Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell, including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and lots of lovely people.
What a happy-clapping place that will be.
-- "Atheism is the natural condition of the Universe into which we are
all born and where we innocently live unless cerebrally raped by
indoctrination into some 'faith' by intellectually-challenged
persuaders who prey mostly on children. People’s gods exist only
as fictions inside their heads."
[Dr. Terence Meaden]
One of the things that bothers me both about heaven and about hell is the
change in constitution which both destinations would involve.
That is, some Christians claim that in death they will attain new bodies.
These so-called resurrection bodies "will be not be limited by the
space-time restrictions our present bodies are, such as the 24-hour-day,
waking and sleeping, or the 70-year lifespan." (
http://focusongod.com/Revelation-08.htm).
At the same time, however, those who do not accept Christianity are
condemned to an eternity of hellfire. This is in effect the acquisition of
a new body that is similarly un-hindered but presumably still able to sense
pain.
In any case, the question immediately arises. What will become of one's
previous identity after death in the Christian worldview? Apparently the
Christian will not be susceptible to temptation (ibid), suggesting that
certain portions of the brain will not function as they do now. One wonders
to what other extents the Christian brain will be affected.
As to us godless types, our bodies will apparently be indestructible but
still capable of feeling pain. The fire which presumably will burn for all
eternity will not destroy the nerve cells on the skin as we will still be
able to feel our pain, and our brains will not adapt to the stimuli, despite
the fact that we are being assailed by a torment which is of no consequence
due to the already stated indestructibility of our bodies.
Neuroplasticity will also be lacking in the non-christian post-mortem body
as adaptation to circumstance must be right out if this is to be an eternity
of suffering.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 8:41 am, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
> > Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
> > Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
> > Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
> > including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
> > So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
> > lots of lovely people.
> > What a happy-clapping place that will be.
> I think they are supposed to have to spend time in purgatory first and
> repent.
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> Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
> Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
> Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
> Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
> including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
> So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
> lots of lovely people.
> What a happy-clapping place that will be.
> --
> "Atheism is the natural condition of the Universe into which we are
> all born and where we innocently live unless cerebrally raped by
> indoctrination into some 'faith' by intellectually-challenged
> persuaders who prey mostly on children. People’s gods exist only
> as fictions inside their heads."
> [Dr. Terence Meaden]
> On 30 oct, 22:41, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
>> Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
>> Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
>> Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
>> including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
>> So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
>> lots of lovely people.
>> What a happy-clapping place that will be.
>> --
>> "Atheism is the natural condition of the Universe into which we are
>> all born and where we innocently live unless cerebrally raped by
>> indoctrination into some 'faith' by intellectually-challenged
>> persuaders who prey mostly on children. People’s gods exist only
>> as fictions inside their heads."
>> [Dr. Terence Meaden]
>> Virtual Gods:http://users3.jabry.com/sjewins/library/__philorelig.htm > --
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-- "Atheism is the natural condition of the Universe into which we are
all born and where we innocently live unless cerebrally raped by
indoctrination into some 'faith' by intellectually-challenged
persuaders who prey mostly on children. People’s gods exist only
as fictions inside their heads."
[Dr. Terence Meaden]
To understand the concepts of heaven and hell, we must first define what and
how the *soul* or *spirit* of man figures into this equation.
The Christian is told that they now, in the here and now, have the
*down-payment* *earnest* of their inheritance which is the Holy Spirit
living in them.
When viewing Christianity from the standpoint of knowing the God and Father
of our Lord Jesus Christ on a personal basis, with all the promises in the
Bible at their disposal, we see that the concept of Heaven becomes -- living
with Jesus and worshipping and praising His Name forever for what HE did for
us on Calvary. According to Ephesians, we are part of the Body of Christ
(this is distinguished from being the Bride of Christ - which is the Jews),
accepted from Before the Foundation of the Earth (Israel was accepted After
and From the foundation), to be Holy and acceptable through Jesus Christ's
blood - with forgiveness for sins (not believing that Jesus exists), and it
is all through the Grace of God.
However, the concept of hell -- ooops! I don't know if I should tell you
what this is -- it is so much more fun to see people wobbling around worried
about *burning in the garbage dump*.
Actually - to tell the truth -- hell is a place away from *light* and the
presence of the Holy Spirit and God the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. To
live in a place forever, where all you have is the memories of the here and
now -- and there is nothing or anyone to talk to -- but your memories are
constantly running over and over in your being. This is hell - like being
buried 6 feet under the ground. No light -- no nothing -- nobody to talk
to?! It is being separated from God's love forever. It is being separated
from the Grace of God forever. It is knowing that because you didn't accept
the free gift that is being handed to you, that you separated yourself from
living in Light, Love, Peace, Joy, Happiness -- all these things you thought
were important in the here and now, become ashes in your mouth - but you
cannot get rid of the ashes, because you remember turning your back on the
one person who could have saved you from your damnation - the Lord Jesus
Christ!
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Phillip Montgomery
<phillipm...@gmail.com>wrote:
> One of the things that bothers me both about heaven and about hell is the
> change in constitution which both destinations would involve.
> That is, some Christians claim that in death they will attain new bodies.
> These so-called resurrection bodies "will be not be limited by the
> space-time restrictions our present bodies are, such as the 24-hour-day,
> waking and sleeping, or the 70-year lifespan." (
> http://focusongod.com/Revelation-08.htm).
> At the same time, however, those who do not accept Christianity are
> condemned to an eternity of hellfire. This is in effect the acquisition of
> a new body that is similarly un-hindered but presumably still able to sense
> pain.
> In any case, the question immediately arises. What will become of one's
> previous identity after death in the Christian worldview? Apparently the
> Christian will not be susceptible to temptation (ibid), suggesting that
> certain portions of the brain will not function as they do now. One wonders
> to what other extents the Christian brain will be affected.
> As to us godless types, our bodies will apparently be indestructible but
> still capable of feeling pain. The fire which presumably will burn for all
> eternity will not destroy the nerve cells on the skin as we will still be
> able to feel our pain, and our brains will not adapt to the stimuli, despite
> the fact that we are being assailed by a torment which is of no consequence
> due to the already stated indestructibility of our bodies.
> Neuroplasticity will also be lacking in the non-christian post-mortem body
> as adaptation to circumstance must be right out if this is to be an eternity
> of suffering.
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 31, 8:41 am, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
>> > Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
>> > Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
>> > Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
>> > including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
>> > So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
>> > lots of lovely people.
>> > What a happy-clapping place that will be.
>> I think they are supposed to have to spend time in purgatory first and
>> repent.
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> To understand the concepts of heaven and hell, we must first define what
> and how the *soul* or *spirit* of man figures into this equation.
Indeed, what is a good pronoun. Unfortunately I do not see an explanation
of what a soul is. Could you please elaborate?
the concept of Heaven becomes -- living with Jesus and worshipping and
> praising His Name forever for what HE did for us on Calvary.
Then it seems I was wrong. Neuroplasticity does not cease only in hell but
also in Heaven. The Christian is apparently unable to get past the
salvation and to move on with his life after he has died and risen again.
If I am not mistaken praising someone for all eternity for an act in time
rather than moving on with one's life and perhaps repaying that person or
even embarking on further adventure or development with that person is a
form of obsession and is rather unhealthy. Of course I am no psychologist
so I will say nothing further on this subject. It just seems a
little....weird.
> To live in a place forever, where all you have is the memories of the here
> and now -- and there is nothing or anyone to talk to -- but your memories
> are constantly running over and over in your being.
I don't recall the scriptural passage where this description is found.
Could you please enlighten us?
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:33 AM, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To understand the concepts of heaven and hell, we must first define what
> and how the *soul* or *spirit* of man figures into this equation.
> The Christian is told that they now, in the here and now, have the
> *down-payment* *earnest* of their inheritance which is the Holy Spirit
> living in them.
