I believe N should reinstate racing back to the start finish line when cautions are thrown to set the field running order. I also believe N should up the speed limit on pit road to 65. None of this should impose a problem since the COT is a safer car, more risk can be taken because of it.
> I believe N should reinstate racing back to the start finish line when > cautions are thrown to set the field running order. I also believe N > should up the speed limit on pit road to 65. None of this should > impose a problem since the COT is a safer car, more risk can be taken > because of it.
I agree with you on racing back to the yellow (a position in which we are very much in the minority, unfortunately).
The pit road speed limit is a good thing, tho. Whether the CoT is safer or not is totally irrelevant, because the pit road speed limit is there to protect the pit crews, not the drivers.
> > I believe N should reinstate racing back to the start finish line when > > cautions are thrown to set the field running order. I also believe N > > should up the speed limit on pit road to 65. None of this should > > impose a problem since the COT is a safer car, more risk can be taken > > because of it.
> I agree with you on racing back to the yellow (a position in which > we are very much in the minority, unfortunately).
> The pit road speed limit is a good thing, tho. Whether the CoT is > safer or not is totally irrelevant, because the pit road speed > limit is there to protect the pit crews, not the drivers.
> John
Racing back to yellow would be good, you would have more cars on the lead lap (if the driver's agreed to the "code" they had before), but the pit road speed is fine where its at, although the car is safer for the driver, its bulkier and would probably actually hurt a crew member more if they got hit by a COT
> I believe N should reinstate racing back to the start finish line when > cautions are thrown to set the field running order. I also believe N > should up the speed limit on pit road to 65. None of this should > impose a problem since the COT is a safer car, more risk can be taken > because of it.
I'm glad you don't make the rules.
Yellow is yellow and you are supposed to get your foot off the gas.
Scraping dead drivers off of race tracks is not my idea of fun.
On Jul 24, 9:26 pm, DAVe <smalleys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 24, 4:21 am, Clutch Cargo wrote:
> > I believe N should reinstate racing back to the start finish line when > > cautions are thrown to set the field running order. I also believe N > > should up the speed limit on pit road to 65. None of this should > > impose a problem since the COT is a safer car, more risk can be taken > > because of it.
> I'm glad you don't make the rules.
> Yellow is yellow and you are supposed to get your foot off the gas.
> Scraping dead drivers off of race tracks is not my idea of fun.
it's done in a relatively safe way though. usually the caution would happen behind the action, so racing back to the start/finish would only cause slight problems at short tracks where an accident could happen near the start/finish, at which point Nascar could use its current freezing the field at the caution loops.
> On Jul 24, 9:26 pm, DAVe <smalleys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 4:21 am, Clutch Cargo wrote:
> > > I believe N should reinstate racing back to the start finish line when > > > cautions are thrown to set the field running order. I also believe N > > > should up the speed limit on pit road to 65. None of this should > > > impose a problem since the COT is a safer car, more risk can be taken > > > because of it.
> > I'm glad you don't make the rules.
> > Yellow is yellow and you are supposed to get your foot off the gas.
> > Scraping dead drivers off of race tracks is not my idea of fun.
> it's done in a relatively safe way though. usually the caution would > happen behind the action, so racing back to the start/finish would > only cause slight problems at short tracks where an accident could > happen near the start/finish, at which point Nascar could use its > current freezing the field at the caution loops.
I strongly disagree. Racing takes all of your attention. Remembering which track you are on as to weather or not you can race to the start/ finish line is unreasonable to expect of drivers. Hell, we got morons who feel that pulling in front of a line of cars doing 190+ when coming out of the pits is ok. Last thing we need is guys like him trying to remember weather yellow means go or slow.
Yellow means unreasonable danger. Time to knock it off and solve the problem, then get back to racing.
> On Jul 24, 10:40 pm, Fish <davester_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 9:26 pm, DAVe <smalleys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 24, 4:21 am, Clutch Cargo wrote:
> > > > I believe N should reinstate racing back to the start finish line when > > > > cautions are thrown to set the field running order. I also believe N > > > > should up the speed limit on pit road to 65. None of this should > > > > impose a problem since the COT is a safer car, more risk can be taken > > > > because of it.
> > > I'm glad you don't make the rules.
> > > Yellow is yellow and you are supposed to get your foot off the gas.
> > > Scraping dead drivers off of race tracks is not my idea of fun.
> > it's done in a relatively safe way though. usually the caution would > > happen behind the action, so racing back to the start/finish would > > only cause slight problems at short tracks where an accident could > > happen near the start/finish, at which point Nascar could use its > > current freezing the field at the caution loops.
