>>> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican!
>> An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of >> humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship.
> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency.
Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, weregoing to join the US. -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicoll http://www.cafepress.com/jdnicoll (For all your "The problem with defending the English language [...]" T-shirt, cup and tote-bag needs)
In article <hd4uhl$b0...@news.eternal-september.org>, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> Matt Hughes wrote: > > On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican!
> > An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of > > humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship.
> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency.
You have obviously never had to deal with the US immigration authorities. It's incredibly difficult just to get someone into the country legally when she's married to a citizen. It becomes completely ridiculous if you don't have such an advantage. So no, I suspect that 80-90% out of that 95% could not, in fact, remedy that deficiency even if they wanted to.
-- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
> In article <hd4uhl$b0...@news.eternal-september.org>, > Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >> Matt Hughes wrote: >>> On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican!
>>> An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of >>> humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship.
>> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency.
> Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, > I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the > announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, > weregoing to join the US.
And this would be a problem for exactly what reason?
James Nicoll wrote: > In article <hd4uhl$b0...@news.eternal-september.org>, > Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >> Matt Hughes wrote: >>> On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican! >>> An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of >>> humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship. >> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency.
> Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, > I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the > announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, > weregoing to join the US.
Not IMMIGRATE, you silly person. Have all you other countries JOIN the USA, becoming our newest possessions.
Mike Ash wrote: > In article <hd4uhl$b0...@news.eternal-september.org>, > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> Matt Hughes wrote: >>> On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican! >>> An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of >>> humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship. >> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency.
> You have obviously never had to deal with the US immigration > authorities.
I didn't say IMMIGRATE. JOIN us. Become PART of us. No more of these "other countries", just EVERYTHING is the USA.
> Mike Ash wrote: > > In article <hd4uhl$b0...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >> Matt Hughes wrote: > >>> On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >>>> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican! > >>> An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of > >>> humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship. > >> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency.
> > You have obviously never had to deal with the US immigration > > authorities.
> I didn't say IMMIGRATE. JOIN us. Become PART of us. No more of these > "other countries", just EVERYTHING is the USA.
I highly doubt that Americans would accept this any more easily than the other one.
-- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
>James Nicoll wrote: >> In article <hd4uhl$b0...@news.eternal-september.org>, >> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >>> Matt Hughes wrote: >>>> On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican! >>>> An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of >>>> humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship. >>> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency.
>> Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, >> I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the >> announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, >> weregoing to join the US.
> Not IMMIGRATE, you silly person. Have all you other countries JOIN the >USA, becoming our newest possessions.
I look forward to you explaining to the brown trouser brigade that about 2 - 3% of the voters will be the current Republican bases, while 20% will be Red Chinese and 17% will be Indian. -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicoll http://www.cafepress.com/jdnicoll (For all your "The problem with defending the English language [...]" T-shirt, cup and tote-bag needs)
Mike Ash <m...@mikeash.com> wrote: > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >> I didn't say IMMIGRATE. JOIN us. Become PART of us. No more of these >> "other countries", just EVERYTHING is the USA.
>I highly doubt that Americans would accept this any more easily than the >other one.
... I'd vote for it.
Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
On Nov 7, 10:50 pm, Mike Ash <m...@mikeash.com> wrote:
> In article <hd5jto$p4...@news.eternal-september.org>, > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: > > I didn't say IMMIGRATE. JOIN us. Become PART of us. No more of these > > "other countries", just EVERYTHING is the USA.
> I highly doubt that Americans would accept this any more easily than the > other one.
I don't know. If they fixed it so that only "real Americans" could vote, it might work out just fine, as well as bringing about world peace. I think they had a system of government like that on the southern tip of Africa at one time.
> In article <hd5jp4$p4...@news.eternal-september.org>, > Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >> James Nicoll wrote: >>> In article <hd4uhl$b0...@news.eternal-september.org>, >>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >>>> Matt Hughes wrote: >>>>> On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican! >>>>> An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of >>>>> humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship. >>>> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency.
>>> Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, >>> I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the >>> announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, >>> weregoing to join the US.
>> Not IMMIGRATE, you silly person. Have all you other countries JOIN the >> USA, becoming our newest possessions.
> I look forward to you explaining to the brown trouser brigade that > about 2 - 3% of the voters will be the current Republican bases, while > 20% will be Red Chinese and 17% will be Indian.
Again, I quite fail to see a problem. I do see much potential for comedy. Why, just Rush Limbaugh alone should provide considerable amusement.
And, of course, the frothing would not come just from Rush and Glen Beck and others of his ilk. Certain politicians and commentators and various others who Professionally View With Alarm in other former nations would also be screaming, though for different reasons. Hugo Chavez, for just one delicious instance. The comedy factor alone would be a reason to push for this. That, and the way that after it's all over a significant percentage of Viewers With Alarm will have expired for one reason or another and this would lower the world's population, a Good Thing.
