> > > > On Nov 6, 1:59 pm, johnny_t <nobod...@home.com> wrote: > > > > > Ramashiva Jr wrote: > > > > > > The shooter was an American citizen. I don't hear the religion or > > > > > > ethnic background of any other spree killers unless they're Muslem.
> > > > > Or that it is cogent. As in this case. It was committed because of > his > > > > > Muslim beliefs.
> > > > He did not kill for his "Muslim beliefs". We don't know why he > > > > killed,yet. He was from an immigrant family -- stress. He claims to > > > > been harrased fror his religion and ethnic background -- more stress. > > > > He has spent the last few years counseling return vets suffering from > > > > PTSD, lsitening to their horrors and nightmares -- even more stress. > > > > He appears he was going to be sent into the same war zone -- stressed > > > > until he snapped.
> > > > The tip of the iceberg. We are going to be paying for this nutso war > > > > for a long time.
> > > He has been requesting for years to be released from service apparently > > > because he is opposed to our political leaders employing our armed forces > > > for imperialist purposes. They ignored his requests.
> > Um, they can't let him out for those reasons. If they did, everyone would > > do the same thing.
> You think everyone in the US Army is anti-imperialist?
> In any case, the question was whether he did what he did for only > religious reasons. You're drifting.
> Your position doesn't make a shred of sense since other Muslims right on > the same base have expressed outrage at what happened. There's only one > Quran.
> > He marked "no religious affiliation" on his army > > application, and the army paid for his medical training. He didn't want > > to go to war? Waaaaa, don't join the fucking army then.
> > > If Daniel Ellsbeg was a Christian would his actions be attributed to > > > Christianity? If not, why not?
This was the largest and most deadly muslim terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11. Obama and the lame-stream media do not want to admit this but it is a fact. The shooter was a muslim, he defended suicide bombers, he spoke out repeatedly against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and said that he considered them wars on islam. The shooter had to acquire the guns and ammunition in advance, he gave away his possessions, he planned to carry out these killings in advance and he yelled "Allah is Great" in arabic before he opened fire
Obama and the lame-stream media are trying to pass this off as post-traumatic stress syndrome which is bullshit. First, no one made this shooter join the military. No one made him let the military pay for his education and give him a pay check, which he took for years. Third, he was a piss poor solider and had a shitty performance record. Fourth, if it were not for the insane level of political correctness that infects our country and our military, this officer would have been given a discharge years earlier. Fifth, the shooter never served in any war and never served in Iran or Afghanistan. Sixth, if the shooter really wanted to avoid going to Iraq or Afghanistan he could have resigned his commission for religious reasons.
This was a muslim terrorist attack on American soil and 13 innocent Americans were murdered and another 28 were wounded. A muslim does not have to be a direct member of alqueada to commit a terrorist attack. However, the sad fact is that Obama and the lame-stream media will never admit that truth. Instead, they will try to rationalize this with a load of politically correct bullshit. Well, in any case, Obama can go back to fighting his war against Fox News.
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> Curious as to how he got 43 people on an army base before being brought > down. But I am relieved to know that while psychotic killers are serving > at least the military is effectively filtering out the gays.
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people arent armed on an Army base .. maybe the firing range and a few MP's .. but they dont run around with loadede weapons in the mess hall
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> > This guy in Orlando is, judging from his last name, is a Christian. > > Let the record show this and FOX News have a special report on > > Christian violence.
> Sorry, did he commit his crime because of his "christian" beliefs? > Some people do, and then it is a cogent fact.
No .. When christians kill people they dont like or encite others to take up arms .. they are labeled as "patriots" on FOX
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> >> But you know he did not kill for his "Muslim beliefs".
> >> I think you better get in touch with CSIFortHood and share this > >> information.
> >I think you are too FOXed up to discuss this rationally. But you did > give me a better understanding about what is happening. The Thrush > >Limbergs of the airwaves will be crowing about how this is Mr Obama's > 9/11, he should have protected us from this deep mole, and America is > >not safe from the enemy. Watch how this become a big conspiracy
> I have stated many times I watch MSNBC - almost exclusively.
> If you know that FOX is saying something, it is because you are watching it, > not me. So tell us, what are the Thrush Limbergs of the airwaves saying?
> CNN (on the internet) is claiming that the family is saying that this IS > religious motivated.
> But keep spouting, and don't forget those cites you keep asking me for.
YES!! CATFIGHT !! PULL HER HAIR ...PULL HE BRA OFF !!
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>> Because 1) he had been told to stop constantly >> talking about how the US should not be in the wars, > I'm an atheist and I agree with that. So, > where does the religion figure in?
I'm atheist, too. It's easer to see the forest when you're not perched in one of the trees. When backed up, they always sit on their religion. Before the elections, Bush said his greatest mentor was Jesus Christ. He said god talked to him. God told him to go to war. (Apparently telling him to dodge the Vietnam Draft). Bush is the David Koresh of Branch Dividian. It's The Crusades all over again. Killing for god. Killing doctors for god. Killing Iraqis in order to save then. Forcing democracy on religious people as dedicated to their religion as Bush is to his.
They'll take this Fort Hood killer and hold a Spanish Inquisition; then get back to the business of spreading god's American colonialism. Didn't people leave England for American because they didn't like the King's religious repression?
Jerry (hiding from religious freaks) 'n Vegas
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> >>> Because 1) he had been told to stop constantly > >>> talking about how the US should not be in the wars,
> >> I'm an atheist and I agree with that. So, > >> where does the religion figure in?
> > I'm atheist, too.
> <skip the but Bush to ask a question>
> Are you saying that Obama is an atheist?
