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 More options Jul 24, 3:17 pm
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.nascar
From: Clutch Cargo
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:17:18 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 3:17 pm
Subject: Forced Retirement

With all the new and much younger talent coming up through the ranks,
a better class of driver is taking seat in the NASCAR premier series,
Cup, Nationwide, and Truck.  The younger drivers do seem to out
perform seasoned drivers.  It would seem better for N to have a field
of younger age group drivers than a mix of old and young.  

N might consider imposing age limits for drivers just to weed out the
old guys and under performing drivers.  Petty, T. Labonte, Schrader,
M. Martin, etc.. all are examples of drivers who should go away.  

Younger and more risk taking drivers make for a better race.


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 More options Jul 24, 5:49 pm
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From: "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:49:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Forced Retirement

<Clutch Cargo> wrote in message

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> N might consider imposing age limits for drivers just to weed out the
> old guys and under performing drivers.  Petty, T. Labonte, Schrader,
> M. Martin, etc.. all are examples of drivers who should go away.

Can't do that.  Mark Martin still has a few more official retirements to go
through.

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 More options Jul 24, 5:57 pm
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From: MRP64 <Mikke1...@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:57:53 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 5:57 pm
Subject: Re: Forced Retirement
On Jul 24, 6:17 am, Clutch Cargo wrote:

> With all the new and much younger talent coming up through the ranks,
> a better class of driver is taking seat in the NASCAR premier series,
> Cup, Nationwide, and Truck. The younger drivers do seem to out
> perform seasoned drivers. It would seem better for N to have a field
> of younger age group drivers than a mix of old and young.

> N might consider imposing age limits for drivers just to weed out the
> old guys and under performing drivers. Petty, T. Labonte, Schrader,
> M. Martin, etc.. all are examples of drivers who should go away.

> Younger and more risk taking drivers make for a better race.

There are laws against age discrimination. These drivers also are able
to attract sponsers and unknown drivers are not.

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 More options Jul 24, 6:25 pm
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From: "armpit" <armarmpit...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:25:57 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: Forced Retirement

<Clutch Cargo> wrote in message

news:t4lg84har6kvc8l2jarqft80u8gtupphnr@4ax.com...

> With all the new and much younger talent coming up through the ranks,
> a better class of driver is taking seat in the NASCAR premier series,
> Cup, Nationwide, and Truck.  The younger drivers do seem to out
> perform seasoned drivers.  It would seem better for N to have a field
> of younger age group drivers than a mix of old and young.

> N might consider imposing age limits for drivers just to weed out the
> old guys and under performing drivers.  Petty, T. Labonte, Schrader,
> M. Martin, etc.. all are examples of drivers who should go away.

I don't understanfd why everyone wants to lump Mark Martin in with the
"over-the-hill" drivers. The guy is still competitive, and still better than
most of the guys out there now, regardless of age.

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 More options Jul 24, 11:18 pm
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From: Peaceful Bill <snails.p...@highspeedturtles.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:18:53 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 11:18 pm
Subject: Re: Forced Retirement

Clutch Cargo wrote:
> With all the new and much younger talent coming up through the ranks,
> a better class of driver is taking seat in the NASCAR premier series,
> Cup, Nationwide, and Truck.  The younger drivers do seem to out
> perform seasoned drivers.  It would seem better for N to have a field
> of younger age group drivers than a mix of old and young.  

> N might consider imposing age limits for drivers just to weed out the
> old guys and under performing drivers.  Petty, T. Labonte, Schrader,
> M. Martin, etc.. all are examples of drivers who should go away.  

> Younger and more risk taking drivers make for a better race.

Its all about the money.  NASCAR has proven over the years that "better
racing" is not as important as "better revenue".

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 More options Jul 24, 11:19 pm
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From: Peaceful Bill <snails.p...@highspeedturtles.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:19:31 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 11:19 pm
Subject: Re: Forced Retirement

Mike Marlow wrote:
> <Clutch Cargo> wrote in message
> news:t4lg84har6kvc8l2jarqft80u8gtupphnr@4ax.com...

>> N might consider imposing age limits for drivers just to weed out the
>> old guys and under performing drivers.  Petty, T. Labonte, Schrader,
>> M. Martin, etc.. all are examples of drivers who should go away.

> Can't do that.  Mark Martin still has a few more official retirements to go
> through.

And Ken Shrader hasn't started his string of retirements.

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 More options Jul 24, 11:27 pm
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From: Peaceful Bill <snails.p...@highspeedturtles.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:27:41 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 11:27 pm
Subject: Re: Forced Retirement

Do you think MM puts himself in that category?  He talks about
retirement, he talks about age.  Or do you think it might be the press
constantly reminding us how old he is?  Or a combination of the two?

I agree with your opinion that he's still competitive.  Given top drawer
equipment, he seems like a threat to win at most of the events he
drives.  It will be interesting to see how he does next year


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 More options Jul 24, 11:35 pm
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From: TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:35:51 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: Forced Retirement

I agree. I would put him in a car before a LOT of younger drivers.

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 More options Jul 25, 4:37 am
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From: John McCoy <igop...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:37:55 -0500
Local: Fri, Jul 25 2008 4:37 am
Subject: Re: Forced Retirement
"armpit" <armarmpit...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> I don't understanfd why everyone wants to lump Mark Martin in with the
> "over-the-hill" drivers. The guy is still competitive, and still
> better than most of the guys out there now, regardless of age.

He is the exception, tho.

There's a few guys who kept their edge for a long time - Gant and
Bobby Allison most notably, and Martin seems to fall in that group.

But most drivers, even included some of the most successful, seem
to have declined markedly when they get to that 48-49 point.  Richard
Petty and Darryl Waltrip being the most high-profile examples.

John


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 More options Jul 25, 5:56 am
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From: ">G< ©" <jimmyga...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:56:38 -0400
Local: Fri, Jul 25 2008 5:56 am
Subject: Re: Forced Retirement

Mark is the Red Farmer of today...

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 More options Jul 25, 7:26 am
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From: Clutch Cargo
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:26:13 -0400
Local: Fri, Jul 25 2008 7:26 am
Subject: Re: Forced Retirement
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:37:55 -0500, John McCoy <igop...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

MM should hang it up, should be told to hang it up.  Exactly what has
he accomplished as a driver?  I thought so, not much.  

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 More options Jul 25, 7:47 am
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From: "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:47:30 -0400
Local: Fri, Jul 25 2008 7:47 am
Subject: Re: Forced Retirement

"Peaceful Bill" <snails.p...@highspeedturtles.net> wrote in message

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> Do you think MM puts himself in that category?  He talks about retirement,
> he talks about age.  Or do you think it might be the press constantly
> reminding us how old he is?  Or a combination of the two?

When do you hear the press talking about how old Martin is?  He has made
much more of his retirements himself than anything the press has ever said
about him.

> I agree with your opinion that he's still competitive.  Given top drawer
> equipment, he seems like a threat to win at most of the events he drives.
> It will be interesting to see how he does next year

He'll continue to almost thrill people.  Martin has never had the fire to
really win the big prize and he doesn't now.

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