> So the Democrats suffered stinging losses in both VA and NJ. I read > this as a rebuke to the Democratic Party from the "Independents" who > won those states for Obama. Instead of change they got the muddled, > corporate suck-up politics of Reid, Pelosi and Obama. They voted for > an administration that would put fairness ahead of corporate politics > and disdain the Bush executive powergrab. But Gitmo is still open for > business, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continue to accelerate, the > Democrats pass yet another record funding bill for the military, gays > are still second-class citizens when they serve our country, Obama > kicked off the White House with a backroom deal to guarantee Big > Pharma continues to make record profits off the American consumer...
There's a grain of truth to this. When independents vote for change, they expect change, and they expect it now. The Dems have been dismal at executing their agenda so far.
The other part of the same picture is that base turnout was down in an election that was meaningless to it. Who on the left is going to work his ass off for Creigh Deeds or Jon Corzine? When the Dems can't do a better job of distinguishing themselves from the less radical members of the GOP, they should expect to lose.
> When St. Peter lets you know that you're going to hell, > remember that you called the leader of the free world > in WWII a fascist. I remember a time when a guy could > get his ass kicked at the American Legion hall for > spouting shit like that.
.. or sent to a concentration camp. and heck you didn't even have to call the president a fascist - all you had to be was of japanese ancestry.
-- "if federal judges have the final word over its meaning, the Constitution would be a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please".
>> When St. Peter lets you know that you're going to hell, >> remember that you called the leader of the free world >> in WWII a fascist. I remember a time when a guy could >> get his ass kicked at the American Legion hall for >> spouting shit like that.
> .. or sent to a concentration camp. and heck you didn't even have to > call the president a fascist - all you had to be was of japanese ancestry.
As immoral as that was, comparing FDR to Mussolini is an ass-kicking-worthy thing.
On Nov 4, 2:54 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> stephenJ wrote, On 11/4/09 3:43 PM:
> > > Chris Bellomy wrote:
> >> When St. Peter lets you know that you're going to hell, > >> remember that you called the leader of the free world > >> in WWII a fascist. I remember a time when a guy could > >> get his ass kicked at the American Legion hall for > >> spouting shit like that.
> > .. or sent to a concentration camp. and heck you didn't even have to > > call the president a fascist - all you had to be was of japanese ancestry.
> As immoral as that was, comparing FDR to Mussolini is an > ass-kicking-worthy thing.
Yes, it was amazing how FDR somehow managed to run roughshod over the huge storms of protest from the Repubublican Party and the military commanders over Japanese internment. That FDR sure was a rogue fascist!@!1! *guffaw*
> > So the Democrats suffered stinging losses in both VA and NJ. I read > > this as a rebuke to the Democratic Party from the "Independents" who > > won those states for Obama. Instead of change they got the muddled, > > corporate suck-up politics of Reid, Pelosi and Obama. They voted for > > an administration that would put fairness ahead of corporate politics > > and disdain the Bush executive powergrab. But Gitmo is still open for > > business, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continue to accelerate, the > > Democrats pass yet another record funding bill for the military, gays > > are still second-class citizens when they serve our country, Obama > > kicked off the White House with a backroom deal to guarantee Big > > Pharma continues to make record profits off the American consumer...
> There's a grain of truth to this. When independents vote > for change, they expect change, and they expect it now. > The Dems have been dismal at executing their agenda so > far.
> The other part of the same picture is that base turnout > was down in an election that was meaningless to it. Who > on the left is going to work his ass off for Creigh Deeds > or Jon Corzine? When the Dems can't do a better job of > distinguishing themselves from the less radical members > of the GOP, they should expect to lose.
> cb
A grain??? There's a whole silo full of truth. If Democrats (I heard Creigh Deeds is supposed to be one) run by pretending to not be Democrats then yeah, theyll lose every time.
Forget which it was, Virginia or NJ, one of 'em, in the 2008 election 18-30s made up 17% of the electorate. Last night it was 9%. Promise people something and then don't come through, yeah, the turnout will drop drastically and they'll lose every time.
Fierce Urgency of Now? No, not really. "Maybe Next Year" is the new slogan of the Democratic Party and *that* is why there's trouble ahead.
> On Nov 4, 1:41 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> > Huck Kennedy wrote, On 11/4/09 3:27 PM:
> > > So the Democrats suffered stinging losses in both VA and NJ. I read > > > this as a rebuke to the Democratic Party from the "Independents" who > > > won those states for Obama. Instead of change they got the muddled, > > > corporate suck-up politics of Reid, Pelosi and Obama. They voted for > > > an administration that would put fairness ahead of corporate politics > > > and disdain the Bush executive powergrab. But Gitmo is still open for > > > business, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continue to accelerate, the > > > Democrats pass yet another record funding bill for the military, gays > > > are still second-class citizens when they serve our country, Obama > > > kicked off the White House with a backroom deal to guarantee Big > > > Pharma continues to make record profits off the American consumer...
