I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
On Nov 4, 7:01 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective > thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining > American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American > way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several > of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
> cb
Well, since the USSR no longer exists, you can't really go with them. Now, if we talk about POTENTIAL problems from 1945-1980s.......
> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective > thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining > American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
You got a real good point there. Wall Street is my pick.
> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American > way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
I think I see where your going and so far your dead on.
> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several > of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
> cb
sEven if I hadn't had met you, I see your point, but it has nothing to do with National Defense, but the undermining of the economy by families with power...Ie: JP Morgan ( Who many say personally stopped the first depression, and the Waltons, cause they killed and are still killing the American small business...EVEN FUCKING CASKETS....
National Defense is fine and doing well. Those of in the business now build for the future. Even without a contract or a customer, we are building stuff that will be needed and used and bought in the future. I could give examples, but I would get fired.
I will also put a disclaimer: that my company is pro active in this endeavor and shitty companies like Boeing, McDonald, and them commi Cowtown companies are just in it for the buck....They've proved it already.
Donut get me started, I have a head ache.
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> On Nov 4, 7:01 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote: >> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective >> thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining >> American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
>> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American >> way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
>> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several >> of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
> Well, since the USSR no longer exists, you can't really go with > them. Now, if we talk about POTENTIAL problems from 1945-1980s.......
I suppose you could substitute Al Qaeda and/or Saddam if you want. The same point should come across.
To be clear, though, I think neither Wall Street nor Walmart consciously set out to do the damage they've done. They just took advantage of the misplaced trust in the marketplace the American public has had since the Reagan years. Regardless of malice or the lack thereof, though, the damage is the same.
> > On Nov 4, 7:01 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote: > >> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective > >> thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining > >> American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
> >> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American > >> way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
> >> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several > >> of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
> > Well, since the USSR no longer exists, you can't really go with > > them. Now, if we talk about POTENTIAL problems from 1945-1980s.......
> I suppose you could substitute Al Qaeda and/or Saddam if > you want. The same point should come across.
> To be clear, though, I think neither Wall Street nor Walmart > consciously set out to do the damage they've done. They just > took advantage of the misplaced trust in the marketplace the > American public has had since the Reagan years. Regardless of > malice or the lack thereof, though, the damage is the same.
> cb
Big businesses have done this for over a century. Before that, it was the rich merchants and bankers. Before that, the royalty/nobility/ etc.
Take Wal-Mart. If enough people decided to quit shopping there, they'd either change or fold and someone/something else would step into the vacuum. Contrary to popular belief, there are small businesses that successfully compete with them.
Chris Bellomy, I've never been so impressed by your ability put all the words together as I was on 11/4/2009 in saying:
> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective > thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining > American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American > way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several > of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
> cb
These are questions about human nature, which, at its foundation, all politics is. To compete against ideals contrary to ours (USSR) is human nature. To suffer abuses by the likes of Wall St. and Walmart - to whatever extent - is the same thing. But, there is always going to be lashback in either scenerio.
On Nov 4, 4:01 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective > thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining > American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
I'd add a third choice, GSEs.
> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American > way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
If Walmart was unionized, would it make a difference?
> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several > of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
> > On Nov 4, 7:01 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote: > >> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective > >> thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining > >> American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
> >> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American > >> way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
> >> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several > >> of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
> > Well, since the USSR no longer exists, you can't really go with > > them. Now, if we talk about POTENTIAL problems from 1945-1980s.......
> I suppose you could substitute Al Qaeda and/or Saddam if > you want. The same point should come across.
> To be clear, though, I think neither Wall Street nor Walmart > consciously set out to do the damage they've done. They just > took advantage of the misplaced trust in the marketplace the > American public has had since the Reagan years. Regardless of > malice or the lack thereof, though, the damage is the same.
What damage has Walmart done compared to other big boxes?
Chris Bellomy wrote: > I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective > thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining > American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American > way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several > of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
> cb
Wal-Mart has at the most a dozen or so nuclear weapons.
Chris Bellomy wrote: > I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective > thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining > American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American > way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several > of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
Yup, one of the real problems facing this country is that we have automated tons of stuff and shipped a bunch more jobs overseas, but have replaced those jobs with fewer and fewer jobs which take less and less skill along the way. They rich are getting richer, not just because they are gaming the system, but because they're the only ones with the capital to produce these automated systems.