> When viewing Christianity from the standpoint of knowing the God and Father
> of our Lord Jesus Christ on a personal basis, with all the promises in the
> Bible at their disposal, we see that the concept of Heaven becomes -- living
> with Jesus and worshipping and praising His Name forever for what HE did for
> us on Calvary. According to Ephesians, we are part of the Body of Christ
> (this is distinguished from being the Bride of Christ - which is the Jews),
> accepted from Before the Foundation of the Earth (Israel was accepted After
> and From the foundation), to be Holy and acceptable through Jesus Christ's
> blood - with forgiveness for sins (not believing that Jesus exists), and it
> is all through the Grace of God.
> However, the concept of hell -- ooops! I don't know if I should tell you
> what this is -- it is so much more fun to see people wobbling around worried
> about *burning in the garbage dump*.
> Actually - to tell the truth -- hell is a place away from *light* and the
> presence of the Holy Spirit and God the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. To
> live in a place forever, where all you have is the memories of the here and
> now -- and there is nothing or anyone to talk to -- but your memories are
> constantly running over and over in your being. This is hell - like being
> buried 6 feet under the ground. No light -- no nothing -- nobody to talk
> to?! It is being separated from God's love forever. It is being separated
> from the Grace of God forever. It is knowing that because you didn't accept
> the free gift that is being handed to you, that you separated yourself from
> living in Light, Love, Peace, Joy, Happiness -- all these things you thought
> were important in the here and now, become ashes in your mouth - but you
> cannot get rid of the ashes, because you remember turning your back on the
> one person who could have saved you from your damnation - the Lord Jesus
> Christ!
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Phillip Montgomery <
> phillipm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> One of the things that bothers me both about heaven and about hell is the
>> change in constitution which both destinations would involve.
>> That is, some Christians claim that in death they will attain new bodies.
>> These so-called resurrection bodies "will be not be limited by the
>> space-time restrictions our present bodies are, such as the 24-hour-day,
>> waking and sleeping, or the 70-year lifespan." (
>> http://focusongod.com/Revelation-08.htm).
>> At the same time, however, those who do not accept Christianity are
>> condemned to an eternity of hellfire. This is in effect the acquisition of
>> a new body that is similarly un-hindered but presumably still able to sense
>> pain.
>> In any case, the question immediately arises. What will become of one's
>> previous identity after death in the Christian worldview? Apparently the
>> Christian will not be susceptible to temptation (ibid), suggesting that
>> certain portions of the brain will not function as they do now. One wonders
>> to what other extents the Christian brain will be affected.
>> As to us godless types, our bodies will apparently be indestructible but
>> still capable of feeling pain. The fire which presumably will burn for all
>> eternity will not destroy the nerve cells on the skin as we will still be
>> able to feel our pain, and our brains will not adapt to the stimuli, despite
>> the fact that we are being assailed by a torment which is of no consequence
>> due to the already stated indestructibility of our bodies.
>> Neuroplasticity will also be lacking in the non-christian post-mortem body
>> as adaptation to circumstance must be right out if this is to be an eternity
>> of suffering.
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>> On Oct 31, 8:41 am, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
>>> > Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
>>> > Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
>>> > Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
>>> > including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
>>> > So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
>>> > lots of lovely people.
>>> > What a happy-clapping place that will be.
>>> I think they are supposed to have to spend time in purgatory first and
>>> repent.
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> Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
> Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
> Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
> Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
> including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
> So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
> lots of lovely people.
> What a happy-clapping place that will be.
> --
> "Atheism is the natural condition of the Universe into which we are
> all born and where we innocently live unless cerebrally raped by
> indoctrination into some 'faith' by intellectually-challenged
> persuaders who prey mostly on children. People’s gods exist only
> as fictions inside their heads."
> [Dr. Terence Meaden]
> On Oct 30, 4:41 pm, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
>> Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
>> Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
>> Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
>> including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
>> So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
>> lots of lovely people.
>> What a happy-clapping place that will be.
>> --
>> "Atheism is the natural condition of the Universe into which we are
>> all born and where we innocently live unless cerebrally raped by
>> indoctrination into some 'faith' by intellectually-challenged
>> persuaders who prey mostly on children. People’s gods exist only
>> as fictions inside their heads."
>> [Dr. Terence Meaden]
>> Virtual Gods:http://users3.jabry.com/sjewins/library/__philorelig.htm > --
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-- "However many holy words you read, however many you speak,
what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them?"
[Buddha]
The Bible says that all will have heard the gospel....for God's people they
will not have no fire---or torment----You know all Christians--is hard to
say yes if You don't except Jesus Christ--but nobody---nobody---will make
that final Judgement---after you leave----here---and there will be some that
will see the kindom before they die.....Some will inherit heaven and some
will inherit the earth----In heaven there is no male& Female is what the
word says---we only see through a glass darkly---in other words we don't
know everything or see everything---
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Phillip Montgomery
<phillipm...@gmail.com>wrote:
> One of the things that bothers me both about heaven and about hell is the
> change in constitution which both destinations would involve.
> That is, some Christians claim that in death they will attain new bodies.
> These so-called resurrection bodies "will be not be limited by the
> space-time restrictions our present bodies are, such as the 24-hour-day,
> waking and sleeping, or the 70-year lifespan." (
> http://focusongod.com/Revelation-08.htm).
> At the same time, however, those who do not accept Christianity are
> condemned to an eternity of hellfire. This is in effect the acquisition of
> a new body that is similarly un-hindered but presumably still able to sense
> pain.
> In any case, the question immediately arises. What will become of one's
> previous identity after death in the Christian worldview? Apparently the
> Christian will not be susceptible to temptation (ibid), suggesting that
> certain portions of the brain will not function as they do now. One wonders
> to what other extents the Christian brain will be affected.
> As to us godless types, our bodies will apparently be indestructible but
> still capable of feeling pain. The fire which presumably will burn for all
> eternity will not destroy the nerve cells on the skin as we will still be
> able to feel our pain, and our brains will not adapt to the stimuli, despite
> the fact that we are being assailed by a torment which is of no consequence
> due to the already stated indestructibility of our bodies.
> Neuroplasticity will also be lacking in the non-christian post-mortem body
> as adaptation to circumstance must be right out if this is to be an eternity
> of suffering.
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 31, 8:41 am, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
>> > Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
>> > Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
>> > Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
>> > including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
>> > So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
>> > lots of lovely people.
>> > What a happy-clapping place that will be.
>> I think they are supposed to have to spend time in purgatory first and
>> repent.
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On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Doris Ragland <dr4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Bible says that all will have heard the gospel....for God's people they
> will not have no fire---or torment----You know all Christians--is hard to
> say yes if You don't except Jesus Christ--but nobody---nobody---will make
> that final Judgement---after you leave----here---and there will be some that
> will see the kindom before they die.....Some will inherit heaven and some
> will inherit the earth----In heaven there is no male& Female is what the
> word says---we only see through a glass darkly---in other words we don't
> know everything or see everything--- I know this their will be no tears, no
> more pain, and there will be a perfect peace----In New Jersumlem there will
> be Streets of Gold and Jersumlem will be cystal clear- and there will be no
> need of the Sun for light -or the moon--But God will be the light--
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Phillip Montgomery <phillipm...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>> One of the things that bothers me both about heaven and about hell is the
>> change in constitution which both destinations would involve.
>> That is, some Christians claim that in death they will attain new bodies.
>> These so-called resurrection bodies "will be not be limited by the
>> space-time restrictions our present bodies are, such as the 24-hour-day,
>> waking and sleeping, or the 70-year lifespan." (
>> http://focusongod.com/Revelation-08.htm).
>> At the same time, however, those who do not accept Christianity are
>> condemned to an eternity of hellfire. This is in effect the acquisition of
>> a new body that is similarly un-hindered but presumably still able to sense
>> pain.