> > There's a grain of truth to this. When independents vote > > for change, they expect change, and they expect it now. > > The Dems have been dismal at executing their agenda so > > far.
> > The other part of the same picture is that base turnout > > was down in an election that was meaningless to it. Who > > on the left is going to work his ass off for Creigh Deeds > > or Jon Corzine? When the Dems can't do a better job of > > distinguishing themselves from the less radical members > > of the GOP, they should expect to lose.
> > cb
> A grain??? There's a whole silo full of truth. If Democrats (I heard > Creigh Deeds is supposed to be one) run by pretending to not be > Democrats then yeah, theyll lose every time.
On Nov 4, 12:56 pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
> lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote in news:1bcaf566-37a6-484b-86bd- > 2ab199287...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
> > The teabag movement is an anti-big-government, antiicorporate > > takeover, anti-blowing-up-the-debt movement. Not a social > > conservatism movement.
> Just keep telling yourself that lie.
It may morph into social conservatism as there are social conservatives involved, but thus far it has been largely a fiscal conservative movement.
> > > > On Nov 3, 10:45 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote: > > > >> lein wrote, On 11/4/09 12:08 AM:
> > > >> > On Nov 3, 9:16 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote: > > > >> >> lein wrote, On 11/3/09 11:15 PM:
> > > >> >>> On Nov 3, 9:05 pm, honkifyoulovejustice > > > >> >>> <the.tick.honkifyoulovejust...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> >>>> On Nov 3, 8:38 pm, "Highway 66" <kduv...@charter.net> wrote: > > > >> >>>>> "Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote in message > > > >> >>>>>news:yc-dnV7m9aYMnmzXnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@supernews.com... > > > >> >>>>>> New York's 23rd Congressional District goes to the Democrats > > > >> >>>>>> for the first time since the Whigs were the other party. > > > >> >>>>>> And with that, the Dems' majority in the House actually > > > >> >>>>>> increases a seat. > > > >> >>>>>> cb > > > >> >>>>> Humm .. I'm watching all the news networks and no one has > > > >> >>>>> called th > > > > at race > > > >> >>>>> yet? If the Dem does win that race then you can enjoy your > > > >> >>>>> consolat > > > > ion > > > >> >>>>> prize! Bwahahahahaha!!! > > > >> >>>> NY-23 was supposed to be a beachhead for the Wingnut Party, a > > > >> >>>> historically safe GOP district where the nouveau-right > > > >> >>>> carpetbaggers could come in, plant their flag and wedge one of > > > >> >>>> their own into the Congress. The GOP rolled over and played > > > >> >>>> dead, giving in to the wingnut outsiders who tried to run on the > > > >> >>>> tired old teabagger issues > > > > . > > > >> >>>> And as a result, a red seat went blue for the first time in 140 > > > >> >>>> year > > > > s, > > > >> >>>> despite the push by Palin and Limbaugh, and the last-minute > > > >> >>>> fellatio > > > > n > > > >> >>>> by Newt Gingrich. > > > >> >>>> If that's a consolation prize, send me a whole truckload of 'em, > > > >> >>>> 'cause they're mighty tasty! > > > >> >>> What NY-23 was a rejection of the establishment "lets be like > > > >> >>> Democrats" Republicans choosing who would represent them in the > > > >> >>> election. This will be good for the party as the Republican > > > >> >>> voter > > > > s > > > >> >>> will actually get to pick a candidate of their choosing next > > > >> >>> spring, one that doesn't support Cap and Trade, card check, etc. > > > >> >>> Had t > > > > he > > > >> >>> RINO won, she would have likely been unopposed in the primary. > > > >> >> Shorter Lein: "This election made it possible for the > > > >> >> teabaggers to find some other moron to fumble away a > > > >> >> sure GOP seat to the Democrats."
> > > >> > Actually it means the Republicans will have a primary next year and > > > >> > can actually remake the party into something other that the > > > >> > status-quo Democrat lite party.
> > > >> ...at which point it will attract even fewer voters!
> > > >> Also, the Conservative Party will have their own nominee if the > > > >> GOP doesn't play nice. Right, John?
> > > > Nope, Hoffman will be able to run in the Republican primary. > > > > Republicans generally don't win as left wingers - the county chairs > > > > who selected what's her name should be taken out and flogged.
