> >> Can you still get hand-dealt two-deck 3:2 downtown (Lady Luck, > >> Horseshoe...)?
> >> It's been a few years.
> > "Horseshoe" ???
> > It has been a few, eh, Jim?
> I heard about the buyout -- they didn't keep the name?
> Jim
Last time I was there they were cutting the Horseshoe letters off the front of the building with a cutting torch. I was hoping it was just time for an upgrade. I guess not.
>> For the unwary players on the Strip, there are other things >> to watch for such as pushes and whether Dealer hits soft >> 17. The locals know where the best odds are. > Can you still get hand-dealt two-deck 3:2 > downtown (Lady Luck, Horseshoe...)?
> It's been a few years.
Don’t go to Freemont Street much anymore since they closed the only good restaurant. Back where Lady Luck is, has become really run down. Even they whores look bad.
Anyway, some places let you double down on anything; some won’t let you double split pairs. I don’t play it so I don’t pay much attention. They odds are against you.
> >> In my opinion whoever sued the casino after getting banned counting cards > >> is > >> a dumb ass and has just made it harder for card counters. If the > >> government > >> forces the casinos to allow a player to count cards, the casinos will > >> definitely take countermeasures that will essentially ruin it for > >> everyone. > >> Although I understand the game dealt in Indiana was not that good anyway, > >> this will make it even worse. The player in question just shot himself > >> and > >> all other advantage players in the foot. Very short-sighted. Whatta > >> maroon!!!
> >> "INDIANAPOLIS -- The Indiana Court of Appeals ruled Friday that a casino > >> had > >> no legal right to ban a blackjack player who admitted counting cards to > >> gain > >> a competitive advantage.
> >> Thomas Donovan sued the Grand Victoria Casino and Resort after he was > >> banned > >> from the facility in Rising Sun in August 2006.
> >> Donovan admitted to casino officials that he counted cards, a practice in > >> which a player keeps mental track of the cards already played during the > >> game to adjust his wagers and improve his odds of winning additional > >> money."
> >> -Paul Popinjay
> > like you are making millions at bj ?
> Yep -- he's making millions, $5 at a time...
> Oh, you meant blackjack.
> Sorry, my mind wanders. Ask anyone.
> Jim
Apologies to Morphy for lifting this from his blog...
DOKTER DONKEY says "IT TOOK ME 25 MINS TO REALIZE THAT BJ MEANT BLACKJACK". DOKTER DONKEY says "YOU CAN IMAGINE MY DISAPPOINTMENT".
Michael U.S. American
----------------- "Frankly, I think this was a good post. And on its merit too, not just because you jammed it up Irish Mike's ass pretty good. Icing on the cake. lol"
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> > "K9way" <ad14...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message > >news:pdg7s6x2d3.ln2@recgroups.com... > > > On Nov 3 2009 10:05 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
> > >> In my opinion whoever sued the casino after getting banned counting cards > > >> is > > >> a dumb ass and has just made it harder for card counters. If the > > >> government > > >> forces the casinos to allow a player to count cards, the casinos will > > >> definitely take countermeasures that will essentially ruin it for > > >> everyone. > > >> Although I understand the game dealt in Indiana was not that good anyway, > > >> this will make it even worse. The player in question just shot himself > > >> and > > >> all other advantage players in the foot. Very short-sighted. Whatta > > >> maroon!!!
> > >> "INDIANAPOLIS -- The Indiana Court of Appeals ruled Friday that a casino > > >> had > > >> no legal right to ban a blackjack player who admitted counting cards to > > >> gain > > >> a competitive advantage.
> > >> Thomas Donovan sued the Grand Victoria Casino and Resort after he was > > >> banned > > >> from the facility in Rising Sun in August 2006.
> > >> Donovan admitted to casino officials that he counted cards, a practice in > > >> which a player keeps mental track of the cards already played during the > > >> game to adjust his wagers and improve his odds of winning additional > > >> money."
> > >> -Paul Popinjay
> > > like you are making millions at bj ?
> > Yep -- he's making millions, $5 at a time...
> > Oh, you meant blackjack.
> > Sorry, my mind wanders. Ask anyone.
> > Jim
> Apologies to Morphy for lifting this from his blog...
> DOKTER DONKEY says "IT TOOK ME 25 MINS TO REALIZE THAT BJ MEANT BLACKJACK". > DOKTER DONKEY says "YOU CAN IMAGINE MY DISAPPOINTMENT".
