Lash it too loosely and she may shed containers like a dog shaking off fleas.
Cargo practices have since improved, but in the 1990s as many as ten thousand containers may have gone overboard each year. The largest known spill, during a 1998 typhoon, dropped three to four hundred containers into the mid-Pacific.
The Hansa Carrier was named after the Hanseatic League, a medieval German merchant alliance with a famous seafaring history. But the ship's reputation was less illustrious; her crew was notorious for stowing containers sloppily, so much so that some of the shippers who'd used her called her "the ship from hell." When the May 27 storm hit, she lost twenty-one containers. Five were crammed with Nike shoes-eighty thousand sneakers, hiking boots, and children's shoes. The pairs were unlaced, so each shoe became a separate item of flotsam.
As usual, the shipping industry guarded the news closely; shippers and manufacturers tend to keep their cargo spills secret, to avoid embarrassment and liability. But then the shoes themselves blew the cover off. Eight months later, in January 1991, after drifting two thousand miles eastward, the Nikes began beaching on Vancouver Island. The prevailing winter winds and currents then pushed them north as far as the Queen Charlotte Islands. Then the winds shifted, as they do each spring, and blew south through the summer. Thousands of shoes stranded along the Oregon coast, just a few score miles from Nike's headquarters outside Portland.
The news media loved the story. One day, when I stopped by my parents' house for our usual lunch of creamed eggs on toast, my mother pulled out the newspaper story she'd clipped on the Oregon shoe strandings, and I said I'd look into it. The floating world had given me the call.
To the ancient Greeks, Nike was the winged goddess of victory, though it was another god, Hermes, who lent the hero Perseus the winged shoes that let him fly like a bird. In the late twentieth century, "Nikes" became first guided missiles, then sneakers. To me, they represented a chance to have a little fun with ocean currents, and a welcome respite from sewage, oil spills, and offshore platform designs.
Like an oceanic gumshoe, I set about tracking down the beached sneakers. When I ask shippers about flotsam washing up from their container spills, 95 percent stonewall. "We are not aware of any lost merchandise," goes the standard answer. I could never find out what was in the other sixteen containers that washed off the Hansa Carrier that day. But Nike's transportation department was refreshingly open about this spill. Its staff provided the date, latitude, and longitude and their container load plan, listing each container's contents down to the last shoe. Unlike many other footwear manufacturers, Nike stamps a simple identification number, a "purchase order ID" (POID), on each of its shoes. It tracks its products so meticulously that it can trace a single shoe to its mother container. For example, the POID on a three-year-old Nike recovered on Maui, 90 04 06 ST, indicated that the Korean factory (ST) had received the order in April (04) for delivery by June (06) 1990.
Following the POID s would eventually enable us to answer the question I'm always asked when I speak on the Great Sneaker Spill: How many of the five Nike containers broke open in the storm and disgorged their contents? We've found hundreds of shoes from each of four containers and not one shoe from the fifth. Someday, somewhere on the Pacific seabed, submarine archeologists will find sixteen thousand sneakers nestled in a giant steel shoebox.
With the information Nike provided, we could determine conclusively whether any shoe that washed up had fallen off the Hansa. The first beachcombers' reports of sneakers washing up-"forerunners," as one reporter called them-were equally specific. I had something that's very rare with spontaneous flotsam (as opposed to determinate drift markers): both point A, when and where an object starts to drift, and point B, when and where it washes up.
With this data in hand, I thought of OSCURS, the Ocean Surface Current Simulator program that Jim Ingraham had developed at NOAA to calculate the effects of ocean currents on salmon migration. I wondered if OSCURS would work as well with inanimate drifters as it did with swimming fish; subtract the fish's swim speed and you should have flotsam. In the decades since grad school, Jim and I had gone our separate ways, but the sneaker spill rekindled our friendship. I called him, and he was glad to help.
I decided to stage a blind test of OSCURS. I gave Jim only point A, the Hansa spill, and asked if he could calculate point B, when and where the shoes would wash up. "I'll fax back the answer in an hour," he replied.