> > > Hoffman couldn't win as an independent with no Republican in the race - why > > > do you think he suddenly is a better candidate as a Republican?
> > > >> I'm just trying to see why I shouldn't be endlessly smug > > > >> and annoying about this.
> > > > Because given the out-right domination of Republicans in Virginia and > > > > Jersey, its all you have.
> > > Jersey - RINO (at least in teabaggers viewpoint) beats Democrat.
> > Anti tax and anti government growth (i.e., opposes turning NJ into > > another Michigan)
> > > Virginia - Teabagger acceptable conservative goes out of his way to not > > > ever mention his social conservatism in campaign to win.
> > Funny because McDonnell has repeatedly claimed to be pro-life and > > supports traditional marriage.
> > > I'd call it a win for the Republican party, but a pretty big loss for the > > > teabagger "they're not Republican enough" crowd.
> > The teabag movement is an anti-big-government, antiicorporate > > takeover, anti-blowing-up-the-debt movement. Not a social > > conservatism movement.
> So they'd support a pro-choice candidate who was fiscally > conservative?
They might, provided the candidate didn't want the feds to pay for any and all abortions. Pro-abortion is a bigger litmus test for Democrats than it is for Republicans.
On Nov 4, 8:51 pm, Matthew Hennig <ma...@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote:
> Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote in news:yc- > dnV7m9aYMnmzXnZ2dnUVZ_uadn...@supernews.com:
> > New York's 23rd Congressional District goes to the Democrats > > for the first time since the Whigs were the other party.
> > And with that, the Dems' majority in the House actually > > increases a seat.
> And in other news, Obama and the Democrats were handed losses of the > office of governor in Virginia and New Rsfckin' Jersey...
> After Obama spent alot of time and energy particularly in Jersey...
is the gop seriously taking this as any sort of sign? People in new jersey are absolutely fed up with the massive corruption in state government........obama could be christ himself and have an approval rating of 98% and he couldnt have swung new jersey.......
yesterday was a non-issue completely. There were 3 races....1 in a blue area, 1 in a red area, and one in a purple area....the gop won the one in the blue area, the dems won the one in the red area, and then the gop won the one in the purple area because they simply had a much better candidate.....
but anyone trying to take any larger message from three races like that is delusional.....if I were the gop, Id be more concerned about the complete and total lack of possible 2012 presedential contenders.....I mean sheesh, you guys need to really try to find a few party leaders who could be national figures not named sarah palin (who is 1000000% unelectable)
> -- > Ten of Spades > Aggee Fedayeen Chief > Supreme Ruler of the Obvious > RSFC Rookie of the Year 2005 > Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006
> "We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got > outcoached." > - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
> On Nov 4, 8:51 pm, Matthew Hennig <ma...@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote: >> Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote in news:yc- >> dnV7m9aYMnmzXnZ2dnUVZ_uadn...@supernews.com:
>> > New York's 23rd Congressional District goes to the Democrats >> > for the first time since the Whigs were the other party.
>> > And with that, the Dems' majority in the House actually >> > increases a seat.
>> And in other news, Obama and the Democrats were handed losses of the >> office of governor in Virginia and New Rsfckin' Jersey...
>> After Obama spent alot of time and energy particularly in Jersey...
> is the gop seriously taking this as any sort of sign? People in new > jersey are absolutely fed up with the massive corruption in state > government........obama could be christ himself and have an approval > rating of 98% and he couldnt have swung new jersey.......
> yesterday was a non-issue completely. There were 3 races....1 in a > blue area, 1 in a red area, and one in a purple area....the gop won > the one in the blue area, the dems won the one in the red area, and > then the gop won the one in the purple area because they simply had a > much better candidate.....
> but anyone trying to take any larger message from three races like > that is delusional.....if I were the gop, Id be more concerned about > the complete and total lack of possible 2012 presedential > contenders.....I mean sheesh, you guys need to really try to find a > few party leaders who could be national figures not named sarah palin > (who is 1000000% unelectable)
You sound a little scared. Are you scared?
MH
-- Ten of Spades Aggee Fedayeen Chief Supreme Ruler of the Obvious RSFC Rookie of the Year 2005 Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006
"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got outcoached." - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
> mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote in news:42f3e584-7e01-47be- > 9e1e-373a3d87b...@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> > On Nov 4, 8:51 pm, Matthew Hennig <ma...@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote: > >> Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote in news:yc- > >> dnV7m9aYMnmzXnZ2dnUVZ_uadn...@supernews.com:
> >> > New York's 23rd Congressional District goes to the Democrats > >> > for the first time since the Whigs were the other party.
