On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:19 PM, grisha <gralmgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, keep avoiding, you do not know why you believe in all that
> nonsense and do not realize it.
Thea
*Nonsense* is what we define as the true definition of *life* without having
Jesus; leading, guiding and directing us on a personal basis.
When we become Christians, the first thing we discovered is that there is a
battle going on between heaven and hell -- St. Paul says this battle is
taking place in heavenly places -- the fight for our souls.
We discover that all we can do is *lean on Jesus* for every breath of air we
take, as only Jesus can satisfy the longing of our souls.
> On Nov 3, 1:58 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:01 AM, grisha <gralmgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > You keep and keep avoiding my questions.
> > Not true, I've been patient and specific with my answers. :)
> > > Adequate or not what was
> > > your method?
> > Method is not adequate to evaluate what is the personal and specific
> > action of God's Holy Spirit. :)
> > > Did you think about that? Did you find any evidences
> > > besides the Bible? Did you wake up one morning and decided this is
> > > it?
> > I've been clear to note the Confession:
> > "yet, notwithstanding, our full persuasion and assurance of the
> > infallible truth and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work
> > of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness by and with the Word in our
> > hearts."
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:52 PM, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 2, 2:08 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Nothing false about noting that humanistic verification is objectively
> >> not tenable. :)
> > there's no such thing as "humanistic verification".
> Any method or process of evaluation that relies upon humanistic
> principles as an epistemological standard fails.
> > are you trying to
> > say that the scientific method is not tenable because it doesn't, so
> > far, confirm the existence of gods?
> As Dr Gordon Clark noted:
> "Science, the history of science, and the philosophy of science are
> ... so inextricably fused or confused that it is impossible to draw
> definite boundaries between them. Yet some people believe that the
> boundaries are most distinct and obvious. ... Scientists frequently
> think that their results spring directly and solely from
> experimentation quite apart from philosophic speculation and
> metaphysics."
> So a scientism that presumes existential or humanistic premises by
> which to give meaning and value to observations and results is not
> tenable, and simply masks an invalid secular humanism "hiding" behind
> observational data.
> > evidently the proper tool, as far
> > as you're concern, is a leap of faith in this particular matter.
> That's not a phrase I've articulated, I've just simply noted that
> humanistic verification is not tenable.
> > so
> > the solipsism you deem is untenable is really your own.
> Nothing solipsistic about noting as Russell did similarly:
> "Another conclusion which was forced upon me was that not only
> science, but a great deal that no one sincerely doubts to be
> knowledge, is impossible if we only know what can be experienced and
> verified."
> God's not being humanistically measurable indicates a fault with the
> humanistic yardstick, not God. :)
> > an infinite being would be an inexhaustible reality.
> And thus is a humanistic measure defeated.
> Regards,
> Brock
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:19 PM, grisha <gralmgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, keep avoiding, you do not know why you believe in all that
> nonsense and do not realize it.
No avoidance on my part in answering the question:
>> > Adequate or not what was
>> > your method?
By noting that the premise of the question itself is false/loaded:
Method is not adequate to evaluate what is the personal and specific
action of God's Holy Spirit. :)
thea, so far you did not give any adequate explanation either why you
believe in all this nonsense. You assumed that whatever is in the
Bible is true and acting on that assumption. No explanation why you
assumed.
On Nov 4, 7:16 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:19 PM, grisha <gralmgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > OK, keep avoiding, you do not know why you believe in all that
> > nonsense and do not realize it.
> Thea
> *Nonsense* is what we define as the true definition of *life* without having
> Jesus; leading, guiding and directing us on a personal basis.
> When we become Christians, the first thing we discovered is that there is a
> battle going on between heaven and hell -- St. Paul says this battle is
> taking place in heavenly places -- the fight for our souls.
> We discover that all we can do is *lean on Jesus* for every breath of air we
> take, as only Jesus can satisfy the longing of our souls.
> > On Nov 3, 1:58 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:01 AM, grisha <gralmgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > You keep and keep avoiding my questions.
> > > Not true, I've been patient and specific with my answers. :)
> > > > Adequate or not what was
> > > > your method?
