> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:18 PM, student13 <pairam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Brock my friend,
> > you claim " I am a Christian".
> > The word christian is supposed to communicate
> > some thoughts of yours.
> > Do you think, you can now explain/elaborate on what one
> > should understand when one claims he is Chrisitan?
> > And how it differs from others !
> Its even more simple. I just don't represent or articulate positions from:
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:58 AM, LL <llp...@aol.com> wrote:
> LL: Ok, I will, from now on, refer to you as an atheist, since you
> have identified yourself as one.
On Nov 3, 9:59 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello Brock my friend,
> > when you reply any post, do you reply the questions raised
> > or you *just* want to write a reply, which may be not related
> > to the question raised?
> Hi Student,
> For the sake of clarity and specificity, I'm happy to address one
> point at a time. :)
> > So I am not a "theist" (nor is there any such specific position).
So, using your own logic, you are not an American, you are a North
Carolinian.
Why?
Because you are not
a Texan,
a New Mexican,
a Californian,
an Alaskan,
an Oregonian,
etc.
Got it.
The simple believeth every word.
Pr. 14:15
_______________________________________________
I find that people seem to think religion brings morals and
appreciation of nature. I actually think it detracts from both.
-- Linus Torvalds
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 9:59 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello Brock my friend,
> > > when you reply any post, do you reply the questions raised
> > > or you *just* want to write a reply, which may be not related
> > > to the question raised?
> > Hi Student,
> > For the sake of clarity and specificity, I'm happy to address one
> > point at a time. :)
> > > So I am not a "theist" (nor is there any such specific position).
> So, using your own logic, you are not an American, you are a North
> Carolinian.
> Why?
> Because you are not
> a Texan,
> a New Mexican,
> a Californian,
> an Alaskan,
> an Oregonian,
> etc.
> _______________________________________________
> I find that people seem to think religion brings morals and
> appreciation of nature. I actually think it detracts from both.
> -- Linus Torvalds
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 9:59 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Hello Brock my friend,
>> > > when you reply any post, do you reply the questions raised
>> > > or you *just* want to write a reply, which may be not related
>> > > to the question raised?
>> > Hi Student,
>> > For the sake of clarity and specificity, I'm happy to address one
>> > point at a time. :)
>> > > So I am not a "theist" (nor is there any such specific position).
>> So, using your own logic, you are not an American, you are a North
>> Carolinian.
(Christian)is a person who adherest to Christianity, and Abrahamic,
Monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth,
who Christians believe is the Messiah (the Christ in Greek derived
terminology) prophesied in the old Testament/Hebrew Bible, and the Son of
God.
The term "Christain" is also used adjectivally to describe anything
associated with Christianity, or in a proverbial sense "all that is noble,
and good, and Christ-like, as in the Christian thing to do
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:18 PM, student13 <pairam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Brock my friend,
> > you claim " I am a Christian".
> > The word christian is supposed to communicate
> > some thoughts of yours.
> > Do you think, you can now explain/elaborate on what one
> > should understand when one claims he is Chrisitan?
> > And how it differs from others !
> Its even more simple. I just don't represent or articulate positions from:
> So I am not a "theist" (nor is there any such specific position).
> Regards,
> Brock
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Doris Ragland <dr4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (Christian)is a person who adherest to Christianity, and Abrahamic,
> Monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth,
> who Christians believe is the Messiah (the Christ in Greek derived
> terminology) prophesied in the old Testament/Hebrew Bible, and the Son of
> God.
> The term "Christain" is also used adjectivally to describe anything
> associated with Christianity, or in a proverbial sense "all that is noble,
> and good, and Christ-like, as in the Christian thing to do
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Doris Ragland <dr4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > (Christian)is a person who adherest to Christianity, and Abrahamic,
> > Monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth,
> > who Christians believe is the Messiah (the Christ in Greek derived
> > terminology) prophesied in the old Testament/Hebrew Bible, and the Son of
> > God.
> > The term "Christain" is also used adjectivally to describe anything
> > associated with Christianity, or in a proverbial sense "all that is noble,
> > and good, and Christ-like, as in the Christian thing to do
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:21 PM, student13 <pairam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now that we have something which as per you is "nicely put",
> can you kindly look at the following pl?