On Nov 7, 6:31 pm, J.J. O'Shea <try.not...@but.see.sig> wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:51:22 -0500, James Nicoll wrote > (in article <hd515q$pl...@reader1.panix.com>): > > Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, > > I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the > > announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, > > weregoing to join the US.
> And this would be a problem for exactly what reason?
He didn't *say* the wave of strokes would be a problem, just that it would occur. It's hard to say what effect it would have on overall health care costs; raise them in some cases, lower them in others.
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: > James Nicoll wrote: > > In article <hd4uhl$b0...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: > >> Matt Hughes wrote: > >>> On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >>>> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican! > >>> An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of > >>> humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship. > >> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency.
> > Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, > > I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the > > announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, > > weregoing to join the US.
> Not IMMIGRATE, you silly person. Have all you other countries JOIN the > USA, becoming our newest possessions.
Silliest idea I ever heard of. Are you aware that the Constitution says that "[t]he United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government"? You want 100 Iraqs and 100 Afghanistans, as we try to guarantee Burma, Oman, Illinois, Zimbabwe, England, etc. a republican form of government?
Here's a better idea. Admit Alberta as the 51st state. Combine Maine and Vermont into one state, to keep the number at an even 50 and avoid the need to redesign the flag. Let the Puerto Ricans go free.
Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote: >"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >> James Nicoll wrote: >> > I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the >> > announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, >> > weregoing to join the US.
>> Not IMMIGRATE, you silly person. Have all you other countries JOIN the >> USA, becoming our newest possessions.
>Silliest idea I ever heard of. Are you aware that the Constitution >says that "[t]he United States shall guarantee to every State in this >Union a Republican Form of Government"? You want 100 Iraqs and 100 >Afghanistans, as we try to guarantee Burma, Oman, Illinois, Zimbabwe, >England, etc. a republican form of government?
...can't we just amend that to "a Democratic Form of Government"?
Dave "there's glory for you" DeLaney -- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
James Nicoll wrote: > In article <hd5jp4$p4...@news.eternal-september.org>, > Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >> James Nicoll wrote: >>> In article <hd4uhl$b0...@news.eternal-september.org>, >>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >>>> Matt Hughes wrote: >>>>> On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican! >>>>> An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of >>>>> humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship. >>>> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency.
>>> Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, >>> I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the >>> announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, >>> weregoing to join the US. >> Not IMMIGRATE, you silly person. Have all you other countries JOIN the >> USA, becoming our newest possessions.
> I look forward to you explaining to the brown trouser brigade that > about 2 - 3% of the voters will be the current Republican bases, while > 20% will be Red Chinese and 17% will be Indian.
Oh, they just don't get the vote right away. First they have to become properly acculturated. Once they're all speaking American English, watching American Shows, and buying shoddy American products, THEN they're ready to be American voters!
> James Nicoll wrote: > > In article <hd5jp4$p4...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: > >> James Nicoll wrote: > >>> In article <hd4uhl$b0...@news.eternal-september.org>, > >>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: > >>>> Matt Hughes wrote: > >>>>> On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican! > >>>>> An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of > >>>>> humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship. > >>>> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency.
> >>> Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, > >>> I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the > >>> announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, > >>> weregoing to join the US. > >> Not IMMIGRATE, you silly person. Have all you other countries JOIN the > >> USA, becoming our newest possessions.
> > I look forward to you explaining to the brown trouser brigade that > > about 2 - 3% of the voters will be the current Republican bases, while > > 20% will be Red Chinese and 17% will be Indian.
> Oh, they just don't get the vote right away. First they have to become > properly acculturated. Once they're all speaking American English, > watching American Shows, and buying shoddy American products, THEN > they're ready to be American voters!
Is there some minimum usage requirements? I already do all of the above, at least some of the time.
Butch Malahide wrote: > On Nov 7, 11:08 pm, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" > <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >> James Nicoll wrote: >>> In article <hd4uhl$b0...@news.eternal-september.org>, >>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >>>> Matt Hughes wrote: >>>>> On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote: >>>>>> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican! >>>>> An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of >>>>> humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship. >>>> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency. >>> Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, >>> I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the >>> announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, >>> weregoing to join the US. >> Not IMMIGRATE, you silly person. Have all you other countries JOIN the >> USA, becoming our newest possessions.
> Silliest idea I ever heard of. Are you aware that the Constitution > says that "[t]he United States shall guarantee to every State in this > Union a Republican Form of Government"? You want 100 Iraqs and 100 > Afghanistans, as we try to guarantee Burma, Oman, Illinois, Zimbabwe, > England, etc. a republican form of government?
If they JOIN us, presumably they're EAGER for us to give them our form of government, having seen the light and accepted the Proper American Destiny for the Universe.