OSCURS homed in like a carrier pigeon, making direct hits on the earliest point Bs-November and December 1990 on the Washington coast and January and February 1991 on Vancouver Island-where the first sneakers washed up. Jim and I needed more data-the dates and locations of other wash-ups. We began seeking out beachcombers in Oregon and asking if they'd spotted any Nikes, but it was a slow, laborious process. Then we hit the jackpot: One beachcomber directed me to Steve McLeod, a painter in the easygoing resort town of Cannon Beach. Steve is a classic starving artist; he'd won some recognition and big commissions but refused to play the corporate game, preferring to follow his muse and eke out what living he could. He's also a dedicated beachcomber, which may nurture his muse and certainly boosted his living on this occasion.
Twenty years earlier, as if by premonition, Steve had painted a picture of two gigantic hiking boots hovering over an imaginary beach. When he started finding beached Nikes, a light went on. This was the heyday of sneaker chic, when newspapers feasted on stories about inner-city kids shooting each other for their Air Jordans. Scrape off the barnacles, toss the washed-up Nikes in the washer, add a little bleach, and they looked and felt like new. Steve became a mail-order matchmaker for hundreds of people up and down the coast who'd found mismatched sneakers and wanted mates. He negotiated swaps: a size 10 left for a size 9 right here, a right size 12 for a left size 7 there. Soon everyone wound up with matched pairs, and Steve wound up with a shoestore's worth. When I visited his loft in Cannon Beach, it was filled with two-by-four racks covered with drying sneakers. He sold them on the street, along with his usual trinkets, for $30 each, and took in $1,300.
"Is the shoe worth its salt?" quipped Jim Ingraham. He and I both took to wearing sea sneakers-in my case, a pair of fluorescent-pink Nike Flights that Steve gave me.
Better yet, Steve collected even more data than he did sneakers. He had notes on where and when sixteen hundred shoes had washed up; without him, I might have collected only a third or half as many reports. All told, we located "point B" for 2.5 percent of the shoes washed off the Hansa Carrier-almost as good as the 2.8 percent reporting rate for thirty thousand scientific message bottles released near the same site in 1958 and 1959 as part of the International Geophysical Year. Media coverage, swap meets, and Steve's diligence had proven nearly as effective as bottled pleas at eliciting responses from finders. It was solid data, good science. And it was the beginning of a flotsam-monitoring network that now circles the globe-thousands of sharp-eyed field monitors, volunteers in the search for telltale flotsam and indicator jetsam.
The sneaker spill introduced me to the world of beachcombing, a culture I had only brushed up against before but from which I've since learned a great deal. Beachcombing appeals to deep-seated impulses and aspirations-to the scientist, explorer, collector, and treasure hunter in everyone and, deepest of all, to the inner hunter-gatherer. It
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Mary Vallis, National Post Published: Wednesday, October 28, 2009
Taylor Mitchell, an up-and-coming singer-songwriter from Toronto, died this morning after she was attacked by two coyotes while hiking in Cape Breton Highlands National Park yesterday.
"[The victim] was airlifted to the QEII hospital in Halifax, where she died of her injuries early this morning," Sgt. Bridgit Leger of the RCMP said in an interview.
Officers with the RCMP detachment in Cheticamp, N.S., responded to a 911 call placed around 3:15 p.m. yesterday. When they arrived on Skyline Trail, a popular hiking route in the park, they found two coyotes attacking the young hiker.
The coyotes continued to act aggressively after officers arrived. An officer shot one of the animals; it hobbled away and its body has not been recovered, Sgt. Leger said. The other coyote fled into the park.
Police have not yet confirmed the victim's identity, but Ms. Mitchell's publicist confirmed an email to media that it was her.
Ms. Mitchell's MySpace and Facebook pages indicate she was on tour in the Maritimes on her "Atlantic Winds and Sea Shanties" tour. Earlier this month she was nominated for the Canadian Folk Music Awards' Young Performer of the Year.
According to her website, she was 18 years old and a recent graduate of the Etobicoke School of the Arts, where she majored in musical theatre.
One of the singer's last shows was at the Broadway Cafe in Sussex, N.B., on Oct. 24. She played an acoustic set to a crowd of two dozen.
"I'm shocked," Randi Griffin, the cafe's owner, said this morning. "She was great."
Ms. Mitchell - who was scheduled to play in Margaretsville, N.S., on Oct.. 30 - is believed to have been hiking alone. Police are now in the process of contacting the victim's family. The 911 call was placed by another hiker who stumbled upon the attack while it was in progress.
Reports say she suffered bite wounds all over her body.