Everytime I hear a politician invoke God I have to think, does this guy actually believe in supernatural forces or does he think the voters are a bunch of stupids?
> >>> Because 1) he had been told to stop constantly > >>> talking about how the US should not be in the wars,
> >> I'm an atheist and I agree with that. So, > >> where does the religion figure in?
> > I'm atheist, too.
> <skip the but Bush to ask a question>
> Are you saying that Obama is an atheist?
Whoever you are I wish you would stop pretending to be pickle and posting commentary that makes it look like he can't grasp the thread of a simple conversation. If you have differences with him why can't you just confront him over it directly? This behavior of yours is getting really silly.
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> > This guy in Orlando is, judging from his last name, is a Christian. > > Let the record show this and FOX News have a special report on > > Christian violence.
> Sorry, did he commit his crime because of his "christian" beliefs? > Some people do, and then it is a cogent fact.
“When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal,” said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. “But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07muslim.html?_r=1
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>>>> Because 1) he had been told to stop constantly >>>> talking about how the US should not be in the wars, >>> I'm an atheist and I agree with that. So, >>> where does the religion figure in? >> I'm atheist, too. > Are you saying that Obama is an atheist?
Where did you get that?
Jerry ‘n Vegas
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<risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >On Nov 7 2009 6:50 AM, da pickle wrote:
>> "Jerry Sturdivant"
>> > "risky biz"
>> >>> Because 1) he had been told to stop constantly >> >>> talking about how the US should not be in the wars,
>> >> I'm an atheist and I agree with that. So, >> >> where does the religion figure in?
>> > I'm atheist, too.
>> <skip the but Bush to ask a question>
>> Are you saying that Obama is an atheist?
>Whoever you are I wish you would stop pretending to be pickle and posting >commentary that makes it look like he can't grasp the thread of a simple >conversation. If you have differences with him why can't you just confront >him over it directly? This behavior of yours is getting really silly.
I have the Faux Pickle in my killfile, so I never see his posts firsthand.
I did see that post firsthand, so I conclude it is the real Pickle.
What kind of game are you playing here, risky?
(Asks he so innocently, despite having a very good idea what the game is.)
You seemed to imply that anyone who was not an atheist was not such a smart person. You seem to like President Obama and I think that the president is a professed Christian. I was wondering how that worked out in your view of such a conflict.
> > The shooter was an American citizen. I don't hear the religion or > > ethnic background of any other spree killers unless they're Muslem.
> CNN is providing evidence that Maj. Hasan's religious faith "did" play > a part in his decision to shoot people.
but it's mostly bullshit "evidence". I suspect his cultural heritage as an Arab was in play more than his religion. For the most part Muslims Jews and Christians tolerated each other pretty well in the Arab countries until Europeans started showing up. Although this guy didn't want to go to Iraq he did want to go to Afganastan -- which strongly suggest his objections were cultural and not religious. Arabs just don't like outsiders coming in and meddling.
> As opposed to somebody like Timothy McVeigh, who's motivation for > bombing the federal building was said to be related to the Waco, Texas > incident. Since his personal religious beliefs apparently played no > part in the bombing, there was no logical reason to report it.
McVeighs motivations were cultural in just as strong a way as this Army Officers motivations were probably cultural.
Of course they were both influenced by their experiences with the Military culture. Maybe the appropriate headline in both cases is "Another American Military Vet goes apeshit"
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>>>> I'm atheist, too. >>> Are you saying that Obama is an atheist? >> Where did you get that? > You seemed to imply that anyone who was > not an atheist was not such a smart person.
I bet this wasn’t your ever first error in judgment.
Jerry ‘n Vegas
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> You seemed to imply that anyone who was not an atheist was not such a smart > person.
The only problem I see with your comment is that he didn't. Whoever you are.
> You seem to like President Obama and I think that the president is > a professed Christian. I was wondering how that worked out in your view > of such a conflict.
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> >...to figure that's a good thing to say ("Allahu Akbar!") > > when you're about to go to heaven.
> Go to heaven? Oh, you mean because he killed a bunch of infidels. > You're right, that probably played a big part in his motivation for > the shootings.
The editorial additions are all yours, fool. Why don't you just talk to yourself? Oh, yeah, OK . . . that's what you're doing already.
Muslims are known to say "God Is Great" in conjunction with all kinds of occurences- childbirths, avoidance of a serious injury or any kind of dangerous mishap, a day of beautiful weather, etc. It's no more sinister than a Christian saying, "praise be to the Lord."
A muslim who expects to get shot dead in a few minutes could logically be expected to yell, "God is great."
This thread of yours is for Kool-Aid clowns. This guy quite obviously had all kinds of issues. His family was probably ethnically cleansed (with American financing) from a homeland his family had lived in for hundreds of years, yet he served in the US Army and told family members that the Army was his life. That apparently wore off as he experienced years of being shunned and often referred to as a "camel jockey" by his "fellow soldiers". He wrote "Allah" on the outside of the door to his home. I would guess that most Muslims said, "Huh?", when they read that. But you portray this, evidenced by the title of your thread, as an episode in some deeply needed mental construct of yours that there is a war of Islam against the "west".
When you fuck over millions of people for decades on end you have to be a real peabrain to think that a few of them aren't going to lose it. You have to be an even bigger peabrain to pretend that you aren't doing something wrong and that they're losing it only because their religion is "inferior".
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> Although this guy didn't want to go to Iraq he did want > to go to Afganastan -- which strongly suggest his > objections were cultural and not religious.
Los Angeles Times reported:
"He said he didn't want to go to Iraq or Afghanistan,"
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