>> In any case, the question immediately arises. What will become of one's
>> previous identity after death in the Christian worldview? Apparently the
>> Christian will not be susceptible to temptation (ibid), suggesting that
>> certain portions of the brain will not function as they do now. One wonders
>> to what other extents the Christian brain will be affected.
>> As to us godless types, our bodies will apparently be indestructible but
>> still capable of feeling pain. The fire which presumably will burn for all
>> eternity will not destroy the nerve cells on the skin as we will still be
>> able to feel our pain, and our brains will not adapt to the stimuli, despite
>> the fact that we are being assailed by a torment which is of no consequence
>> due to the already stated indestructibility of our bodies.
>> Neuroplasticity will also be lacking in the non-christian post-mortem body
>> as adaptation to circumstance must be right out if this is to be an eternity
>> of suffering.
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>> On Oct 31, 8:41 am, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
>>> > Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
>>> > Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
>>> > Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
>>> > including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
>>> > So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
>>> > lots of lovely people.
>>> > What a happy-clapping place that will be.
>>> I think they are supposed to have to spend time in purgatory first and
>>> repent.
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On Nov 1, 5:33 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To understand the concepts of heaven and hell, we must first define what and
> how the *soul* or *spirit* of man figures into this equation.
Observer
Well then you stupid old lune why did you not do so?
> The Christian is told that they now, in the here and now, have the
> *down-payment* *earnest* of their inheritance which is the Holy Spirit
> living in them.
Observer
You now introduce an other unintelligible concept and give no
definition for it as to "how figures into this equation"
Ha ha ha Ha ha
Thea we are already apprised of your almost infinite ignorance so why
do you choose to remind us there of ad infinitum?
> When viewing Christianity from the standpoint of knowing the God and Father
Observer
A stupid concept , is the reality or life as verifiable by scientific
data so terrifying to you that you deny what is actual in favor of
imaginary bull shit that never happened and for witch there is no
scientifically verifiable substantiating data.
How can you be so demented as to accept such superstitious filth ?
> of our Lord Jesus Christ on a personal basis
This god fraud is not our lord ,and Jesus was not a Christ. You are
simply projecting your fear of death in such a way as to attempt to
dissuade your self of the fact that when your life ends,as it soon
will , there will exist nothing representing such as you. , no
thought, no sensation, not even a dream. You are about to devolve into
the nothingness from which you evolved.
, with all the promises in the
> Bible at their disposal, we see that the concept of Heaven becomes -- living
> with Jesus
Observer
Promises are easy to make , I could promise you intelligence but all
of us who have read your posts know that such is, for you, an
impossibility.
You are just an uneducated , and rather stupid old woman who has not
the intellectual capacity to profitably engage with the only reliable
source of usable information available to human kind. That would be,
the yield of scientific method. You are too ignorant to understand
that such is necessary to any useful discovery from which can be
made accurate prognostications.
and worshipping and praising His Name forever for what HE did for
> us on Calvary.
Observer
What drivel Jesus was the invented god fraud of the quite mad Paul
who ( plagiarized ) from the superstitions of previous lunatics all of
the nonsense which he hung around the neck Jesus along with the Voodoo
Hoodoo , fetishistic , and stupidity of belief in the dark arts of
superstitious demon-ism and magic necessary to being a Christian
misanthrope.
No one has ever returned from the dead .
According to Ephesians, we are part of the Body of Christ
> (this is distinguished from being the Bride of Christ - which is the Jews),
Then the moron(s) that wrote "Ephesians" simply lied or was just a
gullible and dimwitted misanthrope (or group thereof)and of no value
to humankind.
> accepted from Before the Foundation of the Earth (Israel was accepted After
> and From the foundation), to be Holy and acceptable through Jesus Christ's
> blood - with forgiveness for sins (not believing that Jesus exists), and it
> is all through the Grace of God.
Once again, as I have so many times in the past, I request that you
provide scientifically verifiable substantiating data for the
existence of or any act of any god.
You see any thing that is real co emerges with substantiating
scientific evidence which disambiguates it. (To establish a single
grammatical or semantic interpretation therefor.)
Kindly note that every individual who utters the word god or (G)od has
no clear disambiguation for the term . Two billion Christians will all
describe the object of their worship with other than homogeneity
each having a separate concept there of because there is no
scientifically verifiable data establishing the existence or
disambiguation thereof.
> However, the concept of hell -- ooops! I don't know if I should tell you
> what this is -- it is so much more fun to see people wobbling around worried
> about *burning in the garbage dump*.
Look stupid, I care not what the current definition of hell is .
I have watched it bantered about for the past seven decades. The point
is that no loving god would need to or want to inflict any discomfort
on any creature.
The fact that you are too stupid or too steeped in the psychotic filth
being taught by the current stages of christian criminality to grasp
such a simple idea alters not the fact that an all good good does and
delivers only what is all good for everyone. In as much as the world
is peopled by humans and animals that are destine to suffer from
terrible disease, predation, and injury is sound evidence that no such
god exists.
> Actually - to tell the truth -- hell is a place away from *light* and the
> presence of the Holy Spirit and God the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Observer
No , stupid old woman , hell is an imaginary and therefor useless
concept which had its place only in striking fear into the heart of
the super-ignorant of the world.
To
> live in a place forever, where all you have is the memories of the here and
> now -- and there is nothing or anyone to talk to -- but your memories are
> constantly running over and over in your being. This is hell - like being
> buried 6 feet under the ground. No light -- no nothing -- nobody to talk
> to?! It is being separated from God's love forever. It is being separated
> from the Grace of God forever. It is knowing that because you didn't accept
> the free gift that is being handed to you, that you separated yourself from
> living in Light, Love, Peace, Joy, Happiness -- all these things you thought
> were important in the here and now, become ashes in your mouth - but you
> cannot get rid of the ashes, because you remember turning your back on the
> one person who could have saved you from your damnation - the Lord Jesus
> Christ!
Observer
The produce of hideous stupidity, when you cease to exist you will not
experience even the void. In nonexistence there is no experiencer, no
lack , no love , no hate no pain , no being , how could you be so
stupid as to believe otherwise.
The god sickness from which you suffer is simply the derivative of
having accepted superstitious nonsense and a failure to seek out or
to find what is scientifically accurate.
The ignorant of the world do not understand nor have they learned to
read science the hideously and viciously depraved mind that refuses to
do so is the essence of misanthropy .
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Phillip Montgomery
> <phillipm...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > One of the things that bothers me both about heaven and about hell is the
> > change in constitution which both destinations would involve.
> > That is, some Christians claim that in death they will attain new bodies.
> > These so-called resurrection bodies "will be not be limited by the
> > space-time restrictions our present bodies are, such as the 24-hour-day,
> > waking and sleeping, or the 70-year lifespan." (
> >http://focusongod.com/Revelation-08.htm).
> > At the same time, however, those who do not accept Christianity are
> > condemned to an eternity of hellfire. This is in effect the acquisition of
> > a new body that is similarly un-hindered but presumably still able to sense
> > pain.
> > In any case, the question immediately arises. What will become of one's
> > previous identity after death in the Christian worldview? Apparently the
> > Christian will not be susceptible to temptation (ibid), suggesting that
> > certain portions of the brain will not function as they do now. One wonders
> > to what other extents the Christian brain will be affected.
> > As to us godless types, our bodies will apparently be indestructible but
> > still capable of feeling pain. The fire which presumably will burn for all
> > eternity will not destroy the nerve cells on the skin as we will still be
> > able to feel our pain, and our brains will not adapt to the stimuli, despite
> > the fact that we are being assailed by a torment which is of no consequence
> > due to the already stated indestructibility of our bodies.