> > > Method is not adequate to evaluate what is the personal and specific
> > > action of God's Holy Spirit. :)
> > > > Did you think about that? Did you find any evidences
> > > > besides the Bible? Did you wake up one morning and decided this is
> > > > it?
> > > I've been clear to note the Confession:
> > > "yet, notwithstanding, our full persuasion and assurance of the
> > > infallible truth and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work
> > > of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness by and with the Word in our
> > > hearts."
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> On Sep 23, 9:08 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Brother Aquinas
> > <brotheraqui...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > Here's from the Bible:
> > > New American Standard Bible ( 1995):
> > > Genesis 2:7, "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground,
> > > and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> > > living being."
> > > King James Bible:
> > > Genesis 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
> > > and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> > > living soul."
> > > I actually call my wife, my mate, better yet, my soul mate. If you
> > > don't believe in a living human being, then what do you believe?
> > Do you believe all animals (including humans) are alive? Then what
> > separates the animal kingdom from human beings?
> Humankind was created as far more superior to the animal kingdom. The
> Bible says that animals cannot be equal to humans:
> Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
> likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and
> over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth,
> and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
Observer
What is superior to all other animals are those who survived as
opposed to those who did not . 99,99999 percent of all the creatures
which ever populated this planet are extinct . All which survived are
equally superior to those which did not.
There are hundreds of ways that other animals are superior to humans ,
in strength, speed, abilities to see and hear, the ability to fly and
hundreds of other less obvious ones.
Incidentally what god ? Please provide scientifically verifiable
substantiating data proving the existence or any action of any god .
When you do so we can move on the the criminal psychosis of
Christianity as the filthy fucking superstition which it is.
Why are Christians so fucking stupid that they believe in magic,
and fetishistic sadomasochism as opposed to the scientifically
verifiable data which is consistently useful as derived through the
process of scientific method ?
Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of
daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions
of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820
Here is to the impending death of the filth of Christianity ,
psychotic filth that must be expunged from the human experience.
Were there a Devil he would praise the works of Christianity and if
there were a god he would be affronted by the biblical descriptions of
him as an evil being and the vile propensities ascribed to him/her/
it.
You pore bastards have realty fucked up an otherwise perverted
collection of nonsensical stories into a truly hateful and
misanthropic criminality.
> > > Genesis 2:7, "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground,
> > > and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> > > living being."
> > > King James Bible:
> > > Genesis 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
> > > and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> > > living soul."
> > > I actually call my wife, my mate, better yet, my soul mate. If you
> > > don't believe in a living human being, then what do you believe?
> > Do you believe all animals (including humans) are alive? Then what
> > separates the animal kingdom from human beings?
> What differentiates man from other living organisms is not that he is
> ensouled and they are not (that is Platonism -- often confused with
> Christianity) but the /kind/ of soul. For just there as there are
> grades of being so there are grades of soul. Everything alive is
> ensouled. But not every soul is a rational soul.
Observer
Look ,stupid, you are unable to provide scientifically verifiable
substantiating data for this soul thing in as far as is defined by the
fucking nutcases of the world, the Christians/superstitious believers
on fetishistic sadomasochistic magic.
The spiritual and eternal part of a living being, commonly held to be
separable in existence from the body; distinct from the physical part
which simply dies, does not exist and you can not provide
scientifically verifiable substantiating data proving otherwise.
Furthermore , I recommend that you stop referring to rational as if
you had any idea what that entailed.
Please get an education which includes but is not limited to critical
thought , scientific method and a collection of current scientific
data from a broad field of disciplines.
On Sep 24, 8:14 am, Alan Wostenberg <awo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 24, 8:58 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Sep 24, 11:39 am, Alan Wostenberg <awo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Do you believe all animals (including humans) are alive? Then what
> > > > separates the animal kingdom from human beings?
> > > What differentiates man from other living organisms is not that he is
> > > ensouled and they are not (that is Platonism -- often confused with
> > > Christianity) but the /kind/ of soul. For just there as there are
> > > grades of being so there are grades of soul. Everything alive is
> > > ensouled. But not every soul is a rational soul.
> > Hum, and where does this "soul grades" knowledge comes from?