> The Pope (Catholic)
> Ray Comfort (Evangelical)
> Jimmy Carter (Southern Baptist)
> I understand there are many like the above.
> can you be kind enough to tell if they are Christians like you
> or they are any different?
Consider the term to be one with multiple meanings, depending upon
context. For example:
--adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings:
a Christian faith.
2. of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion
based on the teachings of Jesus Christ: Spain is a Christian country.
3. of or pertaining to Christians: many Christian deaths in the Crusades.
4. exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ;
Christlike: She displayed true Christian charity.
5. decent; respectable: They gave him a good Christian burial.
6. human; not brutal; humane: Such behavior isn't Christian.
--noun
7. a person who believes in Jesus Christ; adherent of Christianity.
8. a person who exemplifies in his or her life the teachings of
Christ: He died like a true Christian.
9. a member of any of certain Protestant churches, as the Disciples
of Christ and the Plymouth Brethren.
10. the hero of Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress.
11. a male given name.
Of course, I consider that the list above is not complete for a
specific and important use of the term "Christian", and like how the
Confession puts it:
"Those of mankind that are predestinated unto life, God, before the
foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and
immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his
will, hath chosen in Christ, unto everlasting glory, out of his free
grace and love alone, without any foresight of faith or good works, or
perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature, as
conditions, or causes moving him thereunto; and all to the praise of
his glorious grace."
So for each of the persons you mentioned above, the term "christian"
in one or more of the 11 different senses may be applicable, but for
the specific Confession definition I've cited, God has chosen, and
only He can (and will) answer authoritatively.
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 5:39 PM, LL <llp...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 29, 7:04 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:54 AM, LL <llp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >> > So I am a Christian, not a theist.
> >> >> <sigh>
> >> >> Can he get any dumber than that?
> >> > LL: I don't think so, but I'm open to further evidence.
> >> Now you're just taunting ... ;D
> > LL: Not at all. I'm making a serious point. If you believe in any god
> > at all you're a theist.
> I am not a theist. There is no specific thing. I am a specifically a
> Christian.
> > If you don't you an atheist. Since you seem to
> > make a distinction between Christianity and theism, I really don't now
> > where you're going with it--unless it's you who's doing the taunting.
> I think I've been clear, I don't represent or defend positions from:
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You might call yourself a Christian but it is clear that you are not
> very bright.
It's very bright to be clear and specific that I do not articulate nor
defend positions from:
And that any term that doesn't distinguish between these beliefs and
my christian position is simply not adequate. And of course, given
the limitations of that term, and the specific and direct
applicability of "Christian", the choice to use any other rather
reflects poorly on it's user.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Was Jesus divine?
Jesus Christ is divine, and as the Confession puts it:
"The Son of God, the second Person in the Trinity, being very and
eternal God, of one substance, and equal with the Father, did, when
the fullness of time was come, take upon him man's nature, ... So that
two whole, perfect, and distinct natures, the Godhead and the manhood,
were inseparably joined together in one person, without conversion,
composition, or confusion. Which person is very God and very man, yet
one Christ, the only Mediator between God and man."
On Nov 4, 7:41 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Was Jesus divine?
> Jesus Christ is divine, and as the Confession puts it:
Then that puts you at odds with most other Christians.
> "The Son of God, the second Person in the Trinity, being very and
> eternal God, of one substance, and equal with the Father, did, when
> the fullness of time was come, take upon him man's nature, ... So that
> two whole, perfect, and distinct natures, the Godhead and the manhood,
> were inseparably joined together in one person, without conversion,
> composition, or confusion. Which person is very God and very man, yet
> one Christ, the only Mediator between God and man."
This is not from scripture. There is no justification for Jesus'
divinity in the bible.
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > You might call yourself a Christian but it is clear that you are not
> > very bright.
> It's very bright to be clear and specific that I do not articulate nor
> defend positions from:
> And that any term that doesn't distinguish between these beliefs and
> my christian position is simply not adequate. And of course, given
> the limitations of that term, and the specific and direct
> applicability of "Christian", the choice to use any other rather
> reflects poorly on it's user.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:24 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Was Jesus divine?
