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71 battles in which 70 of them he was the aggressor.  Mohammad was an evil opportunist.  He pieced his 'bible' together from what he learned from other religions in the world, including Jewish, told everybody he was god or a messenger from god (allah), vanquished those that opposed him and was able to gather a large group of weak minded individuals to follow him.   In his ‘bible’ (called the koran) to insure his dominance, he states that you are not to make friends or be in company of those that believe otherwise.   It says in the koran to not be friends with others.  If you change your mind about being a Moslem it is the duty of other Moslems to kill you.  Kinda “in your face” with your “LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE” bullshit you are implying.   You are a liar and a hypocrite.


‘One Muslim extremist of the Islamic Liberation party reminded his
interlocutors just before the scheduled opening of the party’s
international rally in London in August, 1994, that “there are 123
verses in the Quran about killing and fighting.” And he added, quite
unnecessarily, “Ours is not a passive religion.”’ (Fregosi, P., 1998,
p.18, Jihad).

(Extremists like Bin Laden quote many verses from the Quran and
Islamic traditions in their speeches.) Two of the verses moderate
Muslims often quote are Sura 5:32 and Sura 5:82. (A Sura is the
equivalent of a chapter in the Quran.) Sura 5:32 says: ‘…if any one
slew a person…it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any
one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole
people….’ Hence the killing of the innocent is wrong. Certain
extremists, however, are very quick to point out that non-Muslims are
not innocent  and some refer to the verse which immediately follows
Sura 5:32 (5:33). Sura 5:83 also seems to change the meaning of Sura
5:82.

WAR IN THE QURAN AND HADITH

Here are two of the 123 verses referred to above. The Muslim Students
Association (MSA) of the University of Southern California put the
Quran on-line from which these verses are taken. [Note: the numbering
of these varies slightly between translations.

    ‘O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to
you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with
those who keep their duty (unto Him)’ (Sura al-Tawba 9:123).

    ‘Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger,
nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the
People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission,
and feel themselves subdued’ (Sura al-Tawba 9:29).

Allah's Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people
till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but
Allah...'”(Sahih Bukhari, 1:8:387).

After ten years of fighting, Mohammed died in 632 A.D. The pattern had
been established, "Invitation first (that is, call them first to
embrace Islam). If they refuse, then war."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SddesLgxzHM, The Myth of Islamic Tolerance
by Robert Spencer (editor), www.danielpipes.org/article/2384 &
www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-2058502,00.html).

History has shown that Muslims often fight against other Muslims
because they cannot accept their interpretation of the Quran or their
particular application of the Law. Many Muslim countries regard other
Muslim countries as not strict enough when it comes to applying the
Sharia (Law based on the Quran & Hadith); and groups such as the
Wahabis in Saudi Arabia claim others are not true Muslims. One can
expect to see an increase in violence, between Islamic groups, until
all are united under the long awaited Mahdi.

And what if a united Islam obtains the technology and military might
to challenge western nations? If the world is forced to accept Islamic
Law it will not be a more peaceful place.

The few countries that have adopted the Sharia are all disasters.
After its adoption in Sudan (1983), many black Africans were enslaved
and over 2 mil-lion non-Muslims were murdered in that country. They
were regarded as enemies of Allah for the crime of seeking freedom of
speech, freedom of religion and democracy. Such is the law of Islam.
(For a closer look at extreme Islam see Holy Warriors by Orr-Ewing and
Escape from Slavery by Francis Bok.)

LIVING UNDER SHARIA (ISLAMIC LAW)

We note also that while Islam is supposed to bring equality between
Muslims, in practice this has never occurred. Many believe they are
better than other Muslims because of race or birth. And the super rich
are able to avoid many of the harsh punishments from which poor people
cannot escape.

Sadly, many dream of a world under the Sharia because they believe it
is the solution to the problems that plague humanity. “Foreign
Correspondent” (Australian TV) has screened some of the atrocities
committed publicly by Muslims against Muslims. Unfortunately, these
acts were approved by the religious leaders of those communities. See
www.abc.net.au/foreign/stories/s403270.htm

Thinking people may ask, “If there are so many problems in the Islamic
world why do so many re-main true to Islam?” It is true that many
Muslims feel safe within their communities. Also, Muslims are
continually told by their peers that Islam is a wonderful religion.
But there is one factor which is often ignored by the western media;
it is not safe for most Muslims to turn their backs on Islam. To the
fanatical Muslim, anyone who gives up Islam must have done it because
of insanity. Though Sura 2:256 states there is ‘no compulsion in
religion’, many have suffered the death penalty for apostasy.