Parks staff are now searching for the second coyote, which will be destroyed if it is found, said Germaine LaMoine, a spokesman for the Cape Breton field unit for Parks Canada.
"The trail has been closed and it is secure," Ms. LaMoine said. "We're very concerned about public safety. That's foremost on our minds. We are keeping it closed until that second animal has been located and disposed of."
Ms. LaMoine said the attack in the park are not common. Tests will be conducted on the coyotes' carcasses if they are recovered.
Seven kilometres long, Skyline Trail, is popular with hikers for its spectacular ocean views and whale-watching opportunities.
> So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are stymied by > all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a few > months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy theories, > which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to someone that I'm > getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved, because I just have to > know!!! ya know? :)
> Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have theories on > how this could happen, I'm appending an article from a book that an > acquaintance directed me to WRT to cargo spillage and the fact that sneakers > are remarkably buoyant. However I cannot imagine any shipping concern > hauling cargos of severed feet in sneakers, but that's just *moi*. I'm > innocent in the ways of such things.
> Flotsametrics and the Floating World Flotsametrics and the Floating > World: An Excerpt
> Eureka, a Sneaker!
> "The ocean is forever asking questions and writing them aloud on the shore."
> -Edwin Arlington Robinson, Roman Bartholow
> The year 1990 was a watershed year for me, and for flotsam science. No > sooner had I decided to cut back on consulting work and concentrate on my > own research than the other shoe dropped-literally.
> On May 27, 1990, the cargo vessel Hansa Carrier, en route from Korea to Los > Angeles, hit a severe, sudden storm. Stowing cargo is critical on today's > ships, whose decks are packed up to seventy feet high with > eight-by-ten-by-forty-foot steel shipping containers. Distribute the weight > unevenly and the ship may heel over in a storm. Lash it too loosely and she > may shed containers like a dog shaking off fleas.
> Cargo practices have since improved, but in the 1990s as many as ten > thousand containers may have gone overboard each year. The largest known > spill, during a 1998 typhoon, dropped three to four hundred containers into > the mid-Pacific.
> The Hansa Carrier was named after the Hanseatic League, a medieval German > merchant alliance with a famous seafaring history. But the ship's reputation > was less illustrious; her crew was notorious for stowing containers > sloppily, so much so that some of the shippers who'd used her called her > "the ship from hell." When the May 27 storm hit, she lost twenty-one > containers. Five were crammed with Nike shoes-eighty thousand sneakers, > hiking boots, and children's shoes. The pairs were unlaced, so each shoe > became a separate item of flotsam.
> As usual, the shipping industry guarded the news closely; shippers and > manufacturers tend to keep their cargo spills secret, to avoid embarrassment > and liability. But then the shoes themselves blew the cover off. Eight > months later, in January 1991, after drifting two thousand miles eastward, > the Nikes began beaching on Vancouver Island. The prevailing winter winds > and currents then pushed them north as far as the Queen Charlotte Islands. > Then the winds shifted, as they do each spring, and blew south through the > summer. Thousands of shoes stranded along the Oregon coast, just a few score > miles from Nike's headquarters outside Portland.
> The news media loved the story. One day, when I stopped by my parents' house > for our usual lunch of creamed eggs on toast, my mother pulled out the > newspaper story she'd clipped on the Oregon shoe strandings, and I said I'd > look into it. The floating world had given me the call.
> To the ancient Greeks, Nike was the winged goddess of victory, though it was > another god, Hermes, who lent the hero Perseus the winged shoes that let him > fly like a bird. In the late twentieth century, "Nikes" became first guided > missiles, then sneakers. To me, they represented a chance to have a little > fun with ocean currents, and a welcome respite from sewage, oil spills, and > offshore platform designs.
> Like an oceanic gumshoe, I set about tracking down > the beached sneakers. When I ask shippers about flotsam washing up from > their container spills, 95 percent stonewall. "We are not aware of any lost > merchandise," goes the standard answer. I could never find out what was in > the other sixteen containers that washed off the Hansa Carrier that day. But > Nike's transportation department was refreshingly open about this spill. Its > staff provided the date, latitude, and longitude and their container load > plan, listing each container's contents down to the last shoe. Unlike many > other footwear manufacturers, Nike stamps a simple identification number, a > "purchase order ID" (POID), on each of its shoes. It tracks its products so > meticulously that it can trace a single shoe to its mother container. For > example, the POID on a three-year-old Nike recovered on Maui, 90 04 06 ST, > indicated that the Korean factory (ST) had received the order in April (04) > for delivery by June (06) 1990.
