> > The issue is not discrimination, it's governing by referendum, which > > is not advisable.
> It has its strengths and weaknesses. This was an example of a > 'strength'.
You feel that way only because it supported your view. You would be screaming and how stupid maine's voters were if it went the other way. Look at how referendums crippled california's budget. Wording of referendums is always controversial. There is no debate. You can put things on the ballot that violate the constitution. I don't support them even if they are in line with my views.
Jaybyrd wrote: > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, StephenJ <sjar...@cox.net> wrote: >> On Nov 4, 6:36 am, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 4, 1:08 am, Tonawanda Kardex <tonawandakar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33609492/ns/politics-more_politics/ >>>> Discrimination is alive and well! >>> The issue is not discrimination, it's governing by referendum, which >>> is not advisable. >> It has its strengths and weaknesses. This was an example of a >> 'strength'.
> You feel that way only because it supported your view. > You would be screaming and how stupid maine's voters were if it went the other > way.
Don't conflate two distinct issues: I screamed how stupid the USA's voters were last year when they voted to elect Obama President, but that doesn't mean i oppose the electoral process that resulted in his election. Quite the opposite.
> Look at how referendums crippled california's budget.
The budget in California is crippled for the same reason it gets crippled elsewhere: legislators who insist on spending more than their allowed revenues permit.
-- "The partisan differences that emerged in 1972 were not caused by any sudden increase in the religious and cultural traditionalism of the Republican activists but instead by the pervasive secularism and cultural liberalism of the Democratic supporters of George McGovern."
> Jaybyrd wrote: > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, StephenJ <sjar...@cox.net> wrote: > >> On Nov 4, 6:36 am, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Nov 4, 1:08 am, Tonawanda Kardex <tonawandakar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33609492/ns/politics-more_politics/ > >>>> Discrimination is alive and well! > >>> The issue is not discrimination, it's governing by referendum, which > >>> is not advisable. > >> It has its strengths and weaknesses. This was an example of a > >> 'strength'.
> > You feel that way only because it supported your view. > > You would be screaming and how stupid maine's voters were if it went the other > > way.
> Don't conflate two distinct issues: I screamed how stupid the USA's > voters were last year when they voted to elect Obama President, but that > doesn't mean i oppose the electoral process that resulted in his > election. Quite the opposite.
> > Look at how referendums crippled california's budget.
> The budget in California is crippled for the same reason it gets > crippled elsewhere: legislators who insist on spending more than their > allowed revenues permit.
and for much of their budget their hands are tied because of referendums. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!!!! was the battle cry. Now they have to live with it.
On Nov 4, 12:14 pm, Tonawanda Kardex <tonawandakar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 4:50 am, StephenJ <sjar...@cox.net> wrote: > > It has its strengths and weaknesses. This was an example of a > > 'strength'. > It is not a strength when people vote to violate the Constitution of > the United States.
> However, I am not worried; long-term, this bigotry and discrimination > will suffer the same fate as segregation did many years ago.
> Until then, it's nice to know who the bigots are well in advance of > that time.
Don't be so sure. Plenty of people, the President, a few SCOTUS judges, many powerful politicians still support bigotry and discrimination. The gay marriage folks have to win over the people AND the politicians. Currently, a majority of people are against the bigotry and discrimination supported by the current administration.
-Tom Enright
"Even on freedom of religion, Obama could not resist the compulsion to find fault with his own country: “For instance, in the United States, rules on charitable giving have made it harder for Muslims to fulfill their religious obligation” — disgracefully giving the impression to a foreign audience not versed in our laws that there is active discrimination against Muslims, when the only restriction, applied to all donors regardless of religion, is on funding charities that serve as fronts for terror."
Tonawanda Kardex wrote: > On Nov 4, 4:50 am, StephenJ <sjar...@cox.net> wrote: >> On Nov 4, 6:36 am, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 4, 1:08 am, Tonawanda Kardex <tonawandakar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33609492/ns/politics-more_politics/ >>>> Discrimination is alive and well! >>> The issue is not discrimination, it's governing by referendum, which >>> is not advisable. >> It has its strengths and weaknesses. This was an example of a >> 'strength'.
> It is not a strength when people vote to violate the Constitution of > the United States.
In principle, i agree. But in this particular case, it's probably not too likely that those who enacted the constitution intended for it to protect 'gay marriage rights', so your concern here is almost certainly unfounded.
Tonawanda Kardex wrote: > On Nov 4, 4:49 am, StephenJ <sjar...@cox.net> wrote: >> Since gay marriage is 0 for 31every time its been on ballots across >> the country, i guess the whole countries is "full of bigots", LOL.
>> Just about the whole world, for that matter.
>> PS - we're against incest marriages and polygamy too, so we're triply- >> bigoted.
> False analogies
Like what? Let me guess - you don't have a clue. LOL.
-- "when i visited Aden before collectivization, all the markets were full of fish product. After collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
lein wrote: > On Nov 3, 10:28 pm, "Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@realdomain.net> wrote: >> lein wrote: >>> On Nov 3, 10:08 pm, Tonawanda Kardex <tonawandakar...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33609492/ns/politics-more_politics/ >>>> Discrimination is alive and well! >>> Did Maine ever allow incestuous marriages? >> I warned you guys - give women the right to vote, the next thing you >> know you have pigs and cows in the polling stations.
> When have pigs and cows exercised free will and demanded the right to > vote?
I warned you guys - give women the right to vote, the next thing you know you have toddlers and adolescents in the polling stations.
<if that makes you feel better - I can also spell it out for you - your slippery slope argument is Teh Crap>
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