> In article <15xeege3h95if....@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon > =?utf-8?Q?Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> > writes: >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:37:05 +0000 (UTC), Garrett Wollman wrote:
>>> How is that relevant to Usenet? You can't delete anything, unless you >>> are the administrator of the news server.
>> Well, I have never used trn, but the newsreaders I have used all distinguish >> between *marking a posting as read* and *not showing it at all*
> Could you explain? My newreader, xrn, doesn't show me articles that I've > already read (unless I explictly mark them "unread"). If I've read them, > I seldom have reason to see them again, so it doesn't show them. That way, > it's possible to get down to zero articles.
> If your client continues to show you articles that you've already read: > - What's the point of it marking them "read"? > - How do you ever catch up if articles never go away?
The articles go away just fine.
But if an article is marked Read, it won't show up unless you tell your newsreader to "Show Read Articles."
If an article is Killed, it won't show up ever, even if you tell your newsreader to "Show Read Articles."
So when you read the newsgroup, it'll show you all the Unread articles.
As you read them, they get marked Read, which means you won't see them again unless you tell the newsreader to show them to you again.
But if you've instructed the filtering software to Killfile articles posted by Joe Schmoe, then they don't just get marked Read, they get Killed. You don't see them at all, even when you look at messages that have been marked Read.
Michael Stemper wrote: > In article <15xeege3h95if....@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon > =?utf-8?Q?Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> > writes: > > On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:37:05 +0000 (UTC), Garrett Wollman wrote:
> >> How is that relevant to Usenet? You can't delete anything, unless > you >> are the administrator of the news server.
> > Well, I have never used trn, but the newsreaders I have used all > > distinguish between *marking a posting as read* and *not showing it > > at all*
> Could you explain? My newreader, xrn, doesn't show me articles that > I've already read (unless I explictly mark them "unread"). If I've > read them, I seldom have reason to see them again, so it doesn't show > them. That way, it's possible to get down to zero articles.
> If your client continues to show you articles that you've already > read: - What's the point of it marking them "read"? > - How do you ever catch up if articles never go away?
XanaNews does either. With read messages, it displays them in the message tree with a different color (light gray). I usually have it set to not display read messages, but I can toggle if need be. With my filters, the choices are "don't download" and "don't display".
Brian
-- Day 274 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project
The upper left part of the window is the list of groups. The upper right is the contents of the group, ie. the list (or rather the tree, since it shows the thread structure) of articles. The lower part shows the current article.
I can go through articles by simply pressing Space - this way, after I finish reading an article, I automagically move to the next unread one. Those marked as already read are skipped. However, if I want to see any of them, I can simply click on the article in the upper right panel.
I killfile people or threads by telling Dialog to "mark as read"; it is of course possible to totally delete those articles, so that they don't show in the article list - I just don't use this feature.
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>> Actually, there is at least some trend towards New Year's Eve fireworks >> in the US, as well. I personally shoot off at least a few bottle rockets >> every year, and I'm north of the forty-fifth parallel
>brrrrrrrrrrr! 8-)
Bah! The 45th is only halfway to the Pole. I am north of the 50th which is not a lot more north.
Shall we take a census of polar bears (and, to be fair, penguins)?
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:23:12 -0800, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > Bah! The 45th is only halfway to the Pole. I am north of the > 50th which is not a lot more north.
> Shall we take a census of polar bears (and, to be fair, > penguins)?
Exactly 50°N here (and exactly 20°E). And if you ask me, -5°C at this season of the year isn't exactly "polar", but uncomfortably close.
-- Szymon Sokół (SS316-RIPE) -- Network Manager B Computer Center, AGH - University of Science and Technology, Cracow, Poland O http://home.agh.edu.pl/szymon/ PGP key id: RSA: 0x2ABE016B, DSS: 0xF9289982 F Free speech includes the right not to listen, if not interested -- Heinlein H
James Nicoll wrote: > In article <hcqaes$j3...@reader1.panix.com>, > James Nicoll <jdnic...@panix.com> wrote: > > Technically they were not my oven mitts, although I was using > them > > when I discovered they were not in any sense fire proof.
Oh. I was going to say that it could explain a lot.