> Following the POID s would eventually enable us to answer the question I'm > always asked when I speak on the Great Sneaker Spill: How many of the five > Nike containers broke open in the storm and disgorged their contents? We've > found hundreds of shoes from each of four containers and not one shoe from > the fifth. Someday, somewhere on the Pacific seabed, submarine archeologists > will find sixteen thousand sneakers nestled in a giant steel shoebox.
> With the information Nike provided, we could determine conclusively whether > any shoe that washed up had fallen off the Hansa. The first beachcombers' > reports of sneakers washing up-"forerunners," as one reporter called > them-were equally specific. I had something that's very rare with > spontaneous flotsam (as opposed to determinate drift markers): both point A, > when and where an object starts to drift, and point B, when and where it > washes up.
> With this data in hand, I thought of OSCURS, the Ocean Surface Current > Simulator program that Jim Ingraham had developed at NOAA to calculate the > effects of ocean currents on salmon migration. I wondered if OSCURS would > work as well with inanimate drifters as it did with swimming fish; subtract > the fish's swim speed and you should have flotsam. In the decades since grad > school, Jim and I had gone our separate ways, but the sneaker spill > rekindled our friendship. I called him, and he was glad to help.
> I decided to stage a blind test of OSCURS. I gave Jim only point A, the > Hansa spill, and asked if he could calculate point B, when and where the > shoes would wash up. "I'll fax back the answer in an hour," he replied.
> OSCURS homed in like a carrier pigeon, making direct hits on the earliest > point Bs-November and December 1990 on the Washington coast and January and > February 1991 on Vancouver Island-where the first sneakers washed up. Jim > and I needed more data-the dates and locations of other wash-ups. We began > seeking out beachcombers in Oregon and asking if they'd spotted any Nikes, > but it was a slow, laborious process. Then we hit the jackpot: One > beachcomber directed me to Steve McLeod, a painter in the easygoing resort > town of Cannon Beach. Steve is a classic starving artist; he'd won some > recognition and big commissions but refused to play the corporate game, > preferring to follow his muse and eke out what living he could. He's also a > dedicated beachcomber, which may nurture his muse and certainly boosted his > living on this occasion.
> Twenty years earlier, as if by premonition, Steve had painted a picture of > two gigantic hiking boots hovering over an imaginary beach. When he started > finding beached Nikes, a light went on. This was the heyday of sneaker chic, > when newspapers feasted on stories about inner-city kids shooting each other > for their Air Jordans. Scrape off the barnacles, toss the washed-up Nikes in > the washer, add a little bleach, and they looked and felt like new. Steve > became a mail-order matchmaker for hundreds of people up and down the coast > who'd found mismatched sneakers and wanted mates. He negotiated swaps: a > size 10 left for a size 9 right here, a right size 12 for a left size 7 > there. Soon everyone wound up with matched pairs, and Steve wound up with a > shoestore's worth. When I visited his loft in Cannon Beach, it was filled > with two-by-four racks covered with drying sneakers. He sold them on the > street, along with his usual trinkets, for $30 each, and took in $1,300.
> "Is the shoe worth its salt?" quipped Jim Ingraham. He and I both took to > wearing sea sneakers-in my case, a pair of fluorescent-pink Nike Flights > that Steve gave me.
> Better yet, Steve collected even more data than he did sneakers. He had > notes on where and when sixteen hundred shoes had washed up; without him, I > might have collected only a third or half as many reports. All told, we > located "point B" for 2.5 percent of the shoes washed off the Hansa > Carrier-almost as good as the 2.8 percent reporting rate for thirty thousand > scientific message bottles released near the same site in 1958 and 1959 as > part of the International Geophysical Year. Media coverage, swap meets, and > Steve's diligence had proven nearly as effective as bottled pleas at > eliciting responses from finders. It was solid data, good science. And it > was the beginning of a flotsam-monitoring network that now circles the > globe-thousands of sharp-eyed field monitors, volunteers in the search for > telltale flotsam and indicator jetsam.
