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Jerry Sturdivant  
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From: "Jerry Sturdivant" <jerr...@cox.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:20:49 -0800
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 10:20 pm
Subject: Translating Yesterday's Election Results

In the run up to yesterday's off-year elections, conservatives sought to cast the high-profile contests as a referendum on President Obama's first year in office. "These are bellwether races -- not just as a referendum on this administration, but on our party as well," said Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele. "So is this really a referendum on Obama, or is this just the political tide changing?" Fox News' Sean Hannity asked former Bush adviser Karl Rove. "Well, I think it's both," replied Rove. Despite the fact that Obama's party lost control of the governor's mansions in both Virginia and New Jersey, claims of a referendum do not pan out. While the two governorships have gone to the party not in control of the White House in every election since 1989, the results have not correlated with presidential approval, indicating that they are not a referendum on presidential leadership. "The Democratic losses of these two governorships should not be interpreted as a significant blow to President Obama," writes CNN Political Editor Mark Preston, noting that 56 percent of Virginians said in exit polls that the President was not a factor in their vote, while 60 percent of New Jersey voters said the same. In fact, "just under half the voters in Virginia, 48 percent, approved of the way Obama is handling his job, rising to 57 percent in New Jersey." Additionally, Democrat Bill Owens' victory over Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman in New York's 23rd district -- where Hoffman's third-party candidacy became the vessel for a Republican Party civil war -- dealt "a major setback to conservative organizations." Still, while yesterday's election was not a referendum on the President, the tea leaves do highlight challenges for the administration going forward as "a vast 89 percent in New Jersey and 85 percent in Virginia said they were worried about the direction of the nation's economy in the next year."

NEW JERSEY AND VIRGINIA: In both Virginia and New Jersey, voters ranked the economy as their top issue of concern. Voters who focused on the economy favored Republican Bob McDonnell over Democratic nominee Creigh Deeds by an 18-point margin. In contrast, defeated New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine (D) "won economy voters by a broad margin" over Republican Chris Christie. Local issues were paramount in both races. But as Newsweek's Howard Fineman said on MSNBC last night, the real story of the gubernatorial elections may be how the face of the electorate changed from 2008 to 2009. "This was a revolution in reverse, or a rebellion reverse in the sense that it was as much about people who didn't turn out in Virginia and maybe as much about people who don't turn out in New Jersey," said Fineman. "The Obama supporters didn't show up in anywhere near the numbers they did." Indeed, as Politico's Ben Smith pointed out, "this wasn't your president's electorate." In 2008, young voters were 21 percent of Virginia's electorate while yesterday, just 10 percent of voters were under the age of 30. Though youth turnout is always down in off-year elections, the fact that Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds ran away from core progressive priorities might explain why there was such a huge drop off, considering that the so-called "millennial generation" is strongly progressive. Deeds ran against transitioning to a clean energy economy and dithered on the public option for health care reform.

NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA: While conservative politicians found success in statewide Virginia and New Jersey contests yesterday, the special congressional elections in New York's 23rd district and California's 10th district told very different tales. Hoffman's four-point loss to Owens in upstate New York marks the first time in a century that the seat will not be held by a Republican -- and it's "a setback for national conservatives who heavily promoted" his campaign. Hoffman, who considers Glenn Beck to be a "mentor," became a hero to grassroots conservatives when he mounted a third-party campaign against Republican nominee Dede Scozzafava. Tea Party activists and special interest groups like the Club for Growth declared Scozzafava too liberal because she supports "gay rights and abortion rights and had embraced some Democratic economic policies like the federal stimulus package." Over the weekend, Scozzafava dropped out of the race and endorsed Owens, saying that he "understands this district and its people, and when he represents us in Congress he will put our interests first." Hoffman, who lives outside the district, "didn't even try to pretend that the election was about the issues of the district," instead trying to make it about proving the power of the Tea Parties and Glenn Beck's 9/12 project. While the national media focused on NY-23, they largely ignored the evidence of a progressive resurgence in CA-10. California Lt. Gov. John Garamendi resoundingly won the contest to fill Blue Dog Democrat Ellen Tauscher's vacant seat. Garamendi is an unabashed liberal. He is a strong supporter not only of a public option, but of a single-payer Medicare-for-all health care system, supports the creation of an exit strategy from Afghanistan, and actually defeated Tauscher's hand-picked candidate for the Democratic endorsement.