> >> > And with that, the Dems' majority in the House actually > >> > increases a seat.
> >> And in other news, Obama and the Democrats were handed losses of the > >> office of governor in Virginia and New Rsfckin' Jersey...
> >> After Obama spent alot of time and energy particularly in Jersey...
> > is the gop seriously taking this as any sort of sign? People in new > > jersey are absolutely fed up with the massive corruption in state > > government........obama could be christ himself and have an approval > > rating of 98% and he couldnt have swung new jersey.......
> > yesterday was a non-issue completely. There were 3 races....1 in a > > blue area, 1 in a red area, and one in a purple area....the gop won > > the one in the blue area, the dems won the one in the red area, and > > then the gop won the one in the purple area because they simply had a > > much better candidate.....
> > but anyone trying to take any larger message from three races like > > that is delusional.....if I were the gop, Id be more concerned about > > the complete and total lack of possible 2012 presedential > > contenders.....I mean sheesh, you guys need to really try to find a > > few party leaders who could be national figures not named sarah palin > > (who is 1000000% unelectable)
> You sound a little scared. Are you scared?
of who and what? Neither me nor you is a resident of virginia or new jersey, so the gub races there mean very little to either of us......the only race that has even minor impact on us(minor because it's 1 out of 435) actually went dem in a conservative district........
Im scared about health care reform. Im guessing you are too. Other than that, Im certainly not fearing the gop.......
> -- > Ten of Spades > Aggee Fedayeen Chief > Supreme Ruler of the Obvious > RSFC Rookie of the Year 2005 > Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006
> "We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got > outcoached." > - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002- Hide quoted text -
> mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote in news:42f3e584-7e01-47be- > 9e1e-373a3d87b...@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> > On Nov 4, 8:51 pm, Matthew Hennig <ma...@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote: > >> Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote in news:yc- > >> dnV7m9aYMnmzXnZ2dnUVZ_uadn...@supernews.com:
> >> > New York's 23rd Congressional District goes to the Democrats > >> > for the first time since the Whigs were the other party.
> >> > And with that, the Dems' majority in the House actually > >> > increases a seat.
> >> And in other news, Obama and the Democrats were handed losses of the > >> office of governor in Virginia and New Rsfckin' Jersey...
> >> After Obama spent alot of time and energy particularly in Jersey...
> > is the gop seriously taking this as any sort of sign? People in new > > jersey are absolutely fed up with the massive corruption in state > > government........obama could be christ himself and have an approval > > rating of 98% and he couldnt have swung new jersey.......
> > yesterday was a non-issue completely. There were 3 races....1 in a > > blue area, 1 in a red area, and one in a purple area....the gop won > > the one in the blue area, the dems won the one in the red area, and > > then the gop won the one in the purple area because they simply had a > > much better candidate.....
> > but anyone trying to take any larger message from three races like > > that is delusional.....if I were the gop, Id be more concerned about > > the complete and total lack of possible 2012 presedential > > contenders.....I mean sheesh, you guys need to really try to find a > > few party leaders who could be national figures not named sarah palin > > (who is 1000000% unelectable)
> You sound a little scared. Are you scared?
> MH
> -- > Ten of Spades > Aggee Fedayeen Chief > Supreme Ruler of the Obvious > RSFC Rookie of the Year 2005 > Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006
> "We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got > outcoached." > - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
actually there's bad news for both parties in last night's results. Democrats are blowing it. There was a mandate for change and Obama and his team let the air out slowly. Now we're seeing resentment from rank and file Democrats. Meanwhile the Republicans are going to end up with losing candidates who are pure enough for the fringers.
I'm picturing contests all across America between phony hope- puncturing Democrats and insane wingnuts. Wow. That'll be depressing.
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:31:13 -0600, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> > wrote: >> New York's 23rd Congressional District goes to the Democrats >> for the first time since the Whigs were the other party.
>> And with that, the Dems' majority in the House actually >> increases a seat.
>> cb
> It's like the blue Senator from Alaska. It will be corrected ASAP. To > hop on this, you must be sensing the coming doom.
Yeah, why else would I laugh out loud at the GOP's mouthbreather caucus fumbling away a sure seat for them?
> Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote in news:yc- > dnV7m9aYMnmzXnZ2dnUVZ_uadn...@supernews.com:
>> New York's 23rd Congressional District goes to the Democrats >> for the first time since the Whigs were the other party.
>> And with that, the Dems' majority in the House actually >> increases a seat.
> And in other news, Obama and the Democrats were handed losses of the > office of governor in Virginia and New Rsfckin' Jersey...