> Mary Vallis, National Post Published: Wednesday, October 28, 2009
> Taylor Mitchell, an up-and-coming singer-songwriter from Toronto, died > this > morning after she was attacked by two coyotes while hiking in Cape Breton > Highlands National Park yesterday.
> "[The victim] was airlifted to the QEII hospital in Halifax, where she > died > of her injuries early this morning," Sgt. Bridgit Leger of the RCMP said > in > an interview.
> Officers with the RCMP detachment in Cheticamp, N.S., responded to a 911 > call placed around 3:15 p.m. yesterday. When they arrived on Skyline > Trail, > a popular hiking route in the park, they found two coyotes attacking the > young hiker.
> The coyotes continued to act aggressively after officers arrived. An > officer > shot one of the animals; it hobbled away and its body has not been > recovered, Sgt. Leger said. The other coyote fled into the park.
> Police have not yet confirmed the victim's identity, but Ms. Mitchell's > publicist confirmed an email to media that it was her.
> Ms. Mitchell's MySpace and Facebook pages indicate she was on tour in the > Maritimes on her "Atlantic Winds and Sea Shanties" tour. Earlier this > month > she was nominated for the Canadian Folk Music Awards' Young Performer of > the > Year.
> According to her website, she was 18 years old and a recent graduate of > the > Etobicoke School of the Arts, where she majored in musical theatre.
> One of the singer's last shows was at the Broadway Cafe in Sussex, N.B., > on > Oct. 24. She played an acoustic set to a crowd of two dozen.
> "I'm shocked," Randi Griffin, the cafe's owner, said this morning. "She > was > great."
> Ms. Mitchell - who was scheduled to play in Margaretsville, N.S., on Oct.. > 30 - is believed to have been hiking alone. Police are now in the process > of > contacting the victim's family. The 911 call was placed by another hiker > who > stumbled upon the attack while it was in progress.
> Reports say she suffered bite wounds all over her body.
> Parks staff are now searching for the second coyote, which will be > destroyed > if it is found, said Germaine LaMoine, a spokesman for the Cape Breton > field > unit for Parks Canada.
> "The trail has been closed and it is secure," Ms. LaMoine said. "We're > very > concerned about public safety. That's foremost on our minds. We are > keeping > it closed until that second animal has been located and disposed of."
> Ms. LaMoine said the attack in the park are not common. Tests will be > conducted on the coyotes' carcasses if they are recovered.
> Seven kilometres long, Skyline Trail, is popular with hikers for its > spectacular ocean views and whale-watching opportunities.
It's rare for Coyotes to attack adults. http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/5579952/detail.html At the George Wright Golf Course in the Hyde Park neighborhood of Boston a group of coyotes attacked a dog walking with it's owner but they ignored the owner. Coyotes are quite the nuisance in the area, I worry every time my cat goes out at night. posters on poles and in stores and flyers asking if you've seen Fluffy{or Ginger as the one on my front steps yesterday asked}are all too common.
"La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message... > So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are stymied by > all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a > few months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy > theories, which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to > someone that I'm getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved, > because I just have to know!!! ya know? :) > I'm appending an article --
Nice read or reread.
> Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have theories > on how this could happen,
I do not see any conspiracy. Fishing/crabbing ships, small pleasure boats and/or just individuals that are on them or on merchant ships are often enough lost at sea. Over time, the bodies decompose, and separate. If they happen to be wearing a very floatable shoe, (as a fair number happen now to be doing) the shoe (and some included contents) will float and drift, some eventually end up on a beach and found.
So, IMHO, the only thing new/unusual in this is that in the past nothing of many lost bodies was ever found. Now many have laced one small part in a float. So these are being found.
Schucks, probably should even include some aircraft crashes. How many complete bodies were ever recovered from KAL 007?
> "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message... > > So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are stymied by > > all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a > > few months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy > > theories, which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to > > someone that I'm getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved, > > because I just have to know!!! ya know? :) > > I'm appending an article --
> Nice read or reread.
> > Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have theories > > on how this could happen,
> I do not see any conspiracy. > Fishing/crabbing ships, small pleasure boats and/or just > individuals that are on them or on merchant ships are often > enough lost at sea. > Over time, the bodies decompose, and separate. > If they happen to be wearing a very floatable shoe, > (as a fair number happen now to be doing) > the shoe (and some included contents) will float > and drift, some eventually end up on a beach and found.