DOWN THE BALLOT: In Maine last night, same-sex marriage advocates were handed a disappointing defeat as voters "repealed the state's same sex marriage law after an emotionally charged campaign that drew large numbers to the polls." "Gay-rights activists had hoped Maine voters -- known for their moderate, independent-minded views -- would have been the first to endorse same-sex marriage in a statewide ballot," but with 87 percent of precincts reporting as of 2 a.m. last night, "gay marriage opponents claimed 53 percent of the vote to supporters' 47 percent." Election day news wasn't all bad news, however, for the gay rights movement. Politico's Ben Smith notes that "a lesbian candidate for Houston mayor whose campaign had become a cause celebre in the gay community, Annise Parker, won a surprising plurality and takes a strong hand into the run-off in that city, not generally seen as a gay rights hub. A gay man was also elected mayor of Chapel Hill." Additionally, Detroit elected a gay City Council president. In Washington state, voters narrowly approved Referendum 71 granting "registered domestic partners additional state-granted rights currently given only to married couples."


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From: Ramashiva Jr <BeaFor...@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:55:28 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Translating Yesterday's Election Results
On Nov 4, 9:20 am, "Jerry Sturdivant" <jerr...@cox.net> wrote:

Damn, you sure do write alot.


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From: "Dave the Clueless" <fract...@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:21:02 -0800
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Subject: Re: Translating Yesterday's Election Results
On Nov 4 2009 1:20 PM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:

Blah Blah Blah

Some people won and some people lost. It isn't like the masses rose up in
revolt and made Miley Cyrus (if I spelled that wrong please don't correct
me) overlord.

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From: "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:30:14 -0800
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Subject: Re: Translating Yesterday's Election Results
Jerry your cut/paste is failing you, I can't try to read it with all the
garbage characters.

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From: "BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:35:46 -0800
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Subject: Re: Translating Yesterday's Election Results

"O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

news:m08as6xfvf.ln2@recgroups.com...

> Jerry your cut/paste is failing you, I can't try to read it with all
> the
> garbage characters.

It appears he is using Outlook Express.

All he has to do is go to Tools > Options > Send tab,   and under
"News Sending Format" select the "Plain Text" button


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 More options Nov 5, 12:15 pm
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:15:15 -0600
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Subject: Re: Translating Yesterday's Election Results

nice copy and paste, fat boy.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:20:49 -0800, "Jerry Sturdivant"


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From: "Jerry Sturdivant" <jerr...@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:09:37 -0800
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: Translating Yesterday's Election Results

"O-PGManager"

> Jerry your cut/paste is failing you, I can't try
> to read it with all the garbage characters.

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From: "Jerry Sturdivant" <jerr...@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:02:45 -0800
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: Translating Yesterday's Election Results

"BillB"

> It appears he is using Outlook Express.

> All he has to do is go to Tools > Options >
> Send tab,   and under "News Sending Format"
> select the "Plain Text" button

Thanks, I'll give it a try.

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From: "Jerry Sturdivant" <jerr...@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:24:44 -0800
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 9:24 pm
Subject: Re: Translating Yesterday's Election Results

"bub"

> nice copy and paste, fat boy.

You don't know how to copy and paste news items? You don't know how to link
to news or information items? Are you afraid of the news or information?
Does it clash with your political view? Are you fat and project fatness on
others because of your own inabilities?

Jerry (not fat) 'n Vegas

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From: "BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:26:14 -0800
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Subject: Re: Translating Yesterday's Election Results

"Jerry Sturdivant" <jerr...@cox.net> wrote in message

news:IGCIm.10449$fE2.2249@newsfe04.iad...

> Thanks, I'll give it a try.

If you do it, your original post comes out like this when you paste
it, and more people will read it:

In the run up to yesterday's off-year elections, conservatives sought
to cast the high-profile contests as a referendum on President Obama's
first year in office. "These are bellwether races -- not just as a
referendum on this administration, but on our party as well," said
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele. "So is this
really a referendum on Obama, or is this just the political tide
changing?" Fox News' Sean Hannity asked former Bush adviser Karl Rove.
"Well, I think it's both," replied Rove. Despite the fact that Obama's
party lost control of the governor's mansions in both Virginia and New
Jersey, claims of a referendum do not pan out. While the two
governorships have gone to the party not in control of the White House
in every election since 1989, the results have not correlated with
presidential approval, indicating that they are not a referendum on
presidential leadership. "The Democratic losses of these two
governorships should not be interpreted as a significant blow to
President Obama," writes CNN Political Editor Mark Preston, noting
that 56 percent of Virginians said in exit polls that the President
was not a factor in their vote, while 60 percent of New Jersey voters
said the same. In fact, "just under half the voters in Virginia, 48
percent, approved of the way Obama is handling his job, rising to 57
percent in New Jersey." Additionally, Democrat Bill Owens' victory
over Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman in New York's 23rd
district -- where Hoffman's third-party candidacy became the vessel
for a Republican Party civil war -- dealt "a major setback to
conservative organizations." Still, while yesterday's election was not
a referendum on the President, the tea leaves do highlight challenges
for the administration going forward as "a vast 89 percent in New
Jersey and 85 percent in Virginia said they were worried about the
direction of the nation's economy in the next year."