> > Neuroplasticity will also be lacking in the non-christian post-mortem body
> > as adaptation to circumstance must be right out if this is to be an eternity
> > of suffering.
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 31, 8:41 am, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
> >> > Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
> >> > Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
> >> > Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
> >> > including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
> >> > So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
> >> > lots of lovely people.
> >> > What a happy-clapping place that will be.
> >> I think they are supposed to have to spend time in purgatory first and
> >> repent.
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> > On Oct 30, 4:41 pm, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
> >> Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
> >> Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
> >> Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
> >> including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
> >> So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
> >> lots of lovely people.
> >> What a happy-clapping place that will be.
> >> --
> >> "Atheism is the natural condition of the Universe into which we are
> >> all born and where we innocently live unless cerebrally raped by
> >> indoctrination into some 'faith' by intellectually-challenged
> >> persuaders who prey mostly on children. People’s gods exist only
> >> as fictions inside their heads."
> >> [Dr. Terence Meaden]
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> what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them?"
> [Buddha]
> On Nov 1, 7:43 pm, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [JFG]
>> > You put lies in the mouth of a priest and that's an argument?
>> I don't think so. It might be ridicule but certainly not an argument.
>> Next question?
[JFG]
> You had no real argument to post in this thread?
Um, I started the thread. Is the entire world an argument to you?
I believe some comments are statements, some are observations, some
are satire, some are ridicule and some may indeed be arguments. Do you
not grow weary of endlessly arguing?
-- "However many holy words you read, however many you speak,
what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them?"
[Buddha]
On Oct 30, 4:41 pm, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
> lots of lovely people.
I like how the Confession puts it:
"The bodies of men, after death, return to dust, and see corruption;
but their souls (which neither die nor sleep), having an immortal
subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them. The souls of the
righteous, being then made perfect in holiness, are received into the
highest heavens, where they behold the face of God in light and glory,
waiting for the full redemption of their bodies; and the souls of the
wicked are cast into hell, where they remain in torments and utter
darkness, reserved to the judgment of the great day. Besides these two
places for souls separated from their bodies, the Scripture
acknowledgeth none."
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Phillip Montgomery <phillipm...@gmail.com>wrote:
> To understand the concepts of heaven and hell, we must first define what
>> and how the *soul* or *spirit* of man figures into this equation.
> Indeed, what is a good pronoun. Unfortunately I do not see an explanation
> of what a soul is. Could you please elaborate?
Believe it or not but, Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary gives a good
idea of what *soul* is -- and gives many explanations -- look it up.
> the concept of Heaven becomes -- living with Jesus and worshipping and
>> praising His Name forever for what HE did for us on Calvary.
> Then it seems I was wrong. Neuroplasticity does not cease only in hell
> but also in Heaven. The Christian is apparently unable to get past the
> salvation and to move on with his life after he has died and risen again.
> If I am not mistaken praising someone for all eternity for an act in time
> rather than moving on with one's life and perhaps repaying that person or
> even embarking on further adventure or development with that person is a
> form of obsession and is rather unhealthy. Of course I am no psychologist
> so I will say nothing further on this subject. It just seems a
> little....weird.
It seemed weird to me at first glance when I first came across this
reasoning.
However, upon a second look, I realized that this is true. We will be
thanking Jesus for all eternity for dying in our place, and in doing so,
thanking God the Father, because living in eternity and taking Satan's
place, is what the Bible is all about.
There are many secrets hidden in the Bible, that you don't see, until the
Holy Spirit points them out to you.
>> To live in a place forever, where all you have is the memories of the here
>> and now -- and there is nothing or anyone to talk to -- but your memories
>> are constantly running over and over in your being.
> I don't recall the scriptural passage where this description is found.
> Could you please enlighten us?
Revelation 20:10: *And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake
of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall
be tormented day and night forever and ever.*
We are told that hell was made for Satan and His Angels, and not made for
human beings.
If Satan is to be tormented day and night forever - and we decide to not
believe that God the Father of Abraham, Isaac and Israel (Jacob) exists,
then we will also be tormented -- your memories of the here and now are all
that could be remembered to be tormented over. And the chances you had to
accept who Jesus says He Is -- but if you do not accept -- you will have
this torment over the fact that you missed your chance forever.
After all -- this isn't all just a physical death - it is spiritual death.
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:33 AM, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To understand the concepts of heaven and hell, we must first define what
>> and how the *soul* or *spirit* of man figures into this equation.
>> The Christian is told that they now, in the here and now, have the
>> *down-payment* *earnest* of their inheritance which is the Holy Spirit
>> living in them.
>> When viewing Christianity from the standpoint of knowing the God and
>> Father of our Lord Jesus Christ on a personal basis, with all the promises
>> in the Bible at their disposal, we see that the concept of Heaven becomes --
>> living with Jesus and worshipping and praising His Name forever for what HE
>> did for us on Calvary. According to Ephesians, we are part of the Body of
>> Christ (this is distinguished from being the Bride of Christ - which is the
>> Jews), accepted from Before the Foundation of the Earth (Israel was accepted
>> After and From the foundation), to be Holy and acceptable through Jesus
>> Christ's blood - with forgiveness for sins (not believing that Jesus
>> exists), and it is all through the Grace of God.
>> However, the concept of hell -- ooops! I don't know if I should tell you
>> what this is -- it is so much more fun to see people wobbling around worried
>> about *burning in the garbage dump*.
>> Actually - to tell the truth -- hell is a place away from *light* and the
>> presence of the Holy Spirit and God the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. To
>> live in a place forever, where all you have is the memories of the here and
>> now -- and there is nothing or anyone to talk to -- but your memories are
>> constantly running over and over in your being. This is hell - like being
>> buried 6 feet under the ground. No light -- no nothing -- nobody to talk
>> to?! It is being separated from God's love forever. It is being separated
>> from the Grace of God forever. It is knowing that because you didn't accept
>> the free gift that is being handed to you, that you separated yourself from
>> living in Light, Love, Peace, Joy, Happiness -- all these things you thought
>> were important in the here and now, become ashes in your mouth - but you
>> cannot get rid of the ashes, because you remember turning your back on the
>> one person who could have saved you from your damnation - the Lord Jesus
>> Christ!
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Phillip Montgomery <
>> phillipm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> One of the things that bothers me both about heaven and about hell is the
>>> change in constitution which both destinations would involve.
>>> That is, some Christians claim that in death they will attain new
>>> bodies. These so-called resurrection bodies "will be not be limited by
>>> the space-time restrictions our present bodies are, such as the 24-hour-day,
>>> waking and sleeping, or the 70-year lifespan." (
>>> http://focusongod.com/Revelation-08.htm).
>>> At the same time, however, those who do not accept Christianity are
>>> condemned to an eternity of hellfire. This is in effect the acquisition of
>>> a new body that is similarly un-hindered but presumably still able to sense
>>> pain.
>>> In any case, the question immediately arises. What will become of one's
>>> previous identity after death in the Christian worldview? Apparently the
>>> Christian will not be susceptible to temptation (ibid), suggesting that
>>> certain portions of the brain will not function as they do now. One wonders
>>> to what other extents the Christian brain will be affected.
>>> As to us godless types, our bodies will apparently be indestructible but
>>> still capable of feeling pain. The fire which presumably will burn for all
>>> eternity will not destroy the nerve cells on the skin as we will still be
>>> able to feel our pain, and our brains will not adapt to the stimuli, despite
>>> the fact that we are being assailed by a torment which is of no consequence
>>> due to the already stated indestructibility of our bodies.
>>> Neuroplasticity will also be lacking in the non-christian post-mortem
>>> body as adaptation to circumstance must be right out if this is to be an
>>> eternity of suffering.
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>> On Oct 31, 8:41 am, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
>>>> > Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
>>>> > Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
>>>> > Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
>>>> > including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
>>>> > So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
>>>> > lots of lovely people.