> Observation of nature, my friend, and application of the principle
> 'tis better to be than not to be.
Observer
Show us the data and the matrix used to display the results. And of
course I must ask you to provide scientifically verifiable
substantiating data that you applied the full force of scientific
method to your research and supply us with the published paper (in a
respected peer reviewed scientific journal).
On Nov 3, 1:56 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > the objective truth of the "holy scripture, being god's own word" may
> > be that it's no such thing.
> That is not my testimony, nor is it the Statement's.
so what. we're talking abt reality. the objective truth abt what you
call "holy scripture" may be that it's no such thing; it's just a
human artifact. you or anything else can "testify" all you or it wants
but that doesn't dictate reality, now does it?
> > so your assertion that it is is a belief.
> > merely going on abt the objective truth of something doesn't prove a
> > thing abt it. if you think it does that's truth begging.
> I'm clear to note 2) in the context of humanistic verification's
> failure, and that 1) does not articulate such a basis.
what failure? failure to conform to your doctrine? so what. & if
you're claiming that it's failure to recognize objective reality then
that's just truth begging because it is not clear that what you call
"holy scripture" has anything to do with a supernatural being, much
less the supernatural being you define.
nor can a god like that exist from no where and so impossible to be
educated and impossible to be wise or intelligent...GOD is the sum of
gods and that is us as intelligent beings... the whole is the sum of
the parts. When we were told we were gods you all thought we are
humans...dumb brings more dumb and so you dropped the responsibility
of a god for that of an ape and the poor and needy go without as you
waste out of pure vanity and green and ignorance...you klill by
neglect and think you are not knee deep in the blood of your victims.
They that serve the most needy first shall pass first and the rest of
you will pass last as in dead last!
So it is written so it is in this age.
On Oct 27, 4:52 pm, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 26, 2:10 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > . In this specific
> > >> context, the existence of this world is independent of your humanistic
> > >> assessment of possibility.
> > > no, it's an assessment of *actuality*.
> > Not true: Humankind is not the measure of all things.
> what we see is what exists. it's irrerlevant what may exist that we
> don't know abt as far as having actual knowledge of the world is
> concern. . don't confuse your asssessment of the possibility of god
> with an assessment of the actuality of a god. question-begging just
> makes you a liar.
> > > god doesn't exist, & omniscence & infinite consciousness is
> > > oxymoronic.
> > Do you have an objective basis for such a conjecture, besides personal
> > sensibility? ;D
> 1. there's no objective evidence for a god.
> 2. an infinite consciousness can not possibly comprehend itself.
> (infinity is immeasurable.)
> > 1) I believe that the Bible is objectively true
> that's too bad because there's errors in it.
> > 2) The objective truth of the Bible is independent of my belief
> & there's no necessary equivalence between "the objective truth of the
> bible" & your belief that "the bible is objectively true". you are
> either confused and/or you're trying to confuse other people with
> double talk.
again man is the measure of all things and only man can do it and so
to dare think that things exist without man is important is a form of
insanity for mankind measure what is and it does not need to think or
measure itself and so it is pointless to even think ...but we have
fools and they do think so low as to skip measure to the word BE as if
they were the same..dumb is what dumb do and dumb in this case is to
not be able to know mankind is the one that measure all things and we
found no others that can...yet.
On Oct 27, 4:57 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:52 PM, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 26, 2:10 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > . In this specific
> >> >> context, the existence of this world is independent of your humanistic
> >> >> assessment of possibility.
> >> > no, it's an assessment of *actuality*.
> >> Not true: Humankind is not the measure of all things.
> > what we see is what exists.
> Rather, what exists is independent of its observation.If Archimedes
> understood the truth of the principle that bears his name[1], its
> truth preceded his knowledge of it.
> > 2. an infinite consciousness can not possibly comprehend itself.
> God is not limited by what you fail to comprehend.
> > (infinity is immeasurable.)
> Unbounded knowledge is not immeasurable to an unbounded God. :)
> >> 1) I believe that the Bible is objectively true
> > that's too bad because there's errors in it.