>> Jesus Christ is divine, and as the Confession puts it:
> Then that puts you at odds with most other Christians.
I don't believe that is a statement you can support.
>> "The Son of God, the second Person in the Trinity, being very and
>> eternal God, of one substance, and equal with the Father, did, when
>> the fullness of time was come, take upon him man's nature, ... So that
>> two whole, perfect, and distinct natures, the Godhead and the manhood,
>> were inseparably joined together in one person, without conversion,
>> composition, or confusion. Which person is very God and very man, yet
>> one Christ, the only Mediator between God and man."
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Psssst! Hey Brock you seem to have lost the plot - you keep
> repeating yourself.
It's a consistent position: I am a Christian, not a theist.
On Nov 4, 8:37 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Psssst! Hey Brock you seem to have lost the plot - you keep
> > repeating yourself.
> It's a consistent position: I am a Christian, not a theist.
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:24 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Was Jesus divine?
> >> Jesus Christ is divine, and as the Confession puts it:
> > Then that puts you at odds with most other Christians.
> I don't believe that is a statement you can support.
> >> "The Son of God, the second Person in the Trinity, being very and
> >> eternal God, of one substance, and equal with the Father, did, when
> >> the fullness of time was come, take upon him man's nature, ... So that
> >> two whole, perfect, and distinct natures, the Godhead and the manhood,
> >> were inseparably joined together in one person, without conversion,
> >> composition, or confusion. Which person is very God and very man, yet
> >> one Christ, the only Mediator between God and man."
You are still confused. It says that JC is the mediator BETWEEN god
and man. It says god BEGOT JC. We are all BEGOT of god. Nowhere does
it state that JC is go or is even of the same substance anymore than
we all are.
> > There is no justification for Jesus'
> > divinity in the bible.
> That's simply not a responsible statement. Consider:
You seem blind to the simple facts that you have set before me which
does nothing to establish a divinity for JC. In all the references you
have offered NONE support JCs divinity.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:42 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 8:37 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Psssst! Hey Brock you seem to have lost the plot - you keep
>> > repeating yourself.
>> It's a consistent position: I am a Christian, not a theist.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:46 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It says that JC is the mediator BETWEEN god
> and man. It says god BEGOT JC. We are all BEGOT of god.
More clearly, the Confession notes the special and unique relationship
between God the Father and God the Son; one shared by no other human:
"The Son of God, the second Person in the Trinity, being very and
eternal God, of one substance, and equal with the Father, did, when
the fullness of time was come, take upon him man's nature, with all
the essential properties and common infirmities thereof; yet without
sin: being conceived by he power of the Holy Ghost, in the womb of the
Virgin Mary, of her substance. So that two whole, perfect, and
distinct natures, the Godhead and the manhood, were inseparably joined
together in one person, without conversion, composition, or confusion.
Which person is very God and very man, yet one Christ, the only
Mediator between God and man."
> "The Son of God, the second Person in the Trinity, being very and
> eternal God, of one substance, and equal with the Father, did, when
> the fullness of time was come, take upon him man's nature, ... So that
> two whole, perfect, and distinct natures, the Godhead and the manhood,
> were inseparably joined together in one person, without conversion,
> composition, or confusion. Which person is very God and very man, yet
> one Christ, the only Mediator between God and man."
On Nov 5, 6:37 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Psssst! Hey Brock you seem to have lost the plot - you keep
> > repeating yourself.
> It's a consistent position: I am a Christian,
BO Because you are a Christian, you are by default a Theist,
whether you want to call yourself one or not.
You claim that Jesus is Divine.
You claim that Jesus is the son of god.
You are a theist.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM, philosophy <smwil...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 5:41 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Was Jesus divine?
>> Jesus Christ is divine,
> RUBBISH
I like how the Confession puts it:
"The Son of God, the second Person in the Trinity, being very and
eternal God, of one substance, and equal with the Father, did, when
the fullness of time was come, take upon him man's nature, ... So that
two whole, perfect, and distinct natures, the Godhead and the manhood,
were inseparably joined together in one person, without conversion,
composition, or confusion. Which person is very God and very man, yet
one Christ, the only Mediator between God and man."
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