Brian
-- Day 274 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project
Juho Julkunen wrote: > In article <10xxlnl2vnzm3....@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon =?utf-8?Q? > Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= (szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl) says... >> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:23:12 -0800, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>> Bah! The 45th is only halfway to the Pole. I am north of the >>> 50th which is not a lot more north.
>>> Shall we take a census of polar bears (and, to be fair, >>> penguins)? >> Exactly 50°N here (and exactly 20°E). And if you ask me, -5°C at this season >> of the year isn't exactly "polar", but uncomfortably close.
> Bah. Southeners. Here above the sixtieth we don't use fireworks to > scare away spirits. We use them to scare away polar bears.
Hey, don't take HIS statement as representing all of us. -5C isn't even COLD. It's not bathing-suit weather (except for the Polar Bear Club types) but my car still starts without even slowing down a bit.
James Nicoll <jdnic...@panix.com> wrote: >Gene Wirchenko <ge...@ocis.net> wrote: >>erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: >>> jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote: >>>> You know what else is surprisingly flammable? Oven mitts.
>>>But some more than others.
>> James's, presumably.
> Technically they were not my oven mitts, although I was using >when I discovered they were not in any sense fire proof.
And here I thought I had come up with an ownership test.
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>>> How is that relevant to Usenet? You can't delete anything, unless you >>> are the administrator of the news server.
>>Well, I have never used trn, but the newsreaders I have used all distinguish >>between *marking a posting as read* and *not showing it at all*
>Could you explain? My newreader, xrn, doesn't show me articles that I've >already read (unless I explictly mark them "unread"). If I've read them, >I seldom have reason to see them again, so it doesn't show them. That way, >it's possible to get down to zero articles.
>If your client continues to show you articles that you've already read: >- What's the point of it marking them "read"? >- How do you ever catch up if articles never go away?
My newsreader has three panels, normally shown in a "T" formation, but configurable for other arrangements. I normally use it zoomed in to see just one of the panels. One shows the newsgroups that I'm subscribed to, one shows the messages in the current newsgroup, and the third shows the current message.
If I'm viewing the list of messages, the read messages are a different colour than the unread ones. If I'm space-barring my way through the messages, it only shows me the ones I haven't read yet.
Burying the messages I've already read seems like the wrong approach to me. This is why we have many newsreaders -- everyone can find one closest to their desired configuration.
Before using my current newsreader (since early in 1995 IIRC), I used RTIN, which seemed intuitive. But that was a very long time ago, and I can't remember what it looked like. -- apart from one noisy guy up in Canada, no-one wants a three-cylinder tissue box on bicycle tires.
In article <mike-73CBA2.23425003112...@news.eternal-september.org>, Mike Ash <m...@mikeash.com> writes:
>In article <10xxlnl2vnzm3....@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon Sok—ł <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> wrote: >> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:23:12 -0800, Gene Wirchenko wrote: >> > Bah! The 45th is only halfway to the Pole. I am north of the >> > 50th which is not a lot more north.
>> > Shall we take a census of polar bears (and, to be fair, >> > penguins)?
>> Exactly 50﹚ here (and exactly 20「). And if you ask me, -5「 at this season >> of the year isn't exactly "polar", but uncomfortably close.
>Are you sure? According to Google Maps, 50N, 20E is in a stand of trees. >:)
And what is wrong with living in a stand of trees? (They only seem to be south of the road anyway.)
-- Michael F. Stemper #include <Standard_Disclaimer> Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.
> >> Actually, there is at least some trend towards New Year's Eve fireworks > >> in the US, as well. I personally shoot off at least a few bottle rockets > >> every year, and I'm north of the forty-fifth parallel
> >brrrrrrrrrrr! 8-)
> Bah! The 45th is only halfway to the Pole. I am north of the > 50th which is not a lot more north.
Ah, but in mid-continent or near the ameliorating influence of the sea?
> Shall we take a census of polar bears (and, to be fair, > penguins)?
I'm afraid our bears only come in brown and black around here.
-- Erilar, biblioholic
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In article <10xxlnl2vnzm3....@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon Sok—ł <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:23:12 -0800, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> > Bah! The 45th is only halfway to the Pole. I am north of the > > 50th which is not a lot more north.
> > Shall we take a census of polar bears (and, to be fair, > > penguins)?
> Exactly 50﹚ here (and exactly 20「). And if you ask me, -5「 at this season > of the year isn't exactly "polar", but uncomfortably close.