> So, IMHO, the only thing new/unusual in this is that > in the past nothing of many lost bodies was ever found. > Now many have laced one small part in a float. > So these are being found.
> Schucks, probably should even include some aircraft > crashes. How many complete bodies were ever > recovered from KAL 007?
Look at an ordinary crowd, like in a mall or grocery store. Around 80% are wearing athletic shoes.
<jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote: >On Oct 30, 11:02 am, "a425couple" <a425cou...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message... >> > So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are stymied by >> > all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a >> > few months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy >> > theories, which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to >> > someone that I'm getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved, >> > because I just have to know!!! ya know? :) >> > I'm appending an article --
>> Nice read or reread.
>> > Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have theories >> > on how this could happen,
>> I do not see any conspiracy. >> Fishing/crabbing ships, small pleasure boats and/or just >> individuals that are on them or on merchant ships are often >> enough lost at sea. >> Over time, the bodies decompose, and separate. >> If they happen to be wearing a very floatable shoe, >> (as a fair number happen now to be doing) >> the shoe (and some included contents) will float >> and drift, some eventually end up on a beach and found.
>> So, IMHO, the only thing new/unusual in this is that >> in the past nothing of many lost bodies was ever found. >> Now many have laced one small part in a float. >> So these are being found.
>> Schucks, probably should even include some aircraft >> crashes. How many complete bodies were ever >> recovered from KAL 007?
This is where stuff dumped in vast portions of theNorthern Pacific ends up. Shoes from the Great Sneaker Spill are still turning up after more than a decade. The shoes are numbered and you can tell which of four containers they were in. The fifth container seems to be intact, somewhere, no shoes from it have shown. One ship lost sixty boxes, the record.
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:07:57 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum > <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>On Oct 30, 11:02 am, "a425couple" <a425cou...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message... >>> > So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are >>> > stymied by >>> > all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a >>> > few months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy >>> > theories, which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to >>> > someone that I'm getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved, >>> > because I just have to know!!! ya know? :) >>> > I'm appending an article --
>>> Nice read or reread.
>>> > Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have >>> > theories >>> > on how this could happen,
>>> I do not see any conspiracy. >>> Fishing/crabbing ships, small pleasure boats and/or just >>> individuals that are on them or on merchant ships are often >>> enough lost at sea. >>> Over time, the bodies decompose, and separate. >>> If they happen to be wearing a very floatable shoe, >>> (as a fair number happen now to be doing) >>> the shoe (and some included contents) will float >>> and drift, some eventually end up on a beach and found.
>>> So, IMHO, the only thing new/unusual in this is that >>> in the past nothing of many lost bodies was ever found. >>> Now many have laced one small part in a float. >>> So these are being found.
>>> Schucks, probably should even include some aircraft >>> crashes. How many complete bodies were ever >>> recovered from KAL 007?
> This is where stuff dumped in vast portions of theNorthern Pacific > ends up. Shoes from the Great Sneaker Spill are still turning up after > more than a decade. The shoes are numbered and you can tell which of > four containers they were in. The fifth container seems to be intact, > somewhere, no shoes from it have shown. One ship lost sixty boxes, the > record.
> Casady
they don't ship sneakers with feet already in them.
> > On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:07:57 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum > > <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>On Oct 30, 11:02 am, "a425couple" <a425cou...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message... > >>> > So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are > >>> > stymied by > >>> > all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a > >>> > few months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy > >>> > theories, which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to > >>> > someone that I'm getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved, > >>> > because I just have to know!!! ya know? :) > >>> > I'm appending an article --
> >>> Nice read or reread.
> >>> > Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have > >>> > theories > >>> > on how this could happen,
> >>> I do not see any conspiracy. > >>> Fishing/crabbing ships, small pleasure boats and/or just > >>> individuals that are on them or on merchant ships are often > >>> enough lost at sea. > >>> Over time, the bodies decompose, and separate. > >>> If they happen to be wearing a very floatable shoe, > >>> (as a fair number happen now to be doing) > >>> the shoe (and some included contents) will float > >>> and drift, some eventually end up on a beach and found.
> >>> So, IMHO, the only thing new/unusual in this is that > >>> in the past nothing of many lost bodies was ever found. > >>> Now many have laced one small part in a float. > >>> So these are being found.
> >>> Schucks, probably should even include some aircraft > >>> crashes. How many complete bodies were ever > >>> recovered from KAL 007?
