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SimRacer  
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 More options Jul 23, 10:07 pm
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From: SimRacer <NOsimrace...@yahoo.comSPAM>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:07:43 -0400
Local: Wed, Jul 23 2008 10:07 pm
Subject: Toyota ordered to lower their horsepower
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Rod's SHAW  
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From: "Rod's SHAW" <rod.g...@shaw.ca>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:17:12 GMT
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Subject: Re: Toyota ordered to lower their horsepower
It's absolute garbage. NASCAR needn't bother with restrictor plate races
anymore - because it's all restricted racing. The next thing will be race
control radio communication with the leader, instructing him to slow down
(which is currently camouflaged as mystery cautions). FInding extra speed is
what it should all be about (be it driver, driving line, or technology). If
they limit displacement and fuel mixture flows, pressures etc., ..... then
kudos to the guys that can get more out of existing limitations.

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Peaceful Bill  
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From: Peaceful Bill <snails.p...@highspeedturtles.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:35:42 -0500
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Subject: Re: Toyota ordered to lower their horsepower

Sheesh.  Do you think they'll test some of the drivers for reaction
time?  If its too fast, do you think NASCAR will restrict them?


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Rod's SHAW  
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 More options Jul 23, 10:37 pm
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From: "Rod's SHAW" <rod.g...@shaw.ca>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:37:53 GMT
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Subject: Re: Toyota ordered to lower their horsepower

"Peaceful Bill" <snails.p...@highspeedturtles.net> wrote in message

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> Sheesh.  Do you think they'll test some of the drivers for reaction time?
> If its too fast, do you think NASCAR will restrict them?

Yes ......... rumor has it that the rubber bands have already been ordered.


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Chuck Steak  
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 More options Jul 23, 11:14 pm
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From: chuck_st...@nospam.com (Chuck Steak)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:14:42 GMT
Local: Wed, Jul 23 2008 11:14 pm
Subject: Re: Toyota ordered to lower their horsepower

In article simrace...@yahoo.comSPAM wrote:
>Whoda thunk it?

What bullshit...
Why didn't they restrict the Roush cars?
They both had more hp than the 20 car.... which has won 9 times....

Dan
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TS02_05champ  
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 More options Jul 23, 11:36 pm
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From: TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:36:52 -0400
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Subject: Re: Toyota ordered to lower their horsepower

Chuck Steak wrote:
> In article simrace...@yahoo.comSPAM wrote:

>> Whoda thunk it?

> What bullshit...
> Why didn't they restrict the Roush cars?
> They both had more hp than the 20 car.... which has won 9 times....

That is the part that doesn't make any since.

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TS02_05champ  
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 More options Jul 23, 11:42 pm
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From: TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:42:47 -0400
Local: Wed, Jul 23 2008 11:42 pm
Subject: Re: Toyota ordered to lower their horsepower

TS02_05champ wrote:
> Chuck Steak wrote:
>> In article simrace...@yahoo.comSPAM wrote:

>>> Whoda thunk it?

>> What bullshit...
>> Why didn't they restrict the Roush cars?
>> They both had more hp than the 20 car.... which has won 9 times....

> That is the part that doesn't make any since.

It also doesn't make any *sense*.

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Seven  
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 More options Jul 24, 12:34 am
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From: Seven <seven...@chek.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:34:01 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 12:34 am
Subject: Re: Toyota ordered to lower their horsepower
On Jul 23, 2:14 pm, chuck_st...@nospam.com (Chuck Steak) wrote:

> In article simrace...@yahoo.comSPAM wrote:
> >Whoda thunk it?

> What bullshit...
> Why didn't they restrict the Roush cars?
> They both had more hp than the 20 car.... which has won 9 times....

> Dan

Agreed, that's absolutely ridiculous.

And who would have guessed that Reutimann had more ponies under the
hood than the 20 car?

-Steven


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armpit  
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 More options Jul 24, 1:12 am
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From: "armpit" <armarmpit...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:12:20 -0400
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Subject: Re: Toyota ordered to lower their horsepower

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As I said the last time Nascar checked engines, peak horsepower is just a
small part of engine performance.