I would not be at all hurt if we saw a huge tax increase on the earnings (as opposed to income) of the top 5%. We currently have an unsustainable economic model in this country.
> Chris Bellomy wrote: >> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective >> thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining >> American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
>> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American >> way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
>> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several >> of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
>> cb
> Wal-Mart has at the most a dozen or so nuclear weapons.
DanS. wrote: > Unclaimed Mysteries, I've never been so impressed by your ability put > all the words together as I was on 11/4/2009 in saying: >> Chris Bellomy wrote: >>> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective >>> thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining >>> American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
>>> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American >>> way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
>>> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several >>> of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
>>> cb
>> Wal-Mart has at the most a dozen or so nuclear weapons.
>> -cls
> tmml - right behind the waffle irons, right?
That's where the gaseous diffusion fuel enrichment takes place. Old school. They also have their own reactors in the toy dept. Pink pool noodles are fuel rods, lime green pool noodles are control rods. 100% American made!
> In article <8P2dnRbZYf4pym_XnZ2dnUVZ_v-dn...@giganews.com>, > deergrego...@gmail.com says...
>> I would not be at all hurt if we saw a huge tax increase on the earnings >> (as opposed to income) of the top 5%.
> I sure as Hell would. Top 0.5%, maybe... maybe. I don't think you have > an idea of just how broad is that brush you're holding at the moment.
That's probably a fair point. The real separation line between the haves and everybody else is at 1%. A lot of money would be pulled back into the economy just putting the line there.
hey, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com>'s been through solid matter, for crying out loud. Who knows what's happened to his brain? Maybe it's scrambled his molecules...
>On Nov 4, 4:29 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote: >> deemsb...@aol.com wrote, On 11/4/09 6:11 PM:
>> > On Nov 4, 7:01 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote: >> >> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective >> >> thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining >> >> American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
>> >> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American >> >> way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
>> >> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several >> >> of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
>> > Well, since the USSR no longer exists, you can't really go with >> > them. Now, if we talk about POTENTIAL problems from 1945-1980s.......
>> I suppose you could substitute Al Qaeda and/or Saddam if >> you want. The same point should come across.
>> To be clear, though, I think neither Wall Street nor Walmart >> consciously set out to do the damage they've done. They just >> took advantage of the misplaced trust in the marketplace the >> American public has had since the Reagan years. Regardless of >> malice or the lack thereof, though, the damage is the same.
>What damage has Walmart done compared to other big boxes?
Wal-mart is just the poster-child....
FWIW, Home Depot is #1 in Home Improvement, yet only has about 13-15% of the total US market.... --
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hey, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com>'s been through solid matter, for crying out loud. Who knows what's happened to his brain? Maybe it's scrambled his molecules...
>On Nov 4, 4:01 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote: >> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective >> thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining >> American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
>I'd add a third choice, GSEs.
>> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American >> way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
>If Walmart was unionized, would it make a difference?
yes, they would be forced to pay living wages as opposed to welfare supported ones.
>> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several >> of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
>think you're nuts?
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Chris Bellomy wrote: > deemsb...@aol.com wrote, On 11/4/09 6:11 PM: >> On Nov 4, 7:01 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote: >>> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective >>> thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining >>> American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
>>> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American >>> way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
>>> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several >>> of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
>> Well, since the USSR no longer exists, you can't really go with >> them. Now, if we talk about POTENTIAL problems from 1945-1980s.......
> I suppose you could substitute Al Qaeda and/or Saddam if > you want. The same point should come across.
> To be clear, though, I think neither Wall Street nor Walmart > consciously set out to do the damage they've done. They just > took advantage of the misplaced trust in the marketplace the > American public has had since the Reagan years. Regardless of > malice or the lack thereof, though, the damage is the same.
> cb
What damage have Wall Street and Walmart done, specifically?
On Nov 5, 6:49 am, Cyclone Ranger <damonhy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 3:43 am, Dennis J <drjud...@verizon.netSCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> > >If Walmart was unionized, would it make a difference?
> > yes, they would be forced to pay living wages as opposed to welfare > > supported ones.
> Or they'd close. Prices go up; lather, rinse, repeat.
The fact is, Walmart provides jobs to unskilled workers who might otherwise not have a job. If you want these workers to have more wealth, they have to create additional wealth. Why should a kid out of public school, with no marketable skill, expect to be well paid?
