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quasi  
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 More options Oct 7, 12:23 am
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From: quasi <qu...@null.set>
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:23:38 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 7 2008 12:23 am
Subject: -- boundary of an open set
If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
boundary of U contain a nontrivial path?

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quasi  
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 More options Oct 7, 5:50 am
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From: quasi <qu...@null.set>
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:50:23 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 7 2008 5:50 am
Subject: Re: -- boundary of an open set

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:23:38 -0400, quasi <qu...@null.set> wrote:
>If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
>boundary of U contain a nontrivial path?

If the answer to my question above is "yes", then perhaps we can try
for more:

If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
boundary of U contain a subset which is homeomorphic to R^(n-1)?

quasi


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William Elliot  
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 More options Oct 7, 11:13 am
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From: William Elliot <ma...@hevanet.remove.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:13:08 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 7 2008 11:13 am
Subject: Re: -- boundary of an open set

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, quasi wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:23:38 -0400, quasi <qu...@null.set> wrote:

> >If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
> >boundary of U contain a nontrivial path?

> If the answer to my question above is "yes", then perhaps we can try
> for more:

> If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
> boundary of U contain a subset which is homeomorphic to R^(n-1)?

No.  Any open half plane.

No, even if the open set is bounded.

The set inclosed by the topologist's sin curve nipping it's tail.


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José Carlos Santos  
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 More options Oct 7, 1:35 pm
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From: José Carlos Santos <jcsan...@fc.up.pt>
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:35:11 +0100
Local: Tues, Oct 7 2008 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: -- boundary of an open set
On 07-10-2008 7:13, William Elliot wrote:

>>> If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
>>> boundary of U contain a nontrivial path?
>> If the answer to my question above is "yes", then perhaps we can try
>> for more:

>> If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
>> boundary of U contain a subset which is homeomorphic to R^(n-1)?

> No.  Any open half plane.

Are you saying that the boundary of an open half plane (in R^2, I
suppose) does not contain a subset which is homeomorphic to R? But the
boundary itself *is* homeomorphic to R!

> No, even if the open set is bounded.

> The set inclosed by the topologist's sin curve nipping it's tail.

And you claim that "the topologist's sin curve nipping it's tail" has no
subset homeomorphic to R?

Best regards,

Jose Carlos Santos


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quasi  
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 More options Oct 7, 2:27 pm
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From: quasi <qu...@null.set>
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:27:34 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 7 2008 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: -- boundary of an open set
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:13:08 -0700, William Elliot

<ma...@hevanet.remove.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, quasi wrote:

>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:23:38 -0400, quasi <qu...@null.set> wrote:

>> >If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
>> >boundary of U contain a nontrivial path?

>> If the answer to my question above is "yes", then perhaps we can try
>> for more:

>> If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
>> boundary of U contain a subset which is homeomorphic to R^(n-1)?

>No.  Any open half plane.

What are you talking about?

The boundary of a half plane in R^2 is a line, hence is homeomorphic
to R^1.

>No, even if the open set is bounded.

>The set inclosed by the topologist's sin curve nipping it's tail.

I think you misread the question.

Although I'm not sure precisely which open set you are suggesting, let
me point out that topologist's sine curve, with or without its tail,
certainly has a _subset_ which is homeomorphic to R^1.

quasi


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William Elliot  
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 More options Oct 7, 3:12 pm
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From: William Elliot <ma...@hevanet.remove.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 03:12:08 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 7 2008 3:12 pm
Subject: Re: -- boundary of an open set

Yes.  I misread R^(n-1) as S^(n-1).

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William Elliot  
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 More options Oct 7, 3:26 pm
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From: William Elliot <ma...@hevanet.remove.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 03:26:21 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 7 2008 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: -- boundary of an open set
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, quasi wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:23:38 -0400, quasi <qu...@null.set> wrote:

> >If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
> >boundary of U contain a nontrivial path?

> If the answer to my question above is "yes", then perhaps we can try
> for more:

> If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
> boundary of U contain a subset which is homeomorphic to R^(n-1)?

If U is not empty, not dense subset of R,
then bd U has a subset homeomorphic to R^0.

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 More options Oct 7, 3:34 pm
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From: quasi <qu...@null.set>
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:34:54 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 7 2008 3:34 pm
Subject: Re: -- boundary of an open set
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 03:26:21 -0700, William Elliot

<ma...@hevanet.remove.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, quasi wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:23:38 -0400, quasi <qu...@null.set> wrote:

>> >If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
>> >boundary of U contain a nontrivial path?

>> If the answer to my question above is "yes", then perhaps we can try
>> for more:

>> If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
>> boundary of U contain a subset which is homeomorphic to R^(n-1)?

>If U is not empty, not dense subset of R,
>then bd U has a subset homeomorphic to R^0.

True, I didn't need to require n > 1.

In fact, I was aware of that, but chose to consider only the
nontrivial cases (i.e. n > 1).

quasi


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William Elliot  
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 More options Oct 8, 9:26 am
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From: William Elliot <ma...@hevanet.remove.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:26:58 -0700
Local: Wed, Oct 8 2008 9:26 am
Subject: Re: -- boundary of an open set
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, quasi wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:23:38 -0400, quasi <qu...@null.set> wrote:

> >If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
> >boundary of U contain a nontrivial path?

> If the answer to my question above is "yes", then perhaps we can try
> for more:

> If U is a nonempty, non-dense open subset of R^n, with n > 1, must the
> boundary of U contain a subset which is homeomorphic to R^(n-1)?

What if the boundary is a fractile?
What if the open set is the interior of the Snowflake curve?

What if the boundary is a loop of Brownian motion?
Hm, what would the interior look like?


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 More options Oct 8, 5:09 pm
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From: "G. A. Edgar" <ed...@math.ohio-state.edu.invalid>
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:09:46 -0400
Local: Wed, Oct 8 2008 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: -- boundary of an open set
In article <Pine.BSI.4.58.0810072122530.3...@vista.hevanet.com>,

These are not counterexamples (where "path" means "homeomorphic image
of [0,1]") but I expect there are counterexamples.  Maybe in Steen &
Seebach...

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G. A. Edgar                              http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~edgar/


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