> > This is where stuff dumped in vast portions of theNorthern Pacific > > ends up. Shoes from the Great Sneaker Spill are still turning up after > > more than a decade. The shoes are numbered and you can tell which of > > four containers they were in. The fifth container seems to be intact, > > somewhere, no shoes from it have shown. One ship lost sixty boxes, the > > record.
> > Casady
> they don't ship sneakers with feet already in them.
This first was identified and associated to a deceased male. The two female feet found in Richmond were matched in December 2008. The two male feet found on Valdez Island and Westham Island were matched in July 2008, and the male right foot found on Gabriola Island in August 2007 remains unidentified, according to the RCMP release.
There has been no evidence to date to support foul play in relation to these discoveries, and it appears that all remains separated from the body through a natural process, police said. It isn't clear how the bodies got into the water.
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:52:42 GMT, "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Taylor Mitchell, an up-and-coming singer-songwriter from Toronto, died this >morning after she was attacked by two coyotes while hiking in Cape Breton >Highlands National Park yesterday.
Gun control scores again. They invented the pistol so you could always have an effective weapon handy. Trouble with a shotgun, quarterstaff, or spear is that they are too much trouble. The boy scout motto is 'Be Prepared', and they do mostly carry knives. If I had been there I would have been wearing my 9 1/2 inch Bowie knife, and I would have cut first and made the phone call later.
> Trouble with a shotgun, quarterstaff, > or spear is that they are too much trouble.
But you do agree that one has the God-given right to openly carry a shotgun on the downtown streets, right?
-- Each person has an individual responsibility to determine if his actions are moral, and no government or army may ever take that responsibility away.
definition: murder - the unjustifiable and intentional killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS.
>> Trouble with a shotgun, quarterstaff, >> or spear is that they are too much trouble.
> But you do agree that one has the God-given right to openly carry a > shotgun > on the downtown streets, right?
> -- > Each person has an individual responsibility to determine if his actions > are moral, and > no government or army may ever take that responsibility away.
> definition: > murder - the unjustifiable and intentional killing of people, NO > EXCEPTIONS.
But it doesnt say that all killings are unjustifiable. They arent. And carrying a gun isnt a god given right either.
> >> Trouble with a shotgun, quarterstaff, > >> or spear is that they are too much trouble.
> > But you do agree that one has the God-given right to openly carry a > > shotgun > > on the downtown streets, right?
> > -- > > Each person has an individual responsibility to determine if his actions > > are moral, and > > no government or army may ever take that responsibility away.
> > definition: > > murder - the unjustifiable and intentional killing of people, NO > > EXCEPTIONS.
> But it doesnt say that all killings are unjustifiable. They arent. And > carrying a gun isnt a god given right .
Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved.
Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural right of any creature.
>> Trouble with a shotgun, quarterstaff, >> or spear is that they are too much trouble.
> But you do agree that one has the God-given right to openly carry a > shotgun > on the downtown streets, right?
"God-given" ? Surely you can quote some religious document to support that claim
On the other hand, you have a STATE-constitutionally-DECLARED right to do so in Vermont and Alaska. Ironic isn't it that Vermont has also one of the CONSISTENLY lowest crime rates of all the 50 states
So what exactly was your point with that dishonest strawman question ?
"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote in message news:b9edfc26-7cee-49a9-8b08-3cfbd11cfc24@m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com... # # Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were # invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved. # # Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural # right of any creature.
So let's make it simple for you If self-defense is a right Then it follows that preparing for self-defense is also covered by that right Then it follows that any tool used for self-defense is part of that right Then it follows that a gun being currently the most effective tool for self-defense, is therefore part of that right Now wasn't that simple ?
> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote in message > news:b9edfc26-7cee-49a9-8b08-3cfbd11cfc24@m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com... > # > # Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were > # invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved. > # > # Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural > # right of any creature.
> So let's make it simple for you > If self-defense is a right > Then it follows that preparing for self-defense is also covered by that > right > Then it follows that any tool used for self-defense is part of that right > Then it follows that a gun being currently the most effective tool for > self-defense, is therefore part of that right > Now wasn't that simple ?
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide bans weapons.
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:10:26 +0000, Andrew Swallow
<am.swal...@btopenworld.com> wrote: >No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide >bans weapons.