>>>> > What a happy-clapping place that will be.
>>>> I think they are supposed to have to spend time in purgatory first and
>>>> repent.
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On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 1, 5:33 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > To understand the concepts of heaven and hell, we must first define what
> and
> > how the *soul* or *spirit* of man figures into this equation.
> Observer
> Well then you stupid old lune why did you not do so?
Thea
Because I thought everyone had a Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary at
their disposal -- and the defination given is more than I cared to type
out. (This old lady is getting lazy)
> > The Christian is told that they now, in the here and now, have the
> > *down-payment* *earnest* of their inheritance which is the Holy Spirit
> > living in them.
> Observer
> You now introduce an other unintelligible concept and give no
> definition for it as to "how figures into this equation"
> Ha ha ha Ha ha
> Thea we are already apprised of your almost infinite ignorance so why
> do you choose to remind us there of ad infinitum?
> Thea
The *soul* of man lives in eternity. God said HE made man like Himself.
That we were capable of making other men like ourselves. Well, since God
lives in eternity -- we are also living in eternity. What happens in the
here and now will make the rest of our existance either in *well being - in
heaven* or *in gnashing of teeth - in hell*. We were created to be eternal
beings.
> > When viewing Christianity from the standpoint of knowing the God and
> Father
> Observer
> A stupid concept , is the reality or life as verifiable by scientific
> data so terrifying to you that you deny what is actual in favor of
> imaginary bull shit that never happened and for witch there is no
> scientifically verifiable substantiating data.
> How can you be so demented as to accept such superstitious filth ?
Thea
Our soul is an *eternal* being -- we are at the present time, living in
eternity!!
This is only the stair steps to heaven -- we either go up - or we go down --
but we have a decision to make in the here and now -- so we get to decide
what our fate will be.
> > of our Lord Jesus Christ on a personal basis
> This god fraud is not our lord ,and Jesus was not a Christ. You are
> simply projecting your fear of death in such a way as to attempt to
> dissuade your self of the fact that when your life ends,as it soon
> will , there will exist nothing representing such as you. , no
> thought, no sensation, not even a dream. You are about to devolve into
> the nothingness from which you evolved.
Thea
The *know-so* salvation which we have found, lets us know that there is far
more to religion than just going to church on Sunday morning and sitting in
a pew, where we can *sit, soak and rust*.
The *Know-so* salvation lets us know for sure that there is a Holy Spirit
who gives us guidance, and makes His Self known when we are praising the
Name of Jesus.
> , with all the promises in the
> > Bible at their disposal, we see that the concept of Heaven becomes --
> living
> > with Jesus
> Observer
> Promises are easy to make , I could promise you intelligence but all
> of us who have read your posts know that such is, for you, an
> impossibility.
> You are just an uneducated , and rather stupid old woman who has not
> the intellectual capacity to profitably engage with the only reliable
> source of usable information available to human kind. That would be,
> the yield of scientific method. You are too ignorant to understand
> that such is necessary to any useful discovery from which can be
> made accurate prognostications.
Thea
When I was a child, one of my first memories was of the men that arrived at
the Parsonage door asking for money for food. This was in the 1940's. Dad
would help them out.
One fellow wanted a shave - so dad took him into the bathroom to let him use
his razor. When he took the one-edged blade out of his razor to replace it
- the *bum* told dad to give it to him. Whereupon he sharped the blade on
the palm of his hand. Dad said that he saved more money with that *trick of
the trade* than he could ever have understood. Everyone has something to
offer us -- even the most stupid!
I made a decision years ago - to find out the Truth. I don't care if
everyone thinks I am in left field all by my lonesome or not -- I just want
the TRUTH.
When I started studying my Bible, and reading it while *on my knees* asking
God to show me the Truth, I discovered that what it really said, and what I
had always thought it said were two different things.
The Bible does not say that I have to attend a denomination church. It says
that I should get together with others who believe in Jesus.
The Bible does not condemn me for not supporting some denominational church
- it says that I should give to those around me who are in need -- but from
a knowledge stand point, and with my substance.
The Bible says that when I give - God will give it back, good measure,
pressed down, and my cup running over -- and that's just what God had done
for me.
I will take this *so-great* salvation and praise and Thank, Jesus, forever!
> and worshipping and praising His Name forever for what HE did for
> > us on Calvary.
> Observer
> What drivel Jesus was the invented god fraud of the quite mad Paul
> who ( plagiarized ) from the superstitions of previous lunatics all of
> the nonsense which he hung around the neck Jesus along with the Voodoo
> Hoodoo , fetishistic , and stupidity of belief in the dark arts of
> superstitious demon-ism and magic necessary to being a Christian
> misanthrope.
> No one has ever returned from the dead .
Thea
The Bible says there is a great gulf between earth and hell and heaven and
earth.
David said that the child he and Bathsheba had could not come to him, but he
could go to the child.
Death is birth into the rest of eternity. When you have prepared by
accepting Jesus as dying in your place, we have no fear of death. We are
looking forward to living with Jesus forever.
However, Birth was being created into this eternity in which we live.
Living in the here and now is the *foot stool* of God, and we will graduate
from earth to heaven when we are taken from this earth and go to our eternal
rewards.
> According to Ephesians, we are part of the Body of Christ
> > (this is distinguished from being the Bride of Christ - which is the
> Jews),
> Then the moron(s) that wrote "Ephesians" simply lied or was just a
> gullible and dimwitted misanthrope (or group thereof)and of no value
> to humankind.
Thea
To be accepted as part of the Body of Christ now, assures us of the portion
of eternity we wish to live in.
> > accepted from Before the Foundation of the Earth (Israel was accepted
> After
> > and From the foundation), to be Holy and acceptable through Jesus
> Christ's
> > blood - with forgiveness for sins (not believing that Jesus exists), and
> it
> > is all through the Grace of God.
> Once again, as I have so many times in the past, I request that you
> provide scientifically verifiable substantiating data for the
> existence of or any act of any god.
Thea
There have been many acts of God recorded -- they are called Miracles!
because mankind cannot explain why or how they happened.
> You see any thing that is real co emerges with substantiating
> scientific evidence which disambiguates it. (To establish a single
> grammatical or semantic interpretation therefor.)
> Kindly note that every individual who utters the word god or (G)od has
> no clear disambiguation for the term . Two billion Christians will all
> describe the object of their worship with other than homogeneity
> each having a separate concept there of because there is no
> scientifically verifiable data establishing the existence or
> disambiguation thereof.
Thea
All Christians will say that they *Believe in God the Father Almighty, maker
of Heaven and Earth, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, who was born of a Virgin,
suffered, was crucified, dead, buried - God raised Jesus from the dead, the
third day Jesus came up out of the grave, Jesus ascended into Heaven, from
whence HE shall come to judge the living human beings and the dead human
beings.
The difference for me is that I have come to understand that as a Christian
in the here and now - whether alive or already departed - that we will stand
at the Bema seat for our rewards, because they is *no condemnation for them
that are in Christ Jesus now.* We have been accepted in the Beloved, and
have the down-payment of our inheritance. When Jesus comes - HE (at the
Rapture of the Church) will give us rewards, as we have already been judged
for our sins - and they were FORGIVEN!.
> > However, the concept of hell -- ooops! I don't know if I should tell you
> > what this is -- it is so much more fun to see people wobbling around
> worried
> > about *burning in the garbage dump*.
> Look stupid, I care not what the current definition of hell is .
> I have watched it bantered about for the past seven decades. The point
> is that no loving god would need to or want to inflict any discomfort
> on any creature.
> The fact that you are too stupid or too steeped in the psychotic filth
> being taught by the current stages of christian criminality to grasp
> such a simple idea alters not the fact that an all good good does and
> delivers only what is all good for everyone. In as much as the world
> is peopled by humans and animals that are destine to suffer from
> terrible disease, predation, and injury is sound evidence that no such
> god exists.