> I strongly disagree. Racing takes all of your attention. Remembering > which track you are on as to weather or not you can race to the start/ > finish line is unreasonable to expect of drivers. Hell, we got morons > who feel that pulling in front of a line of cars doing 190+ when > coming out of the pits is ok. Last thing we need is guys like him > trying to remember weather yellow means go or slow.
> Yellow means unreasonable danger. Time to knock it off and solve the > problem, then get back to racing.
surely though it could be done with all of the radio communication that goes on in the car, a crew chief and spotter can alert the driver, or this racing to caution could just be done on superspeedways where there is more than enough room, and already special rules for these tracks (restrictor plates, no passing below yellow line, etc.)
> On Jul 25, 7:39 pm, DAVe <smalleys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 10:40 pm, Fish <davester_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 24, 9:26 pm, DAVe <smalleys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jul 24, 4:21 am, Clutch Cargo wrote:
> > > > > I believe N should reinstate racing back to the start finish line when > > > > > cautions are thrown to set the field running order. I also believe N > > > > > should up the speed limit on pit road to 65. None of this should > > > > > impose a problem since the COT is a safer car, more risk can be taken > > > > > because of it.
> > > > I'm glad you don't make the rules.
> > > > Yellow is yellow and you are supposed to get your foot off the gas.
> > > > Scraping dead drivers off of race tracks is not my idea of fun.
> > > it's done in a relatively safe way though. usually the caution would > > > happen behind the action, so racing back to the start/finish would > > > only cause slight problems at short tracks where an accident could > > > happen near the start/finish, at which point Nascar could use its > > > current freezing the field at the caution loops.
> > I strongly disagree. Racing takes all of your attention. Remembering > > which track you are on as to weather or not you can race to the start/ > > finish line is unreasonable to expect of drivers. Hell, we got morons > > who feel that pulling in front of a line of cars doing 190+ when > > coming out of the pits is ok. Last thing we need is guys like him > > trying to remember weather yellow means go or slow.
> > Yellow means unreasonable danger. Time to knock it off and solve the > > problem, then get back to racing.
> surely though it could be done with all of the radio communication > that goes on in the car, a crew chief and spotter can alert the > driver, or this racing to caution could just be done on superspeedways > where there is more than enough room, and already special rules for > these tracks (restrictor plates, no passing below yellow line, etc.)
LOL! Have you ever tried to use radio communication in a crisis/ emergency situation? You get three morons keying over the important info because they are excited on a regular basis. Lots of drivers miss their instruction to pit or not pit because of this technological quirk. When I had the pleasure of running race control we had very strict instructions as to who could key the mike, when and for how long and very smart guys regularly screwed it up.
IMHO radio communication will be of no help in instructing a driver weather to go fast or go slow when a yellow drops.
> LOL! Have you ever tried to use radio communication in a crisis/ > emergency situation? You get three morons keying over the important > info because they are excited on a regular basis. Lots of drivers miss > their instruction to pit or not pit because of this technological > quirk. When I had the pleasure of running race control we had very > strict instructions as to who could key the mike, when and for how > long and very smart guys regularly screwed it up.
> IMHO radio communication will be of no help in instructing a driver > weather to go fast or go slow when a yellow drops.
With all due respect to your experience Dave - it has worked in the past.
> > LOL! Have you ever tried to use radio communication in a crisis/ > > emergency situation? You get three morons keying over the important > > info because they are excited on a regular basis. Lots of drivers miss > > their instruction to pit or not pit because of this technological > > quirk. When I had the pleasure of running race control we had very > > strict instructions as to who could key the mike, when and for how > > long and very smart guys regularly screwed it up.
> > IMHO radio communication will be of no help in instructing a driver > > weather to go fast or go slow when a yellow drops.
> With all due respect to your experience Dave - it has worked in the past.
To prove my point. Just now in the Brickyard Matt Kensith IMHO a great driver "I wanted to pit three laps ago, but it is so hard to communicate here."
>>> LOL! Have you ever tried to use radio communication in a crisis/ >>> emergency situation? You get three morons keying over the important >>> info because they are excited on a regular basis. Lots of drivers miss >>> their instruction to pit or not pit because of this technological >>> quirk. When I had the pleasure of running race control we had very >>> strict instructions as to who could key the mike, when and for how >>> long and very smart guys regularly screwed it up. >>> IMHO radio communication will be of no help in instructing a driver >>> weather to go fast or go slow when a yellow drops. >> With all due respect to your experience Dave - it has worked in the past.
> To prove my point. Just now in the Brickyard Matt Kensith IMHO a great > driver "I wanted to pit three laps ago, but it is so hard to > communicate here."
> So much four easy to communicate theory.
> Three laps at the brickyard is an eternity.
They've always radio communication problems at Indy because of the Pagoda.