That is obvious bs. Where did you get such an absurdity? Tell us just how you stab yourself with a pike? I suppose you can hurt your back picking up a machine gun, but that is a stretch. Actually there is the .25 pistol. Best that can be said about those is that if you shoot somebody with one, it will give a slight edge in the fistfight that will surely follow.
Richard Casady wrote: > On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:10:26 +0000, Andrew Swallow > <am.swal...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>> No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide >> bans weapons.
> That is obvious bs. Where did you get such an absurdity? Tell us just > how you stab yourself with a pike? I suppose you can hurt your back > picking up a machine gun, but that is a stretch. Actually there is the > .25 pistol. Best that can be said about those is that if you shoot > somebody with one, it will give a slight edge in the fistfight that > will surely follow.
> Casady
A pike can be dropped on your foot.
With such little knowledge of the safe handling of weapons in a fully armed society you are the chap that that needs *banning* from even touching weapons.
>> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote in message >> news:b9edfc26-7cee-49a9-8b08-3cfbd11cfc24@m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com... >> # >> # Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were >> # invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved. >> # >> # Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural >> # right of any creature.
>> So let's make it simple for you >> If self-defense is a right >> Then it follows that preparing for self-defense is also covered by that >> right >> Then it follows that any tool used for self-defense is part of that right >> Then it follows that a gun being currently the most effective tool for >> self-defense, is therefore part of that right >> Now wasn't that simple ?
>No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide >bans weapons.
Obviously one of those neo-primitives who truly believes that inanimate objects can actually be malevolent.
Eugene L Griessel
Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other 'sins' are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful-- just stupid.)
>> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote in message >> news:b9edfc26-7cee-49a9-8b08-3cfbd11cfc24@m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com... >> # >> # Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were >> # invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved. >> # >> # Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural >> # right of any creature.
>> So let's make it simple for you >> If self-defense is a right >> Then it follows that preparing for self-defense is also covered by that >> right >> Then it follows that any tool used for self-defense is part of that right >> Then it follows that a gun being currently the most effective tool for >> self-defense, is therefore part of that right >> Now wasn't that simple ?
> No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide > bans weapons.
LOL Talk about not being able to think your way out of a bag open at both ends...
1) You claim "Weapons are most likely to hurt your self" Do you have ANY data to support that claim ? And keep in mind, that a weapon is an INANIMATE OBJECT that is INCAPABLE of acting on it's own Take as many screens as you need
2) You also claim that "So the ban on suicide bans weapons." This is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE, UNSUPPORTED by ANY evidence. As a matter of fact, Christianity as banned simple suicide for thousands of years, and it has done NOTHING AT ALL to achieve ANY ban on weapons during that time.."
Maybe you need to THINK about this before you post again.
> Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> :SaPeIsMa wrote: > :> > :> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote in message > :> > news:b9edfc26-7cee-49a9-8b08-3cfbd11cfc24@m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com... > :> # > :> # Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were > :> # invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved. > :> # > :> # Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural > :> # right of any creature. > :> > :> So let's make it simple for you > :> If self-defense is a right > :> Then it follows that preparing for self-defense is also covered by that > :> right > :> Then it follows that any tool used for self-defense is part of that > right > :> Then it follows that a gun being currently the most effective tool for > :> self-defense, is therefore part of that right > :> Now wasn't that simple ? > :> > : > :No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. > :
> That's only true if you're an idiot. I can see why you're concerned > about it, but I'm not.
> Just think of it as evolution in action...
> -- > "Der Feige droht nur, wo er sicher ist." > --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
There's even an award to be won if you get it right....
Paul J. Adam wrote: > In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4...@bt.com>, Andrew Swallow > <am.swal...@btopenworld.com> writes >> No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide >> bans weapons.
> And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill > themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons when off duty.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:08:20 +0000, Andrew Swallow
<am.swal...@btopenworld.com> wrote: >Paul J. Adam wrote: >> In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4...@bt.com>, Andrew Swallow >> <am.swal...@btopenworld.com> writes >>> No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide >>> bans weapons.
>> And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill >> themselves with their firearms...?
>Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons >when off duty.
And why do traffic policemen have to put away their motorbikes when off duty?
Eugene L Griessel
If the pen is mightier than the sword and a picture is worth a thousand words, how dangerous is a Fax?
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