Thea
I have to admit that most people I know have bought the lie that they have
to die of some disease. Of course, anymore we are being bombarded
...
On Nov 2, 7:54 am, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 1, 7:43 pm, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> [JFG]
> >> > You put lies in the mouth of a priest and that's an argument?
> >> I don't think so. It might be ridicule but certainly not an argument.
> >> Next question?
> [JFG]
> > You had no real argument to post in this thread?
> Um, I started the thread. Is the entire world an argument to you?
Usually people post here to make a point.
> I believe some comments are statements, some are observations, some
> are satire, some are ridicule and some may indeed be arguments. Do you
> not grow weary of endlessly arguing?
On Nov 2, 4:13 pm, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
> > lots of lovely people.
> I like how the Confession puts it:
The simple believeth every word.
Pr. 14:15
_______________________________________________
I find that people seem to think religion brings morals and
appreciation of nature. I actually think it detracts from both.
-- Linus Torvalds
On Nov 3, 8:35 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 1, 5:33 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > To understand the concepts of heaven and hell, we must first define what
> > and
> > > how the *soul* or *spirit* of man figures into this equation.
> > Observer
> > Well then you stupid old lune why did you not do so?
> Thea
> Because I thought everyone had a Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary at
> their disposal -- and the defination given is more than I cared to type
> out. (This old lady is getting lazy)
Observer
Lazy and inadequate to the intellectual task of defending the utter
stupidity of the christian myths.
Just how does one look up in the Merriam-Webster's Collegiate
Dictionary " how the *soul* or *spirit* of man figures into this
equation."
Further there is no scientifically verifiable substantiating data for
the existence of soul as the spiritual and eternal part of a living
being, commonly held to be separable in existence from the body;
distinct from the physical part.( See Wikipedia)
Such is typically thought to consist of one's consciousness and
personality the thought and cognitive processes of the biological
being. And as such would be the function of the central nervous system
and not something which has existence of it's own.
> > > The Christian is told that they now, in the here and now, have the
> > > *down-payment* *earnest* of their inheritance which is the Holy Spirit
> > > living in them.
> > Observer
> > You now introduce an other unintelligible concept and give no
> > definition for it as to "how figures into this equation"
> > Ha ha ha Ha ha
> > Thea we are already apprised of your almost infinite ignorance so why
> > do you choose to remind us there of ad infinitum?
> > Thea
> The *soul* of man lives in eternity.
Observer
That is an unmitigated lie but is to be expected from Christians who
are inculcated by the filth of primitive ,
uneducated ,superstitious, undisciplined minds who were incapable of
any sense of truth.
God said HE made man like Himself.
What god ?
Please provide scientifically verifiable substantiating data proving
the existence of or any act of any god.
No he, no he said .You have only the utter stupidity of that filthy
collection of psychotic myths from whence these hideously stupid
stories emerged as the source of their own misinformation.
Only the super stupid of the world disposed to believe such filth and
it's fetishistic rituals of black magic .
The you are indeed among the very stupid to believe in magic at a time
when scientific method provides a system by which to learn the only
dependable and usable information achievable to human kind.
> That we were capable of making other men like ourselves. Well, since God
> lives in eternity --
What god . You have no defensible position in insisting that such as a
god exists ,when such is not supportable by scientifically verifiable
substantiating data and is so abhorrent to edified logic.
we are also living in eternity.
Observer
You are alive for a few short years by virtue of the luck of the draw
eternity is only an abstraction of time that you will never experience
because you will soon be dead as in having ceased to exist without
regard to the superstitious nonsense taught in the hideously corrupt
and insanely vile and fictive representations made in your filthy buy
bull.
What happens in the
> here and now will make the rest of our existance either in *well being - in
> heaven* or *in gnashing of teeth - in hell*.
Observer
More stupid and unsupportable lies having only the compendium of
idiotic superstitious filth as a reference point.
We were created to be eternal
> beings.
Observer
You have been created a liar and an abomination to the beauty which
humanity can and should be.
> > > When viewing Christianity from the standpoint of knowing the God and
> > Father
> > Observer
> > A stupid concept , is the reality or life as verifiable by scientific
> > data so terrifying to you that you deny what is actual in favor of
> > imaginary bull shit that never happened and for witch there is no
> > scientifically verifiable substantiating data.
> > How can you be so demented as to accept such superstitious filth ?
> Thea
> Our soul is an *eternal* being -- we are at the present time, living in
> eternity!!
Observer
Provide scientifically verifiable substantiating data proving such to
be true or admit that you are blindly and stupidly in faith with a lie
of demonic proportions.
How did you get so stupid how long after becoming a christian did the
atrophy of mind become complete?
> This is only the stair steps to heaven -- we either go up - or we go down --
Provide scientifically verifiable substantiating data Proving the
existence of the heaven or hell to which you refer.
You can not because they are simply the product of myths and do not
exist and never will.
Lies lies and more lies meant for the addle-pated minds of savage
brutes too sub human to use the tools of scientific method.
> but we have a decision to make in the here and now -- so we get to decide
> what our fate will be.
That is correct but only for the time you have left to live. What a
shame that you have chosen demonic worship and a belief in the black
art of magic over the crystal clear beauty of scientific method and
edified logic.
You have little time left wherein to correct you errors as nothing
will matter after you have devolved into the nothingness which is
death.
It would be a shame to have lived an entire life and never have known
the joy of learning .
> > > of our Lord Jesus Christ on a personal basis
> > This god fraud is not our lord ,and Jesus was not a Christ. You are
> > simply projecting your fear of death in such a way as to attempt to
> > dissuade your self of the fact that when your life ends,as it soon
> > will , there will exist nothing representing such as you. , no
> > thought, no sensation, not even a dream. You are about to devolve into
> > the nothingness from which you evolved.
> Thea
> The *know-so*
Observer
The know so ? You can't even establish the existence of a god by
providing simple scientifically verifiable substantiating data and you
call your hideous superstition filth"Know so"?
You are mired in the pure psychotic shit provided only by a criminal
machine who's only intent ever has been the enslavement of human
minds, world conquest, and dominance over all that is beautiful and
potential in humanity.
Have you after all no shame or is it that your brutish stupidity has
vanquished what was once potentially human in you.
salvation which we have found,
Lies lies and more lies Salvation from what ? There is nothing save
ignorance from which humanity is in need of salvation. Sin is bull
shit . Your god is bull shit, your entire superstitious filth is the
stuff of utter bull shit . and you can prove none of it to contain a
modicum of truth by presenting any scientifically verifiable
substantiating data in its favor.
You are truly of the super-stupid of the world.
lets us know that there is far
> more to religion than just going to church on Sunday morning and sitting in
> a pew, where we can *sit, soak and rust*.
Observer
Precisely as you have in your failure to educate your self and to put
your trust in the ultimate value of critical thought as applied to
scientific data from a broad field of disciplines and controlled by
scientific method.
> The *Know-so*
salvation lets us know for sure that there is a Holy Spirit
> who gives us guidance, and makes His Self known when we are praising the
> Name of Jesus.
The I wish salvation of which you speak and which you have ineptly
called I know salvation is laughable stupidity at its outer limits.
You are far too stupid to explain just what it is from which you need
salvation and to back it up with scientifically verifiable data.
> > , with all the promises in the
> > > Bible at their disposal, we see that the concept of Heaven becomes --
> > Observer
> > Promises are easy to make , I could promise you intelligence but all
> > of us who have read your posts know that such is, for you, an
> > impossibility.
> > You are just an uneducated , and rather stupid old woman who has not
> > the intellectual capacity to profitably engage with the only reliable
> > source of usable information available to human kind. That would be,
> > the yield of scientific method. You are too ignorant to understand
> > that such is necessary to any useful discovery from which can be
> > made accurate prognostications.