You should apologize to yourself for admitting that you read it, or look at it, whatever one does. This joke, however, is not terrible. Not bad at all.
> > You know what's funny is I used nearly this *exact* same argument > > against > > Paul Popinjay on 1:1 blackjack bartops vs 3:2 table games, which > > caused > > him to ridicule me. LOL
> Bottom line is you just have to know roughly what the house ev is and > be able to say objectively that
> 1)it's worth it to you in entertainment value/hr, and > 2) there's no better entertainment value for you readily available.
> If you do that, roulette could be the best game in the casino for > *you*. Nobody else can make that call.
> They brought in 6:5 because there's lots of blackjack players like my > wife who are happy to sit there all night drinking and socializing > making small bets, and the casino was losing money feeding them drinks > and paying someone to deal to them. Even at 6:5 I think they are still > losing money overall on the min. bet players.
YOU ARE 100% OUTTA YOUR FUCKIN MIND
Just when you think that youve been gypped ..the bearded lady comes and does a double back flip!!! John Hiatt in "Buffalo River Home"
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> >> Not everyone who plays 6:5 blackjack is an idiot. Do the math.
> > Speaking of which, many non-idiots found that the casinos' > > introduction of handheld 6-5 games re-opened the opportunity to > > "hole card". And without the heat!
> That too, but I'm thinking even more basic than that..
> When I'm playing poker, my wife is usually sitting at 6:5 table.
> 1) Lowest limits in the house, and I have her well trained to play > mostly minimum bets (once in a while she's allowed to double her > bet...lol) If she gets stuck she'll throw down the odd green chip, but > that is exceedingly rare. > 2) Single or double deck pitch game. That's all she wants to play. She > wants to *touch* her cards. She hates playing from a shoe. > 3)Far fewer hands per hour than auto-shuffle or shoe = less house ev > all things being equal. > 4) Games tend to stay full longer, further reducing the total hands > dealt > 5)More favorable rules aside from the 6:5. No, it doesn't make up the > odds, but it makes the game more fun when you can resplit and double > on any two. > 6) If she's betting $5, at 3:2 blackjack the dealer invariably gets > the 50 cent chip tipped on a blackjack, further reducing the > difference. At 6:5, the dealer usually gets stiffed lol.
She has a great time and gets
> loaded for less than the price of going bowling.
"ONE NORMALLY HAS TO GO TO A BOWLING ALLEY TO FIND A WOMAN OF YOUR STATURE"
John Gielgud in "Arthur "
literally spit soda out on the screen when I read this !!
Just when you think that youve been gypped ..the bearded lady comes and does a double back flip!!! John Hiatt in "Buffalo River Home"
> > Harrah's here in Kansas City has a policy in their high > > limit games of "no mid-shoe entry". A new player has to > > wait for a new shoe. Also, in their single-deck game, blackjack > > pays 6:5 rather than the normal 3:2.
> For the unwary players on the Strip, there are other things to watch for > such as pushes and whether Dealer hits soft 17. The locals know where the > best odds are.
> Jerry (a local) 'n Vegas
> - We must believe in free will. We have no choice...
wouldnt 'smater" locals know better than to play ?
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>> For the unwary players on the Strip, there are other things >> to watch for such as pushes and whether Dealer hits soft 17. >> The locals know where the best odds are. > wouldnt 'smater" locals know better than to play ?
Yea, the smarter ones. There are those that have deluded themselves into believing they can beat the game. You know the kind: "I've never had to pay for a piece of ass." "They usually comp me." "I usually win." "I'm ahead of the game."
The slightly smarter ones that gamble just for entertainment and the social aspect look for the least worst odds. Like when I play the crap table just for entertainment, I know which bets have the least worst odd. For the really lazy, they go play bingo and chat with their friends.
>>> For the unwary players on the Strip, there are other things >>> to watch for such as pushes and whether Dealer hits soft 17. >>> The locals know where the best odds are.
>> wouldnt 'smater" locals know better than to play ?
> Yea, the smarter ones. There are those that have deluded themselves into > believing they can beat the game. You know the kind: "I've never had to > pay > for a piece of ass." "They usually comp me." "I usually win." "I'm ahead > of > the game."