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SimRacer  
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 More options Jul 24, 2:12 am
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From: SimRacer <NOsimrace...@yahoo.comSPAM>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:12:30 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 2:12 am
Subject: Re: Toyota ordered to lower their horsepower
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:14:42 GMT, chuck_st...@nospam.com (Chuck Steak)
wrote:

>In article simrace...@yahoo.comSPAM wrote:

>>Whoda thunk it?

>What bullshit...
>Why didn't they restrict the Roush cars?
>They both had more hp than the 20 car.... which has won 9 times....

Agreed. Also forgot to mention that this was *just* for the Nationwide
series. So Toyota figured it out...fine, let the others make similar
changes or suck hind tit until they do. And yes, I am a Chevy man.

And IMHO, raw horsepower numbers do not tell the whole tale when it
comes to racing engines or engines in general. This is why I laugh at
commercials today that advertise "250HP" or "275HP" in 4-6 banger
street cars. Yeah, they may actually make that much horspower...at
their redline maybe...and have no grunt on the low end (torque) to
speak of. This is why I still don't understand the point of Honda's
S2000. Who cares if it can rev to 9k RPM? Who wants to have to rev it
that high to get to a decent HP and TQ number to begin
with...(rhetorical, no question mark required)....But I digress...


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Tom Duwe  
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 More options Jul 24, 2:39 am
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From: "Tom Duwe" <tomd88SPAML...@bvunet.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:39:32 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 2:39 am
Subject: Re: Toyota ordered to lower their horsepower
"SimRacer" <NOsimrace...@yahoo.comSPAM> wrote in message

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> Agreed. Also forgot to mention that this was *just* for the Nationwide
> series. So Toyota figured it out...fine, let the others make similar
> changes or suck hind tit until they do. And yes, I am a Chevy man.

The thing is, the Toys are runnin' their brand shiny new engine design in
Nationwide (and both other series)...the others aren't yet, but are expected
to do so soon.  Check the language of the tech bulletin:

NASCAR issued a technical bulletin Tuesday amending the Nationwide Series
Rule Book. Effective as of July 23, 2008, section 20A - 5.10.4 is amended as
follows:
"At all Events, unless otherwise specified, all engines with a cylinder bore
spacing less than 4.470 inches must compete using a tapered spacer with four
(4) 1.125-inch diameter holes. At all Events, unless otherwise specified,
all engines with a cylinder bore spacing of 4.470 inches or more must
compete using a tapered spacer with four (4) 1.100-inch diameter holes.
Unless otherwise authorized, the carburetor restrictor will be issued by
NASCAR."
"Eventually, all teams that upgrade to new engine packages will be subject
to this rule modification," said Robin Pemberton, NASCAR vice president of
competition. "Over the years in our sport, we've taken steps on numerous
occasions to help maintain a level playing field among our competitors and
we will continue to do so."

Soooo...when the other 3 marques have the wider spaced bore center designs,
they'll all use the tapered spacers with 1.1 inch holes...and be catching up
with whatever *else* the TRD folks have learned.

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Tom in Bristol

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Chad  
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 More options Jul 24, 2:44 am
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From: "Chad" <cbs...@safemail.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:44:08 +1000
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Subject: Re: Toyota ordered to lower their horsepower
"Tom Duwe" <tomd88SPAML...@bvunet.net> wrote in message

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> "SimRacer" <NOsimrace...@yahoo.comSPAM> wrote in message
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> <snip>

>> Agreed. Also forgot to mention that this was *just* for the Nationwide
>> series. So Toyota figured it out...fine, let the others make similar
>> changes or suck hind tit until they do. And yes, I am a Chevy man.

> The thing is, the Toys are runnin' their brand shiny new engine design in
> Nationwide (and both other series)...the others aren't yet, but are
> expected to do so soon.  Check the language of the tech bulletin:

I've heard one reason why the new Chevy engine hasn't been approved for
Nationwide is to protect the smaller teams who would have trouble affording
the change.

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