> Thea
> When I was a child, one of my first memories was of the men that arrived at
> the Parsonage door asking for money for food. This was in the 1940's. Dad
> would help them out.
> One fellow wanted a shave - so dad took him into the bathroom to let him use
> his razor. When he took the one-edged blade out of his razor to replace it
> - the *bum* told dad to give it to him. Whereupon he sharped the blade on
> the palm of his hand. Dad said that he saved more money with that *trick of
> the trade* than he could ever have understood. Everyone has something to
> offer us -- even the most stupid!
> I made a decision years ago - to find out the Truth. I don't care if
> everyone thinks I am in left field all by my lonesome or not -- I just want
> the TRUTH.
The closest to truth that you will ever come is through the
application of critical thought to current scientific data from a
broad variety of disciplines controlled completely
...
On Nov 1, 5:03 pm, Doris Ragland <dr4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Bible says
Why should any intelligent person capable of edified logic , care what
this useless piece of substandard literary shit has to say about
anything?
that all will have heard the gospel....for God's people they
> will not have no fire---or torment----You know all Christians--is hard to
> say yes if You don't except Jesus Christ--but nobody---nobody---will make
> that final Judgement---after you leave----here---and there will be some that
> will see the kindom before they die.....Some will inherit heaven and some
> will inherit the earth----In heaven there is no male& Female is what the
> word says---we only see through a glass darkly---in other words we don't
> know everything or see everything---
Observer
Why don't you try putting your trust in the information developed
through the process of the scientific method? Everything there in is
substantiated by scientifically verifiable data where as none of the
superstitious filth of Christianity is or ever will be.
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Phillip Montgomery
> <phillipm...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > One of the things that bothers me both about heaven and about hell is the
> > change in constitution which both destinations would involve.
> > That is, some Christians claim that in death they will attain new bodies.
> > These so-called resurrection bodies "will be not be limited by the
> > space-time restrictions our present bodies are, such as the 24-hour-day,
> > waking and sleeping, or the 70-year lifespan." (
> >http://focusongod.com/Revelation-08.htm).
> > At the same time, however, those who do not accept Christianity are
> > condemned to an eternity of hellfire. This is in effect the acquisition of
> > a new body that is similarly un-hindered but presumably still able to sense
> > pain.
> > In any case, the question immediately arises. What will become of one's
> > previous identity after death in the Christian worldview? Apparently the
> > Christian will not be susceptible to temptation (ibid), suggesting that
> > certain portions of the brain will not function as they do now. One wonders
> > to what other extents the Christian brain will be affected.
> > As to us godless types, our bodies will apparently be indestructible but
> > still capable of feeling pain. The fire which presumably will burn for all
> > eternity will not destroy the nerve cells on the skin as we will still be
> > able to feel our pain, and our brains will not adapt to the stimuli, despite
> > the fact that we are being assailed by a torment which is of no consequence
> > due to the already stated indestructibility of our bodies.
> > Neuroplasticity will also be lacking in the non-christian post-mortem body
> > as adaptation to circumstance must be right out if this is to be an eternity
> > of suffering.
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 31, 8:41 am, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
> >> > Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
> >> > Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
> >> > Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
> >> > including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
> >> > So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
> >> > lots of lovely people.
> >> > What a happy-clapping place that will be.
> >> I think they are supposed to have to spend time in purgatory first and
> >> repent.
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On Nov 2, 1:13 pm, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 4:41 pm, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
> > lots of lovely people.
Fuck how the Confession puts it:
The authors are believers in magic and demons and fetishism . Their
opinions are those of malevolent , blithering,superstitious
uneducated and criminally inclined morons.
So fuck them and the horse they road in on and you foe constantly
referring to such psychotic filth.
<Sniped the superstitious filth above refereed to>
Now get your head out of your ass ant learn to learn .
> To understand the concepts of heaven and hell, we must first define what and
> how the *soul* or *spirit* of man figures into this equation.
> The Christian is told that they now, in the here and now, have the
> *down-payment* *earnest* of their inheritance which is the Holy Spirit
> living in them.
> When viewing Christianity from the standpoint of knowing the God and Father
> of our Lord Jesus Christ on a personal basis, with all the promises in the
> Bible at their disposal, we see that the concept of Heaven becomes -- living
> with Jesus and worshipping and praising His Name forever for what HE did for
> us on Calvary. According to Ephesians, we are part of the Body of Christ
> (this is distinguished from being the Bride of Christ - which is the Jews),
> accepted from Before the Foundation of the Earth (Israel was accepted After
> and From the foundation), to be Holy and acceptable through Jesus Christ's
> blood - with forgiveness for sins (not believing that Jesus exists), and it
> is all through the Grace of God.
> However, the concept of hell -- ooops! I don't know if I should tell you
> what this is -- it is so much more fun to see people wobbling around worried
> about *burning in the garbage dump*.
> Actually - to tell the truth -- hell is a place away from *light* and the
> presence of the Holy Spirit and God the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. To
> live in a place forever, where all you have is the memories of the here and
> now -- and there is nothing or anyone to talk to -- but your memories are
> constantly running over and over in your being. This is hell - like being
> buried 6 feet under the ground. No light -- no nothing -- nobody to talk
> to?! It is being separated from God's love forever. It is being separated
> from the Grace of God forever. It is knowing that because you didn't accept
> the free gift that is being handed to you, that you separated yourself from
> living in Light, Love, Peace, Joy, Happiness -- all these things you thought
> were important in the here and now, become ashes in your mouth - but you
> cannot get rid of the ashes, because you remember turning your back on the
> one person who could have saved you from your damnation - the Lord Jesus
> Christ!
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Phillip Montgomery
> <phillipm...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > One of the things that bothers me both about heaven and about hell is the
> > change in constitution which both destinations would involve.
> > That is, some Christians claim that in death they will attain new bodies.
> > These so-called resurrection bodies "will be not be limited by the
> > space-time restrictions our present bodies are, such as the 24-hour-day,
> > waking and sleeping, or the 70-year lifespan." (
> >http://focusongod.com/Revelation-08.htm).
> > At the same time, however, those who do not accept Christianity are
> > condemned to an eternity of hellfire. This is in effect the acquisition of
> > a new body that is similarly un-hindered but presumably still able to sense
> > pain.
> > In any case, the question immediately arises. What will become of one's
> > previous identity after death in the Christian worldview? Apparently the
> > Christian will not be susceptible to temptation (ibid), suggesting that
> > certain portions of the brain will not function as they do now. One wonders
> > to what other extents the Christian brain will be affected.
> > As to us godless types, our bodies will apparently be indestructible but
> > still capable of feeling pain. The fire which presumably will burn for all
> > eternity will not destroy the nerve cells on the skin as we will still be
> > able to feel our pain, and our brains will not adapt to the stimuli, despite
> > the fact that we are being assailed by a torment which is of no consequence
> > due to the already stated indestructibility of our bodies.
> > Neuroplasticity will also be lacking in the non-christian post-mortem body
> > as adaptation to circumstance must be right out if this is to be an eternity
> > of suffering.
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 31, 8:41 am, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
> >> > Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
> >> > Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
> >> > Apparently those who have never heard of God get to avoid Hell,
> >> > including all those born and died before the crucifixion.
> >> > So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
> >> > lots of lovely people.
> >> > What a happy-clapping place that will be.
> >> I think they are supposed to have to spend time in purgatory first and
> >> repent.
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 1:13 pm, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 30, 4:41 pm, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > So, Heaven will have millions of murderers, rapists, child abusers and
>> > lots of lovely people.
> Fuck how the Confession puts it:
> The authors are believers in magic and demons and fetishism .