> The slightly smarter ones that gamble just for entertainment and the > social > aspect look for the least worst odds. Like when I play the crap table just > for entertainment, I know which bets have the least worst odd. For the > really lazy, they go play bingo and chat with their friends.
Valid point, but the game IS certainly beatable. I doubt if you have what it takes. I don't mean that as a put-down, but I am almost certain you could never do it. Neither you, nor Doggy. In fact, we all know that John the Savage, aka Ruy Lopez, could not cut the mustard, and he's smarter than both of you.
>> The slightly smarter ones that gamble just for entertainment >> and the social aspect look for the least worst odds. Like when >> I play the crap table just for entertainment, I know which bets >> have the least worst odd. For the really lazy, they go play >> bingo and chat with their friends. > Valid point, but the game IS certainly beatable. > I doubt if you have what it takes.
You’ll have to doubt your doubts; I have what it takes to beat blackjack. I bought the book years ago; read it; memorized applicable portions; used it and it worked. Tossed the book because they’re watching counters now.
> I don't mean that as a put-down, but I > am almost certain you could never do it.
Along with doubting your doubts you can be uncertain about your certainties.
> In fact, we all know that John the Savage, aka Ruy Lopez, could > not cut the mustard, and he's smarter than both of you.
Along with doubting your doubts; being uncertain about your certainties; you’ll have to reevaluate your thinking altogether.
“I don’t mean that as a put-down….”
Jerry (putting up) ‘n Vegas
- You can beat a dead horse, but you can't make him drink...
>> Valid point, but the game IS certainly beatable. >> I doubt if you have what it takes.
> You'll have to doubt your doubts; I have what it takes to beat blackjack. > I > bought the book years ago; read it; memorized applicable portions; used it > and it worked. Tossed the book because they're watching counters now.
Frankly, Jerry, a chimpanzee could probably learn how to count cards and apply basic counting strategy. But, as you say, they're "watching" now. That means, that winning blackjack players must employ different technique, amongst those being methods to assure that one remains under the radar, so to speak. That's why I say that I doubt you have what it takes, because it requires, first of all, intellect, and second of all, extensive familiarity with blackjack theory, neither of which you or the chimpanzee would ever be willing to commit yourselves to. Face it, Jerry, you're just a dumb ape.
>>> Valid point, but the game IS certainly beatable. >>> I doubt if you have what it takes. >> You'll have to doubt your doubts; I have what it takes >> to beat blackjack. I bought the book years ago; read it; >> memorized applicable portions; used it and it worked. >> Tossed the book because they're watching counters now. > That's why I say that I doubt you have what it takes….
Coming from a guy with doubtful doubts; uncertain certainties and the inability to evaluate; your opinions are worthless. No offense but thanks for trying.
Jerry ‘n Vegas
- The real reason you can't take it with you: It goes before you do.
> Coming from a guy with doubtful doubts; uncertain certainties and the > inability to evaluate; your opinions are worthless. No offense but thanks > for trying.
Clint, (do you mind if I call you Clint, Jerry?), I seriously doubt if anyone who still reads this cesspool of a newsgroup could come close to matching my knowledge of blackjack and what it takes to beat the game. And I'm talking about the smart people on this group. Yes, there ARE smart people still on this group. But that does not include you, numb nuts. So, the only reason you think my opinion is worthless, is because you are worthless. I mean seriously, why would I expect someone who is dumb to realize that they are dumb? Think about it, Einstein!
>> Coming from a guy with doubtful doubts; uncertain certainties >> and the inability to evaluate; your opinions are worthless. No >> offense but thanks for trying. > Clint, (do you mind if I call you Clint, Jerry?)
Another “mind” problem?
> I seriously doubt if ….
There you go again….
> … my knowledge of blackjack and what it takes to beat the game.
We can tell from your untold wealth. As I said earlier, this town is full of, “I’m good.” “I don’t pay for sex.” “I can beat the system.” “I always come out ahead.”
Keep coming back, PP; it’s how we keep the lights on in Vegas.
> We can tell from your untold wealth. As I said earlier, this town is full > of, "I'm good." "I don't pay for sex." "I can beat the system." "I always > come out ahead."
I don't pay for sex. I don't even have sex.
> Keep coming back, PP; it's how we keep the lights on in Vegas.
Clint, I've owned a major casino in Henderson, you don't have to tell me how we pay the light bills. But if you do not believe that there are still people making serious money at blackjack, then you are quite mistaken.
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