NEW JERSEY AND VIRGINIA: In both Virginia and New Jersey, voters
ranked the economy as their top issue of concern. Voters who focused
on the economy favored Republican Bob McDonnell over Democratic
nominee Creigh Deeds by an 18-point margin. In contrast, defeated New
Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine (D) "won economy voters by a broad margin"
over Republican Chris Christie. Local issues were paramount in both
races. But as Newsweek's Howard Fineman said on MSNBC last night, the
real story of the gubernatorial elections may be how the face of the
electorate changed from 2008 to 2009. "This was a revolution in
reverse, or a rebellion reverse in the sense that it was as much about
people who didn't turn out in Virginia and maybe as much about people
who don't turn out in New Jersey," said Fineman. "The Obama supporters
didn't show up in anywhere near the numbers they did." Indeed, as
Politico's Ben Smith pointed out, "this wasn't your president's
electorate." In 2008, young voters were 21 percent of Virginia's
electorate while yesterday, just 10 percent of voters were under the
age of 30. Though youth turnout is always down in off-year elections,
the fact that Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds ran away from core
progressive priorities might explain why there was such a huge drop
off, considering that the so-called "millennial generation" is
strongly progressive. Deeds ran against transitioning to a clean
energy economy and dithered on the public option for health care
reform.

NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA: While conservative politicians found success
in statewide Virginia and New Jersey contests yesterday, the special
congressional elections in New York's 23rd district and California's
10th district told very different tales. Hoffman's four-point loss to
Owens in upstate New York marks the first time in a century that the
seat will not be held by a Republican -- and it's "a setback for
national conservatives who heavily promoted" his campaign. Hoffman,
who considers Glenn Beck to be a "mentor," became a hero to grassroots
conservatives when he mounted a third-party campaign against
Republican nominee Dede Scozzafava. Tea Party activists and special
interest groups like the Club for Growth declared Scozzafava too
liberal because she supports "gay rights and abortion rights and had
embraced some Democratic economic policies like the federal stimulus
package." Over the weekend, Scozzafava dropped out of the race and
endorsed Owens, saying that he "understands this district and its
people, and when he represents us in Congress he will put our
interests first." Hoffman, who lives outside the district, "didn't
even try to pretend that the election was about the issues of the
district," instead trying to make it about proving the power of the
Tea Parties and Glenn Beck's 9/12 project. While the national media
focused on NY-23, they largely ignored the evidence of a progressive
resurgence in CA-10. California Lt. Gov. John Garamendi resoundingly
won the contest to fill Blue Dog Democrat Ellen Tauscher's vacant
seat. Garamendi is an unabashed liberal. He is a strong supporter not
only of a public option, but of a single-payer Medicare-for-all health
care system, supports the creation of an exit strategy from
Afghanistan, and actually defeated Tauscher's hand-picked candidate
for the Democratic endorsement.

DOWN THE BALLOT: In Maine last night, same-sex marriage advocates were
handed a disappointing defeat as voters "repealed the state's same sex
marriage law after an emotionally charged campaign that drew large
numbers to the polls." "Gay-rights activists had hoped Maine voters --  
known for their moderate, independent-minded views -- would have been
the first to endorse same-sex marriage in a statewide ballot," but
with 87 percent of precincts reporting as of 2 a.m. last night, "gay
marriage opponents claimed 53 percent of the vote to supporters' 47
percent." Election day news wasn't all bad news, however, for the gay
rights movement. Politico's Ben Smith notes that "a lesbian candidate
for Houston mayor whose campaign had become a cause celebre in the gay
community, Annise Parker, won a surprising plurality and takes a
strong hand into the run-off in that city, not generally seen as a gay
rights hub. A gay man was also elected mayor of Chapel Hill."
Additionally, Detroit elected a gay City Council president. In
Washington state, voters narrowly approved Referendum 71 granting
"registered domestic partners additional state-granted rights
currently given only to married couples."


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From: "Jerry Sturdivant" <jerr...@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:06:59 -0800
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 10:06 pm
Subject: Re: Translating Yesterday's Election Results

"BillB"

>> Thanks, I'll give it a try.
> If you do it, your original post comes out like this
> when you paste it, and more people will read it:

Hey! What happened to my HTML links! I've been robbed!

Jerry (robbed) 'n Vegas

- Sorry! This virus requires Windows 95.


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