> :What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?

> Court Martial.

> :If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?

> It doesn't matter why he did it.  The charge will almost certainly be
> multiple counts of murder with special circumstances.

>>> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?

>> Court Martial.

>    Can he not request a Federal Court trial?

>>> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?

>> It doesn't matter why he did it. The charge will almost certainly be
>> multiple counts of murder with special circumstances.

>      Yep, you gotta figure 13 counts of 1st Degree and 30+ counts of
> Attempted 1st Degree should be enough.

>> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?
>> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?

> Ft Hood is a federal reservation and the shooter was active duty Army,
> the shot were active duty Army, mostly, and murder is a crime under
> the UCMJ, so I'd guess that the Army would get first crack at him.  At
> least one of the wounded was a Texas law enforcement officer, so Texas
> can get in on the act if it wants to.

> Bud

> >> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?
> >> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?

> > Ft Hood is a federal reservation and the shooter was active duty Army,
> > the shot were active duty Army, mostly, and murder is a crime under
> > the UCMJ, so I'd guess that the Army would get first crack at him.  At
> > least one of the wounded was a Texas law enforcement officer, so Texas
> > can get in on the act if it wants to.

> > Bud

> Nope. Strictly a Federal matter as it happened on a Federal reserve.
> I wonder why Texas Police were even on base? Military personal that are
> wanted by other then Federal authorities are usually delivered to the
> gate by Military Police. Also nonmilitary personal(Police) are required
> to check all weapons at the gate. Kudo's to that Female civilian officer
> that pumped 4 rounds into the killer and stopped further mayhem. I would
> guess the dead Police officer also got a shot or two in before being
> shot to death. Nancy Pelosi will more then likely work to ban any
> weapons on american soil after this.

> > William Hamblen wrote:
> > > On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:48:50 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
> > > <ohara...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> > >> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?
> > >> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?

> > > Ft Hood is a federal reservation and the shooter was active duty Army,
> > > the shot were active duty Army, mostly, and murder is a crime under
> > > the UCMJ, so I'd guess that the Army would get first crack at him.  At
> > > least one of the wounded was a Texas law enforcement officer, so Texas
> > > can get in on the act if it wants to.

> > > Bud

> > Nope. Strictly a Federal matter as it happened on a Federal reserve.
> > I wonder why Texas Police were even on base? Military personal that are
> > wanted by other then Federal authorities are usually delivered to the
> > gate by Military Police. Also nonmilitary personal(Police) are required
> > to check all weapons at the gate. Kudo's to that Female civilian officer
> > that pumped 4 rounds into the killer and stopped further mayhem. I would
> > guess the dead Police officer also got a shot or two in before being
> > shot to death. Nancy Pelosi will more then likely work to ban any
> > weapons on american soil after this.

> Considering his prior statements to various people about what he
> thought of non-muslims, could this be considered a "hate crime".

>>> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?
>>> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?

>> Ft Hood is a federal reservation and the shooter was active duty Army,
>> the shot were active duty Army, mostly, and murder is a crime under
>> the UCMJ, so I'd guess that the Army would get first crack at him.  At
>> least one of the wounded was a Texas law enforcement officer, so Texas
>> can get in on the act if it wants to.

>> Bud

> Nope. Strictly a Federal matter as it happened on a Federal reserve.
> I wonder why Texas Police were even on base? Military personal that are
> wanted by other then Federal authorities are usually delivered to the gate
> by Military Police. Also nonmilitary personal(Police) are required to
> check all weapons at the gate. Kudo's to that Female civilian officer that
> pumped 4 rounds into the killer and stopped further mayhem. I would guess
> the dead Police officer also got a shot or two in before being shot to
> death. Nancy Pelosi will more then likely work to ban any weapons on
> american soil after this.

>>>> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?

>>> Court Martial.

>>    Can he not request a Federal Court trial?

>>>> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?

>>> It doesn't matter why he did it. The charge will almost certainly be
>>> multiple counts of murder with special circumstances.

>>      Yep, you gotta figure 13 counts of 1st Degree and 30+ counts of
>> Attempted 1st Degree should be enough.

> He most certainly is looking at the death penalty.  I wonder if he will
> think it was all worth it in the end ...

> - nilita

>>>>> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?

>>>> Court Martial.

>>>    Can he not request a Federal Court trial?

>>>>> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?

>>>> It doesn't matter why he did it. The charge will almost certainly
>>>> be multiple counts of murder with special circumstances.

>>>      Yep, you gotta figure 13 counts of 1st Degree and 30+ counts of
>>> Attempted 1st Degree should be enough.

>> He most certainly is looking at the death penalty.  I wonder if he
>> will think it was all worth it in the end ...

>> - nilita

> I don't think he expected to survive when he started out yeaterday.

> Considering his prior statements to various people about what he
> thought of non-muslims, could this be considered a "hate crime".