> I consider that you confuse the indictment with the conviction. :)
> >> 2) The objective truth of the Bible is independent of my belief
> > & there's no necessary equivalence between "the objective truth of the
> > bible" & your belief that "the bible is objectively true". you are
> > either confused and/or you're trying to confuse other people with
> > double talk.
> Just making the clear point that 1) is not based upon untenable
> humanistic premises.
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:54 PM, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 27, 8:44 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Humankind is not the measure of all things.
> >> > And you know that because you are God?
> >> Or alternatively, God has seen fit to share such knowledge with
> >> humankind. For example, consider:
> > so brock sees fit to share "knowledge" with "humankind". this guy is a
> > hoot.
> On Oct 27, 8:44 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:51 PM, grisha <gralmgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Well in the context of:
> > >> 1) I believe that the Bible is objectively true
> > >> 2) The objective truth of the Bible is independent of my belief
> > >> Statement 2) is quite clear and specific to communicate that 1) is not
> > >> articulated from a humanistic basis. Instead, as I've noted before:
> > >> Humankind is not the measure of all things.
> > > And you know that because you are God?
> > Or alternatively, God has seen fit to share such knowledge with
> > humankind. For example, consider:
> > "The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His
> > commandments, because this applies to every person. For God will bring
> > every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good
> > or evil."
> And you, Brock Organ, know that for the same reason, because you are
> God?
FOOL
LIAR
what part of the grace and forgiveness did you think was for you that
refused to repent to gain such things? Your claims of magical god
makes you the rejected with no grace and not a speck of pity or place
with us...you chose to slander the kingdom of god with lies of magical
God that is not the teachings! Then you claim you are forgiven and
have grace when you did not repent!!!! what kind of monster are you???
On Oct 28, 12:06 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:05 PM, grisha <gralmgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Or alternatively, God has seen fit to share such knowledge with
> >> humankind. For example, consider:
> >> "The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His
> >> commandments, because this applies to every person. For God will bring
> >> every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good
> >> or evil."
> > And you, Brock Organ, know that for the same reason, because you are
> > God?
> No, I am only a sinner, saved by Christ's grace. I am so thankful for
> God's mercy and pardon, and I praise, worship and adore Him for His
> love! :)
> and I have to agree with Observer here...the kingdom of IAm and the
> fake God you follow are very different things! One is real and the
> other never existed and is nothing but hearsay stories by people that
> by the stories themselves never met him to know him or what he did in
> that closed up garden. It also tells us that Iam was a breeder not a
> creator and breeding good intelligent humans must of been really
> important because the stories show other than humans as inferior more
> brutal and dim witted beings made extinct. This places the stories at
> 144,000 years ago and repeated may ways over time. Iam is a
> remarkable afdvanced wisdom of a race of people we were told existed
> and tried hard to survive a well known doom of volcanic explosion and
> so for many decades before the explosion they sent out ships to seed
> and colonize new lands to escape the doom fate... it is the story of
> Atlantis and the survivors wise in the knowing to leave before it got
> that bad. The shape and ways of the Garden match and so do the stories
> themselves and the passing of the ARK as proof of sea baring people
> and fish like ships se4en off shore again more proof.... the watching
> of volcanic activities as side focus in times since also a proof.
> There is no sign of a magical creator god in any of the proof or
> evidence aside of few PAGAN tribal stories worth nothing because they
> are stories told by the fire for a long time in generations before
> someone took the main 3 telling fo the story and put it into one
> creation story that is a lie of course as all bedtime stories tend to
> be. it makes a heck of a lot more sense to think iam was wise man in
> head of a fleet of ships full of animals and food and supplies that
> simply found new safe lands and built there same as found in Egypt of
> the city before the pyramids was built inland to protect it from the
> events that can kill all by the sea where most humans lived always or
> by water... because we know what a human is and always was over the
> magical claims of pagans that never knew any of it so made up stories
> that the kingdom rejected as pagan follies. It is all easy and all
> makes asense and it does in fact carry the cure for evil but you are
> fools that look other places thaqn forms for answers and so can't
> understand the scriptures that is about forms and not really about the
> people in the stories. The form is way more important and you all
> neglect to face the forms as you focus on the people that are the
> secondary part of the stories.