Or not. :)
> Their
> opinions are those of malevolent , blithering,superstitious
> uneducated and criminally inclined morons.
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 8:35 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 1, 5:33 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > To understand the concepts of heaven and hell, we must first define
> what
> > > and
> > > > how the *soul* or *spirit* of man figures into this equation.
> > > Observer
> > > Well then you stupid old lune why did you not do so?
> > Thea
> > Because I thought everyone had a Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary
> at
> > their disposal -- and the defination given is more than I cared to type
> > out. (This old lady is getting lazy)
> Observer
> Lazy and inadequate to the intellectual task of defending the utter
> stupidity of the christian myths.
> Just how does one look up in the Merriam-Webster's Collegiate
> Dictionary " how the *soul* or *spirit* of man figures into this
> equation."
> Further there is no scientifically verifiable substantiating data for
> the existence of soul as the spiritual and eternal part of a living
> being, commonly held to be separable in existence from the body;
> distinct from the physical part.( See Wikipedia)
> Such is typically thought to consist of one's consciousness and
> personality the thought and cognitive processes of the biological
> being. And as such would be the function of the central nervous system
> and not something which has existence of it's own.
If all we have is a brain - which knows nothing according to philosphy 101,
we are indeed in trouble. Because everything in all my years of living,
have taught me that there is something more to be had - than like what
Shakespeare said, *tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow creeps this petty pace from
day to day* (Macbeth)
> > > > The Christian is told that they now, in the here and now, have the
> > > > *down-payment* *earnest* of their inheritance which is the Holy
> Spirit
> > > > living in them.
> > > Observer
> > > You now introduce an other unintelligible concept and give no
> > > definition for it as to "how figures into this equation"
> > > Ha ha ha Ha ha
> > > Thea we are already apprised of your almost infinite ignorance so why
> > > do you choose to remind us there of ad infinitum?
> > > Thea
> > The *soul* of man lives in eternity.
> Observer
> That is an unmitigated lie but is to be expected from Christians who
> are inculcated by the filth of primitive ,
> uneducated ,superstitious, undisciplined minds who were incapable of
> any sense of truth.
> God said HE made man like Himself.
> What god ?
> Please provide scientifically verifiable substantiating data proving
> the existence of or any act of any god.
> No he, no he said .You have only the utter stupidity of that filthy
> collection of psychotic myths from whence these hideously stupid
> stories emerged as the source of their own misinformation.
> Only the super stupid of the world disposed to believe such filth and
> it's fetishistic rituals of black magic .
> The you are indeed among the very stupid to believe in magic at a time
> when scientific method provides a system by which to learn the only
> dependable and usable information achievable to human kind.
> > That we were capable of making other men like ourselves. Well, since God
> > lives in eternity --
> What god . You have no defensible position in insisting that such as a
> god exists ,when such is not supportable by scientifically verifiable
> substantiating data and is so abhorrent to edified logic.
> we are also living in eternity.
> Observer
> You are alive for a few short years by virtue of the luck of the draw
> eternity is only an abstraction of time that you will never experience
> because you will soon be dead as in having ceased to exist without
> regard to the superstitious nonsense taught in the hideously corrupt
> and insanely vile and fictive representations made in your filthy buy
> bull.
> What happens in the
> > here and now will make the rest of our existance either in *well being -
> in
> > heaven* or *in gnashing of teeth - in hell*.
> Observer
> More stupid and unsupportable lies having only the compendium of
> idiotic superstitious filth as a reference point.
> We were created to be eternal
> > beings.
> Observer
> You have been created a liar and an abomination to the beauty which
> humanity can and should be.
> > > > When viewing Christianity from the standpoint of knowing the God and
> > > Father
> > > Observer
> > > A stupid concept , is the reality or life as verifiable by scientific
> > > data so terrifying to you that you deny what is actual in favor of
> > > imaginary bull shit that never happened and for witch there is no
> > > scientifically verifiable substantiating data.
> > > How can you be so demented as to accept such superstitious filth ?
> > Thea
> > Our soul is an *eternal* being -- we are at the present time, living in
> > eternity!!
> Observer
> Provide scientifically verifiable substantiating data proving such to
> be true or admit that you are blindly and stupidly in faith with a lie
> of demonic proportions.
> How did you get so stupid how long after becoming a christian did the
> atrophy of mind become complete?
> > This is only the stair steps to heaven -- we either go up - or we go down
> --
> Provide scientifically verifiable substantiating data Proving the
> existence of the heaven or hell to which you refer.
> You can not because they are simply the product of myths and do not
> exist and never will.
> Lies lies and more lies meant for the addle-pated minds of savage
> brutes too sub human to use the tools of scientific method.
> > but we have a decision to make in the here and now -- so we get to decide
> > what our fate will be.
> That is correct but only for the time you have left to live. What a
> shame that you have chosen demonic worship and a belief in the black
> art of magic over the crystal clear beauty of scientific method and
> edified logic.
> You have little time left wherein to correct you errors as nothing
> will matter after you have devolved into the nothingness which is
> death.
> It would be a shame to have lived an entire life and never have known
> the joy of learning .
> > > > of our Lord Jesus Christ on a personal basis
> > > This god fraud is not our lord ,and Jesus was not a Christ. You are
> > > simply projecting your fear of death in such a way as to attempt to
> > > dissuade your self of the fact that when your life ends,as it soon
> > > will , there will exist nothing representing such as you. , no
> > > thought, no sensation, not even a dream. You are about to devolve into
> > > the nothingness from which you evolved.
> > Thea
> > The *know-so*
> Observer
> The know so ? You can't even establish the existence of a god by
> providing simple scientifically verifiable substantiating data and you
> call your hideous superstition filth"Know so"?
> You are mired in the pure psychotic shit provided only by a criminal
> machine who's only intent ever has been the enslavement of human
> minds, world conquest, and dominance over all that is beautiful and
> potential in humanity.
> Have you after all no shame or is it that your brutish stupidity has
> vanquished what was once potentially human in you.
> salvation which we have found,
> Lies lies and more lies Salvation from what ? There is nothing save
> ignorance from which humanity is in need of salvation. Sin is bull
> shit . Your god is bull shit, your entire superstitious filth is the
> stuff of utter bull shit . and you can prove none of it to contain a
> modicum of truth by presenting any scientifically verifiable
> substantiating data in its favor.
> You are truly of the super-stupid of the world.
> lets us know that there is far
> > more to religion than just going to church on Sunday morning and sitting
> in
> > a pew, where we can *sit, soak and rust*.
> Observer
> Precisely as you have in your failure to educate your self and to put
> your trust in the ultimate value of critical thought as applied to
> scientific data from a broad field of disciplines and controlled by
> scientific method.
> > The *Know-so*
> salvation lets us know for sure that there is a Holy Spirit
> > who gives us guidance, and makes His Self known when we are praising the
> > Name of Jesus.
> The I wish salvation of which you speak and which you have ineptly
> called I know salvation is laughable stupidity at its outer limits.
> You are far too stupid to explain just what it is from which you need
> salvation and to back it up with scientifically verifiable data.
> > > , with all the promises in the
> > > > Bible at their disposal, we see that the concept of Heaven becomes --
> Observer
> Just more bull shit
> > > living
> > > > with Jesus
> > > Observer
> > > Promises are easy to make , I could promise you intelligence but all
> > > of us who have read your posts know that such is, for you, an
> > > impossibility.
> > > You are just an uneducated , and rather stupid old woman who has not
> > > the intellectual capacity to profitably engage with the only reliable
> > > source of usable information available to human kind. That would be,
> > > the yield of scientific method. You are too ignorant to understand
> > > that such is necessary to any useful discovery from which can be
> > > made accurate prognostications.
> > Thea
> > When I was a child, one of my first memories was of the men that arrived
> at
> > the
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