>>>> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?
>>>> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?
>>> Ft Hood is a federal reservation and the shooter was active duty Army,
>>> the shot were active duty Army, mostly, and murder is a crime under
>>> the UCMJ, so I'd guess that the Army would get first crack at him.  At
>>> least one of the wounded was a Texas law enforcement officer, so Texas
>>> can get in on the act if it wants to.

>>> Bud
>> Nope. Strictly a Federal matter as it happened on a Federal reserve.
>> I wonder why Texas Police were even on base? Military personal that are
>> wanted by other then Federal authorities are usually delivered to the gate
>> by Military Police. Also nonmilitary personal(Police) are required to
>> check all weapons at the gate. Kudo's to that Female civilian officer that
>> pumped 4 rounds into the killer and stopped further mayhem. I would guess
>> the dead Police officer also got a shot or two in before being shot to
>> death. Nancy Pelosi will more then likely work to ban any weapons on
>> american soil after this.

> The wingnuts will claim that Pelosi will try .
> but that is to fool weak muinded dupes who vote republican
>  Nancy Pelosi can't overturn the Bill of Rights

>>>>>> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?
>>>>> Court Martial.

>>>>    Can he not request a Federal Court trial?

>>>>>> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?
>>>>> It doesn't matter why he did it. The charge will almost certainly
>>>>> be multiple counts of murder with special circumstances.

>>>>      Yep, you gotta figure 13 counts of 1st Degree and 30+ counts of
>>>> Attempted 1st Degree should be enough.
>>> He most certainly is looking at the death penalty.  I wonder if he
>>> will think it was all worth it in the end ...

>>> - nilita

>> I don't think he expected to survive when he started out yeaterday.

> If things had gone according to plan, about now he'd be lying in a hammock
> being spoonfed by 72 virgins next to a river of wine.

>>>>>>> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?
>>>>>> Court Martial.

>>>>>    Can he not request a Federal Court trial?

>>>>>>> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?
>>>>>> It doesn't matter why he did it. The charge will almost certainly
>>>>>> be multiple counts of murder with special circumstances.

>>>>>      Yep, you gotta figure 13 counts of 1st Degree and 30+ counts
>>>>> of Attempted 1st Degree should be enough.
>>>> He most certainly is looking at the death penalty.  I wonder if he
>>>> will think it was all worth it in the end ...

>>>> - nilita

>>> I don't think he expected to survive when he started out yeaterday.

>> If things had gone according to plan, about now he'd be lying in a
>> hammock being spoonfed by 72 virgins next to a river of wine.

> He is a Muslim. That wine has to be made from Honey. Called Meade.
> Nasty stuff.

>>>>>>>> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?
>>>>>>> Court Martial.
>>>>>>    Can he not request a Federal Court trial?

>>>>>>>> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?
>>>>>>> It doesn't matter why he did it. The charge will almost certainly
>>>>>>> be multiple counts of murder with special circumstances.

>>>>>>      Yep, you gotta figure 13 counts of 1st Degree and 30+ counts
>>>>>> of Attempted 1st Degree should be enough.
>>>>> He most certainly is looking at the death penalty.  I wonder if he
>>>>> will think it was all worth it in the end ...

>>>>> - nilita

>>>> I don't think he expected to survive when he started out yeaterday.
>>> If things had gone according to plan, about now he'd be lying in a
>>> hammock being spoonfed by 72 virgins next to a river of wine.
>> He is a Muslim. That wine has to be made from Honey. Called Meade.
>> Nasty stuff.

> Anyway, it might not even be a fundamentalist Muslim thing.  It could be
> that he is a psychiatrist who cracked under the stress of debriefing too
> many horror stories.  Because if the rumours are correct (and usually they
> aren't) and he was making all sorts of provocative internet postings, then
> WTF happened to the FBI that they hadn't busted him before now, as allegedly
> they were tracking his actions.  Anyway, he's not talking, and before long
> he'll be lawyered up and it will be a long time before people know "the
> truth".  A bigger concern, IMHO, is that already overstressed troops have
> this thrown on them.  The short and long term effects of this bloody act
> will have implications in force morale and capability, not to mention,
> political ramifications.  Obama has the toughest j*b in the world right now.
> As one commentator put it, "[America] is not a nation at war.  It's the
> troops who are at war."  For most Americans these ongoing trials in Iraq and
> Afghanistan are an abstract concept.  For those directly involved, including
> family members and loved ones, it is getting to be way too much.

> - nilita

>    Even in Big Mistake Two, when everyone in America was behind it, a
> lot of people cracked.  That's what combat does.  I saw an article
> somewhere on the net, by some psychiatrist immediately post-WWII,
> saying that about 220 days in combat is all even the strongest person
> can take. Again, they had everyone in America behind them 100%.  Now
> it's different, though not like Vietnam.

>         I agree with you on that one!  What's anyone seeing a psychiatrist
> in the military going to think now???  It's tough enough for them in the
> first place.  

>         People often go into the mental health field due to their own
> problems, and their training often doesn't resolve them sufficiently.  
> (Been there.)  