‘I heard the Prophet saying, “In the last days (of the world) there
will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will
give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of
its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you
find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on
the Day of Resurrection”’ (Bukhari, 6:6:577). (Violence is not always
having the desired effect. See www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTg9tvd1CRM and
www.the-good-way.com/eng/book/b09 for the stories of two men. For more
about the punishment of those who turn their back on (or oppose) Islam
see www.answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv1.html)

But what about non-Muslims who live under Sharia law? What is it like
for them? In a court of law the testimony of a non-Muslim is
considered inferior to that of a Muslim and non-Muslims must pay more
tax. These and other injustices are so the ‘infidel’ might convert.
See www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/index.htm (The book, A People
Betrayed, by Patrick Sookhdeo takes an in-depth look into how Pakistan
went from being a country that promised equality to one that oppresses
minorities.)

Those who fight to implement the Sharia, are not ‘freedom fighters’,
but freedom destroyers. See
www.answering-islam.org/Terrorism/by_the_sword.html

REASON FOR CONCERN?

Should Islam be taken as a serious threat to today's non-Muslim
communities? (See Dispatches- Undercover Mosque on
www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo, the DVD Obsession
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vypKSWHlnKA;
http://pnews.org/ArT/FrE/HAR.shtml and the list on
www.thereligionofpeace.com )
A Cambridge University panel discussion (23rd Jan 2003) was held on
the topic "Is Islam a threat to the West?" Some of the so called
moderate Muslims who took part in the discussion, refused to share the
stage with some of the Islamic extremists who were invited. As the
discussion wore on and questions were asked it became apparent that
the moderates were not as moderate as they would have liked people to
believe. (Appearances can be deceiving.) If they were ‘moderate’ it
only seems to reinforce the view that while there are moderate Muslims
Islam itself is not moderate. See
www.answering-islam.org/Andy/cambridge012303.html,
www.answering-islam.org/Silas/islam_test.htm

The only authentic thing about islam (meaning submission) is the misery
(intellectual, cultural, spiritual, economical, ...) that impose on
mulims (meaning those who submit).

A quote “We believe the problem is The Koran, which
actually simply is the record of Muhammad's hallucinations mixed with
Arabian desert culture from 1500 years ago.  “

+++++++

Many would say that only "radical" Muslims espouse Jihad.  If that is
so, then every Muslim who believes in the Qur'an must be radical.  As
you shall see, the Qur'an specifically makes a case for waging Jihad
against infidels.  The following are quotes from the Qur'an:

"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power,
including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the
enemies of Allah...Whatever ye spend in the cause of Allah shall be
repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly." (Surah 8:60)

"Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if
they were a solid cemented structure," (Surah 61:4). 

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress
limits...191And slay them wherever ye catch them. and turn them out
from where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than
slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they (first)
fight you there; But if they fight you, slay them.  Such is the reward
of those who reject faith.  192 But if they cease, Allah is
oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.  193And fight them on until there is no
more persecution. And the religion becomes Allah's.  But if they
cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice
oppression" (Surah 2:190-193).

"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are
asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the
earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But
little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and
put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For
Allah hath power over all things.  Unless ye go forth, He will punish
you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye
would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things,"
(Surah 9:38-39).

"For the unbelievers are to you open enemies" (Surah 4:101)

"Seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and in any case take
no friends or helpers from their ranks." (Surah 4:89)

"Then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,
beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
(Surah 9:5)

As you can see, the commandment to wage a holy war against infidels
comes not from some radical Islamic cleric.  It comes, in fact, from
the Islamic scripture!  And while there are radical Muslim sects, one
of which thinks that Jihad should be the sixth Pillar of Islam, the
practice of Jihad is mainstream.  For even more evidence, let's refer
to the Hadith.  The Hadith are the quotes and actions of the Muslim
prophet Muhammad.  They are often used in conjunction with the Qur'an
to clarify scripture.  As you can see, Muhammad favored Holy War as
well:

"The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in
Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah
and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward,
or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is
killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my
followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad
and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made
alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred
in His cause." Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35, Narrated Abu Huraira.
"Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu
Huraira added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e.
holy battles), Hajj, and my duty to serve my mother, I would have
loved to die as a slave. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724: Narrated Abu
Huraira.
"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees (the person who carries out
Jihad in His Cause and nothing compelled him to go out but Jihad in
His Cause and the belief in His Word) that He will either admit him
into Paradise (Martyrdom) or return him with reward or booty he has
earned to his residence from where he went out." Volume 9, Book 93,
Number 555: Narrated Abu Huraira.
Why is it important to know this?  Because every non-Muslim must
realize that according to Islam, you are an infidel.  And to a
faithful Muslim who believes the Qur'an and faithfully executes his
religious duties, you are an enemy.  


"I have been made victorious through terror."
-- Muhammad, founder of Islam


 

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Aug 14 2008 by Trance Gemini
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Jul 15 2008 by MEG
"History" isn't hatred, "Facts" are not hatred. Gowever, It would be
difficult to see your emotion with your head extended so far up your
colon.
Jul 13 2008 by omprem
As usual from MEG we have a continuation of her delusional rant that
started off this thread. Hatred, no matter how many it is repeated
does not turn magically into truth. It is a logical fallacy for you to
think that it does.

FYI: If a cleric says that " you are not to make friends or be in
company
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