You mean our unpopular candidates lost? Shocking.
I'm glad they lost. Not so much out of some sort of eleven- dimensional political chess, but just because one-party rule blows. Let the Republicans have a turn in those states, it helps keep fresh blood coming into the system.
> On Nov 4, 2:54 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> > stephenJ wrote, On 11/4/09 3:43 PM:
> > > > Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > >> When St. Peter lets you know that you're going to hell, > > >> remember that you called the leader of the free world > > >> in WWII a fascist. I remember a time when a guy could > > >> get his ass kicked at the American Legion hall for > > >> spouting shit like that.
> > > .. or sent to a concentration camp. and heck you didn't even have to > > > call the president a fascist - all you had to be was of japanese ancestry. > > As immoral as that was, comparing FDR to Mussolini is an > > ass-kicking-worthy thing. > Yes, it was amazing how FDR somehow managed to run roughshod > over the huge storms of protest from the Repubublican Party and the > military commanders over Japanese internment. That FDR sure was a > rogue fascist!@!1! *guffaw*
Interesting POV. A leader who puts people in concentration camps can't be a fascist unless those who stood against his policies did so with a certain level of zeal? Wow.
On Nov 4, 8:22 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > So they'd support a pro-choice candidate who was fiscally > > conservative?
> They might, provided the candidate didn't want the feds to pay for any > and all abortions. Pro-abortion is a bigger litmus test for Democrats > than it is for Republicans.
You think a pro-choice politician could have a chance in hell of being chairman of the RNC or ther leader in the senate?
Google Beta User wrote: > On Nov 4, 3:35 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>> I'd call it a win for the Republican party, but a pretty big loss for the >>> teabagger "they're not Republican enough" crowd. >> The teabag movement is an anti-big-government, antiicorporate >> takeover, anti-blowing-up-the-debt movement. Not a social >> conservatism movement.
> LOL
LOL all you want but the teabaggers are snowballing in record numbers!
<theLetterKandtheNumeral4-...@unclaimedmysteries.net> wrote: > Google Beta User wrote: > > On Nov 4, 3:35 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >>> I'd call it a win for the Republican party, but a pretty big loss for the > >>> teabagger "they're not Republican enough" crowd. > >> The teabag movement is an anti-big-government, antiicorporate > >> takeover, anti-blowing-up-the-debt movement. Not a social > >> conservatism movement.
> > LOL
> LOL all you want but the teabaggers are snowballing in record numbers!
On Nov 5, 9:04 am, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 3:35 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > I'd call it a win for the Republican party, but a pretty big loss for the > > > teabagger "they're not Republican enough" crowd. > > The teabag movement is an anti-big-government, antiicorporate > > takeover, anti-blowing-up-the-debt movement. Not a social > > conservatism movement. > LOL
1. I bet the majority of the Tea Party folks are "social conservatives." 2. I know its founding and continuation has nothing to do with "social conservativism."
> Google Beta User wrote: >> On Nov 4, 3:35 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>> I'd call it a win for the Republican party, but a pretty big loss >>>> for the >>>> teabagger "they're not Republican enough" crowd. >>> The teabag movement is an anti-big-government, antiicorporate >>> takeover, anti-blowing-up-the-debt movement. Not a social >>> conservatism movement.
>> LOL
> LOL all you want but the teabaggers are snowballing in record numbers!
Can I send you the bill for the replacement monitor?
> On Nov 4, 5:00 pm, Huck Kennedy <tempeh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 4, 2:54 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> > > stephenJ wrote, On 11/4/09 3:43 PM:
> > > > > Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > > >> When St. Peter lets you know that you're going to hell, > > > >> remember that you called the leader of the free world > > > >> in WWII a fascist. I remember a time when a guy could > > > >> get his ass kicked at the American Legion hall for > > > >> spouting shit like that.
> > > > .. or sent to a concentration camp. and heck you didn't even have to > > > > call the president a fascist - all you had to be was of japanese ancestry. > > > As immoral as that was, comparing FDR to Mussolini is an > > > ass-kicking-worthy thing. > > Yes, it was amazing how FDR somehow managed to run roughshod > > over the huge storms of protest from the Repubublican Party and the > > military commanders over Japanese internment. That FDR sure was a > > rogue fascist!@!1! *guffaw*
> Interesting POV. A leader who puts people in concentration camps > can't be a fascist unless those who stood against his policies did so > with a certain level of zeal? Wow.
> -Tom Enright
> > Huck
I'm absolutely convinced that you would have agreed with FDR at the time, unless you wanted some stronger measure taken.
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