On Nov 4, 7:01 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective > thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining > American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American > way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several > of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that.
Reminds me of this quote:
"Many have argued that capitalism does not offer a satisfactory moral message. But that is like saying that calculus does not contain cabrohydrates, amino acids, or other essential nutrients. Everything fails by irrevelant standards."
On Nov 5, 9:19 am, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 6:49 am, Cyclone Ranger <damonhy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 5, 3:43 am, Dennis J <drjud...@verizon.netSCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> > > >If Walmart was unionized, would it make a difference?
> > > yes, they would be forced to pay living wages as opposed to welfare > > > supported ones.
> > Or they'd close. Prices go up; lather, rinse, repeat.
> The fact is, Walmart provides jobs to unskilled workers who might > otherwise not have a job. If you want these workers to have more > wealth, they have to create additional wealth. Why should a kid out > of public school, with no marketable skill, expect to be well paid?
Eggzactly. "Living wage", my dimpled azz. It's called "entry-level" for a reason.
> Chris Bellomy wrote: >> deemsb...@aol.com wrote, On 11/4/09 6:11 PM: >>> On Nov 4, 7:01 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote: >>>> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective >>>> thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining >>>> American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
>>>> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American >>>> way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
>>>> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several >>>> of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that. >>> Well, since the USSR no longer exists, you can't really go with >>> them. Now, if we talk about POTENTIAL problems from 1945-1980s....... >> I suppose you could substitute Al Qaeda and/or Saddam if >> you want. The same point should come across.
>> To be clear, though, I think neither Wall Street nor Walmart >> consciously set out to do the damage they've done. They just >> took advantage of the misplaced trust in the marketplace the >> American public has had since the Reagan years. Regardless of >> malice or the lack thereof, though, the damage is the same.
> What damage have Wall Street and Walmart done, specifically?
That's up for you to decide. I'm specifically avoiding those arguments. If you don't believe they've done any, it's not my goal to convince you otherwise.
I guess if you want to know *my* view, which is mostly subjective, I'll post it, but this is one of those things where I don't necessarily claim to be right.
Chris Bellomy wrote: > Randolph M. Jones wrote, On 11/5/09 7:55 AM: >> Chris Bellomy wrote: >>> deemsb...@aol.com wrote, On 11/4/09 6:11 PM: >>>> On Nov 4, 7:01 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote: >>>>> I'll phrase it as a question because it's really a subjective >>>>> thing: which entity was or has been more successful in undermining >>>>> American capitalism: the USSR, or Wall Street?
>>>>> Which was or has been more successful in disrupting the American >>>>> way of life: the USSR, or Walmart?
>>>>> This is one of those deals where I'm quite certain that several >>>>> of you will honestly think I'm nuts. I'm ok with that. >>>> Well, since the USSR no longer exists, you can't really go with >>>> them. Now, if we talk about POTENTIAL problems from 1945-1980s....... >>> I suppose you could substitute Al Qaeda and/or Saddam if >>> you want. The same point should come across.
>>> To be clear, though, I think neither Wall Street nor Walmart >>> consciously set out to do the damage they've done. They just >>> took advantage of the misplaced trust in the marketplace the >>> American public has had since the Reagan years. Regardless of >>> malice or the lack thereof, though, the damage is the same.
>> What damage have Wall Street and Walmart done, specifically?
> That's up for you to decide. I'm specifically avoiding > those arguments. If you don't believe they've done any, > it's not my goal to convince you otherwise.
> I guess if you want to know *my* view, which is mostly > subjective, I'll post it, but this is one of those > things where I don't necessarily claim to be right.
> cb
Okay, then in my opinion Wall Street *is* American capitalism, so it hasn't disrupted it at all. Walmart *is* the American way of life, so it hasn't disrupted it at all. I don't think the USSR signifcantly disrupted either of them either.
> > In article <8P2dnRbZYf4pym_XnZ2dnUVZ_v-dn...@giganews.com>, > > deergrego...@gmail.com says...
> >> I would not be at all hurt if we saw a huge tax increase on the > >> earnings (as opposed to income) of the top 5%.
> > I sure as Hell would. Top 0.5%, maybe... maybe. I don't think you > > have an idea of just how broad is that brush you're holding at the > > moment.
> In the US that top 5% is about $160,000/year income for a household.
> About 3x the median household income, and about 8x the poverty line.
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