Juho Julkunen wrote: > In article <hd6lc0$2u...@news.eternal-september.org>, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. > Spoor) (seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com) says... >> James Nicoll wrote: >>> In article <hd5jp4$p4...@news.eternal-september.org>, >>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >>>> James Nicoll wrote: >>>>> In article <hd4uhl$b0...@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: >>>>>> Matt Hughes wrote: >>>>>>> On 7 Nov, 18:28, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> But that is (or at least used to be) downright UnAmerican! >>>>>>> An irrelevant observation to those of us, comprising 95 per cent of >>>>>>> humanity, who are not blessed with American citizenship. >>>>>> You 95% could all REMEDY that deficiency.
>>>>> Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, >>>>> I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the >>>>> announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, >>>>> weregoing to join the US. >>>> Not IMMIGRATE, you silly person. Have all you other countries JOIN the >>>> USA, becoming our newest possessions.
>>> I look forward to you explaining to the brown trouser brigade that >>> about 2 - 3% of the voters will be the current Republican bases, while >>> 20% will be Red Chinese and 17% will be Indian. >> Oh, they just don't get the vote right away. First they have to become >> properly acculturated. Once they're all speaking American English, >> watching American Shows, and buying shoddy American products, THEN >> they're ready to be American voters!
> Is there some minimum usage requirements? I already do all of the > above, at least some of the time.
> Oh, _all_ of us. Got it.
Well, I'm sure that we'd accept some high majority; there'll always be a few old people who just can't adapt to the new language and customs. Are we not generous?
On Nov 8, 2:06 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 10:50 pm, Mike Ash <m...@mikeash.com> wrote: > > I highly doubt that Americans would accept this any more easily than the > > other one.
> I don't know. If they fixed it so that only "real Americans" could > vote, it might work out just fine, as well as bringing about world > peace. I think they had a system of government like that on the > southern tip of Africa at one time.
It has occurred to me that you don't really have to do anything so wicked and evil as that.
There's a much simpler solution. Just put judges in the Supreme Court that respect the Constitution.
That way, it doesn't matter how many voters from China and India there are; taxes still won't go up, because the Federal government can only spend money for "the common defense" and "the general welfare". So they will be quite unable to vote themselves any welfare! (After all, Libertarians have claimed that the U.S., as part of going Libertarian, would abolish its immigration laws.)
Farm subsidies (which is how food stamps kicked in) and pork (since everything else is cheaper when made in China, why not our space rockets) would be another matter, though.
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote: > If they JOIN us, presumably they're EAGER for us to give them our form > of government, having seen the light and accepted the Proper American > Destiny for the Universe.
Has any other country modeled its government after the American tripartite experiment?
Matt Hughes wrote: > On 8 Nov, 16:09, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" > <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> If they JOIN us, presumably they're EAGER for us to give them our form >> of government, having seen the light and accepted the Proper American >> Destiny for the Universe.
> Has any other country modeled its government after the American > tripartite experiment?
I expect so. I don't know for sure, but it would appear to be one of the possibilities considered by some of the newer countries, at least, at one point in their recent histories. They do tend to change government models rather frequently.
In article <7f05ee07-26d8-426e-b890-e3824f00d...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Nov 7, 10:50 pm, Mike Ash <m...@mikeash.com> wrote: > > In article <hd5jto$p4...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> > > I didn't say IMMIGRATE. JOIN us. Become PART of us. No more of these > > > "other countries", just EVERYTHING is the USA.
> > I highly doubt that Americans would accept this any more easily than the > > other one.
> I don't know. If they fixed it so that only "real Americans" could > vote, it might work out just fine, as well as bringing about world > peace. I think they had a system of government like that on the > southern tip of Africa at one time.
And wasn't that a jolly and peaceful place to be!
-- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
In article <bdc1c4e8-50ef-4e13-a261-99362df29...@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 6:31 pm, J.J. O'Shea <try.not...@but.see.sig> wrote: > > On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:51:22 -0500, James Nicoll wrote > > (in article <hd515q$pl...@reader1.panix.com>): > > > Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, > > > I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the > > > announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, > > > weregoing to join the US.
> > And this would be a problem for exactly what reason?
> He didn't *say* the wave of strokes would be a problem, just that it > would occur. It's hard to say what effect it would have on overall > health care costs; raise them in some cases, lower them in others.
Hey, strokes are fairly cheap, health-care wise, compared to some other ways to go. . .
-- Erilar, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism [<Gr biblion] n. [BIBLIO + HOLISM] books, of books: habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
> > On Nov 7, 6:31 pm, J.J. O'Shea <try.not...@but.see.sig> wrote: > > > On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:51:22 -0500, James Nicoll wrote > > > (in article <hd515q$pl...@reader1.panix.com>): > > > > Gien the pants-filling that goes on over Mexicans, > > > > I can only imagine the wave of strokes that would follow the > > > > announcement that 6 billion foreigners, mostly non-white, > > > > weregoing to join the US.
> > > And this would be a problem for exactly what reason?
> > He didn't *say* the wave of strokes would be a problem, just that it > > would occur. It's hard to say what effect it would have on overall > > health care costs; raise them in some cases, lower them in others.
> Hey, strokes are fairly cheap, health-care wise, compared to some other > ways to go. . .
Only if you actually *go*. If you stay, it can become quite expensive.
-- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
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