>         However, I don't think I've ever heard of a therapist going postal
> before!  

> >  The short and long term effects of this bloody act
> > will have implications in force morale and capability, not to mention,
> > political ramifications.  Obama has the toughest j*b in the world
> > right now. As one commentator put it, "[America] is not a nation at
> > war.  It's the troops who are at war."  For most Americans these
> > ongoing trials in Iraq and Afghanistan are an abstract concept.  For
> > those directly involved, including family members and loved ones, it
> > is getting to be way too much.

>         Amen!  I honestly don't see how those guys can take it.  

>         Even in Big Mistake Two, when everyone in America was behind it, a
> lot of people cracked.  That's what combat does.  I saw an article
> somewhere on the net, by some psychiatrist immediately post-WWII, saying
> that about 220 days in combat is all even the strongest person can take.  
> Again, they had everyone in America behind them 100%.  Now it's
> different, though not like Vietnam.  

> Dennis

> :
> :Anyway, it might not even be a fundamentalist Muslim thing.  It could be
> :that he is a psychiatrist who cracked under the stress of debriefing too
> :many horror stories.  
> :

> Yeah, he's just a poor, abused baby and it's the evil war's fault.  

> >>> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?

> >> Court Martial.

> >    Can he not request a Federal Court trial?

> >>> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?

> >> It doesn't matter why he did it. The charge will almost certainly be
> >> multiple counts of murder with special circumstances.

> >      Yep, you gotta figure 13 counts of 1st Degree and 30+ counts of
> > Attempted 1st Degree should be enough.

> He most certainly is looking at the death penalty.  I wonder if he will
> think it was all worth it in the end ...

> - nilita

> Do you seriously believe a psychiatrist who is also a major in the US
> army is that unsophisticated?

> --
> William Black

> "Any number under six"

> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
> Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
> single handed with a quarterstaff.

>> Considering his prior statements to various people about what he
>> thought of non-muslims, could this be considered a "hate crime".

> Thats a scary thought. They can only give you the death penalty for
> the murders... But a hate crime... Lord have mercy....

> > Frogwatch wrote:
> >> On Nov 6, 9:08 pm, Alexander <Alexan...@thegreat.org> wrote:
> >>> William Hamblen wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:48:50 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
> >>>> <ohara...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>>>> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?
> >>>>> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges be?
> >>>> Ft Hood is a federal reservation and the shooter was active duty
> >>>> Army, the shot were active duty Army, mostly, and murder is a crime
> >>>> under the UCMJ, so I'd guess that the Army would get first crack at
> >>>> him.  At least one of the wounded was a Texas law enforcement
> >>>> officer, so Texas can get in on the act if it wants to.
> >>>> Bud
> >>> Nope. Strictly a Federal matter as it happened on a Federal reserve.
> >>> I wonder why Texas Police were even on base? Military personal that
> >>> are wanted by other then Federal authorities are usually delivered
> >>> to the gate by Military Police. Also nonmilitary personal(Police)
> >>> are required to check all weapons at the gate. Kudo's to that Female
> >>> civilian officer that pumped 4 rounds into the killer and stopped
> >>> further mayhem. I would guess the dead Police officer also got a
> >>> shot or two in before being shot to death. Nancy Pelosi will more
> >>> then likely work to ban any weapons on american soil after this.

> >> Considering his prior statements to various people about what he
> >> thought of non-muslims, could this be considered a "hate crime".

> > Thats a scary thought. They can only give you the death penalty for
> > the murders... But a hate crime... Lord have mercy....

> Of COURSE it was a hate crime.The entire Islam thing is about hate.

> All that stuff about PTSD and harassment is BS,just a lame attempt at
> excusing his behavior. Who harasses a MAJOR?

> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> localnet
> dot com

>>>>>>>>> What jurisdiction would the shooter be tried in?
>>>>>>>> Court Martial.
>>>>>>>    Can he not request a Federal Court trial?

>>>>>>>>> If he did this for political motives, what might the charges
>>>>>>>>> be?
>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter why he did it. The charge will almost
>>>>>>>> certainly be multiple counts of murder with special
>>>>>>>> circumstances.

>>>>>>>      Yep, you gotta figure 13 counts of 1st Degree and 30+
>>>>>>>      counts
>>>>>>> of Attempted 1st Degree should be enough.
>>>>>> He most certainly is looking at the death penalty.  I wonder if
>>>>>> he will think it was all worth it in the end ...

>>>>>> - nilita

>>>>> I don't think he expected to survive when he started out
>>>>> yeaterday.
>>>> If things had gone according to plan, about now he'd be lying in a
>>>> hammock being spoonfed by 72 virgins next to a river of wine.
>>> He is a Muslim. That wine has to be made from Honey. Called Meade.
>>> Nasty stuff.

>> Anyway, it might not even be a fundamentalist Muslim thing.  

>> - nilita

> Well one thing for sure. He is not going to be deployed to the Middle
> East.