Ah, yes, that is fairly mid-continent. It's gray and damp here today and was pretty close to 0 Celsius this morning. Yesterday was colder but nice and sunny. I'm not terribly far north of 45, but definitely mid-continent 8-)
-- Erilar, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism [<Gr biblion] n. [BIBLIO + HOLISM] books, of books: habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
> In article <mike-73CBA2.23425003112...@news.eternal-september.org>, Mike Ash > <m...@mikeash.com> writes: > >In article <10xxlnl2vnzm3....@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon Sok—ł > ><szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> wrote: > >> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:23:12 -0800, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> >> > Bah! The 45th is only halfway to the Pole. I am north of the > >> > 50th which is not a lot more north.
> >> > Shall we take a census of polar bears (and, to be fair, > >> > penguins)?
> >> Exactly 50﹚ here (and exactly 20「). And if you ask me, -5「 at > >> this season > >> of the year isn't exactly "polar", but uncomfortably close.
> >Are you sure? According to Google Maps, 50N, 20E is in a stand of trees. > >:)
> And what is wrong with living in a stand of trees? (They only seem to > be south of the road anyway.)
It seems like it would be difficult to access Usenet from that location. Even with fancy wireless solutions, you still have the problem of powering it all and keeping it dry.
-- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:36:53 -0500, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> Juho Julkunen wrote: >> In article <10xxlnl2vnzm3....@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon =?utf-8?Q? >> Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= (szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl) says... [----] >>> Exactly 50°N here (and exactly 20°E). And if you ask me, -5°C at this season >>> of the year isn't exactly "polar", but uncomfortably close.
>> Bah. Southeners. Here above the sixtieth we don't use fireworks to >> scare away spirits. We use them to scare away polar bears.
> Hey, don't take HIS statement as representing all of us. -5C isn't even > COLD. It's not bathing-suit weather (except for the Polar Bear Club > types) but my car still starts without even slowing down a bit.
I said "at this season of the year". In January, -5C isn't really cold, but in early November?!
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:42:50 -0500, Mike Ash wrote: > In article <10xxlnl2vnzm3....@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, > Szymon Sok—ł <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:23:12 -0800, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>> Bah! The 45th is only halfway to the Pole. I am north of the >>> 50th which is not a lot more north.
>>> Shall we take a census of polar bears (and, to be fair, >>> penguins)?
>> Exactly 50﹚ here (and exactly 20「). And if you ask me, -5「 at this season >> of the year isn't exactly "polar", but uncomfortably close.
> Are you sure? According to Google Maps, 50N, 20E is in a stand of trees. > :)
-- Szymon Sokół (SS316-RIPE) -- Network Manager B Computer Center, AGH - University of Science and Technology, Cracow, Poland O http://home.agh.edu.pl/szymon/ PGP key id: RSA: 0x2ABE016B, DSS: 0xF9289982 F Free speech includes the right not to listen, if not interested -- Heinlein H
Szymon Sokół wrote: > On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:36:53 -0500, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> Juho Julkunen wrote: >>> In article <10xxlnl2vnzm3....@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon =?utf-8?Q? >>> Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= (szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl) says... > [----] >>>> Exactly 50°N here (and exactly 20°E). And if you ask me, -5°C at this season >>>> of the year isn't exactly "polar", but uncomfortably close. >>> Bah. Southeners. Here above the sixtieth we don't use fireworks to >>> scare away spirits. We use them to scare away polar bears.
>> Hey, don't take HIS statement as representing all of us. -5C isn't even >> COLD. It's not bathing-suit weather (except for the Polar Bear Club >> types) but my car still starts without even slowing down a bit.
> I said "at this season of the year". In January, -5C isn't really cold, but > in early November?!
We've had snowstorms a foot deep before Halloween in some years. Admittedly the weather's gotten terribly wussy in the past couple decades.
Never heard of this site before. Now as you mentioned it, I'll probably go take and upload some photos too :-)
-- Szymon Sokół (SS316-RIPE) -- Network Manager B Computer Center, AGH - University of Science and Technology, Cracow, Poland O http://home.agh.edu.pl/szymon/ PGP key id: RSA: 0x2ABE016B, DSS: 0xF9289982 F Free speech includes the right not to listen, if not interested -- Heinlein H
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