> you do not read the scriptures with the mark of god on you or with you
> and so can't see the forms or understand the teachings as a side
> effect of not having the keys to the seals of it... I do and think you
> are all blind fools...just as it is written!
> On Oct 14, 8:32 pm, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Genesis 2:7, "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground,
> > > and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> > > living being."
> > > King James Bible:
> > Observer
> > This book of primitive myths produced by savage, uneducated
> > superstitious ,and thoroughly undisciplined minds , is to be avoided
> > when one is seeking any useful information.
> > Those of you who read the hideously stupid disinformation contained
> > therein and find in it what appeals to you are deeply demented .
> > > Genesis 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
> > > and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> > > living soul."
> > Observer
> > Such , however , was never the case as there is not now nor has there
> > ever been scientifically verifiable substantiating data for the
> > existence of or any action of any god.
> > > I actually call my wife, my mate, better yet, my soul mate. If you
> > > don't believe in a living human being, then what do you believe?
> > Observer
> > Where is your brain ? You impute that belief in a human is necessarily
> > belief in the superstitious filth wherein is described the "breath of
> > life" .( a soul)
> > Observer
> > Look ,Stupid, humans like all creatures are part of the natural, as
> > opposed to a dimwitted concept of a * supernatural*, flow of
> > contingent beings and events.
> > Just as in the case of the lack of scientifically verifiable
> > substantiating data for a god or any act thereof , there is a
> > conspicuous absence data affirming of any parallel existence ,
> > condition, or beings which would lend credence to belief in the
> > metaphysical nonsense alluded to by the fabricators of the
> > superstitious filth which makes up the bulk of Christian psychosis.
> > If you are too stupid , too irresponsible, and to contaminated by
> > religious morbidity to extricate your self there from you have
> > proclaimed yourself thereby an enemy of humankind and proclaimed your
> > misanthropy to the whole world.
> > The ignorant of the world have not read the sciences the truly stupid
> > and criminally insane refuse to do so.
> > The predicates of the brain , the central nervous system, and
> > autonomic computing functions of individual cells, as a composite,
> > are referred to as consciousness. These have no independent existence
> > of their own but are descriptions of what the sentient creature does
> > in managing its survival skills.
> > Your claim that the predicate the verb is the nominative is
> > obscenely stupid.
> > In the following statement "Johny runs" is it correct to say that runs
> > exists . Of course not it is Johny that exists and runs describes what
> > Johny is doing.
> > Johny (the existent creature) = nominative (noun)
> > runs = predicate (verb) (the action of the existent creature)
> > What you are describing as the nonnative has no existence of its own
> > any more that your wild and unsupportable idea that soul
> > (consciousness) (thinking) exists, other than as a description of the
> > action of that which does exist.(The existent creature)
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:22 PM, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 1:56 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > the objective truth of the "holy scripture, being god's own word" may
>> > be that it's no such thing.
>> That is not my testimony, nor is it the Statement's.
> so what.
I don't affirm your conjecture, and note that an evaluation using an
inadequate basis (such as humanistic verification) does not bear
scrutiny. :)
> Genesis 2:7, "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground,
> and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> living being."
> King James Bible:
> Genesis 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
> and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> living soul."
> I actually call my wife, my mate, better yet, my soul mate. If you
> don't believe in a living human being, then what do you believe?
If you think there is such a thing as a soul then which animals have
them and which do not.
If you think they are immortal then what would it be like to survive
death?
Do you really think any of this is in the slightest meaningful?
On Sep 23, 2:08 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Genesis 2:7, "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground,
> > and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> > living being."
> > King James Bible:
> > Genesis 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
> > and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> > living soul."
> > I actually call my wife, my mate, better yet, my soul mate. If you
> > don't believe in a living human being, then what do you believe?
> Do you believe all animals (including humans) are alive? Then what
> separates the animal kingdom from human beings?
But do animals have souls?
What is a soul?
Is it immortal?
What does it feel like to live on?
How can you feel without a body?
Are you really expecting anyone to take you seriously; quoting from a
book written by ignorant savages with no education, barely able to
read and write, and rejected by generations of theologians as literal
truth.
On Sep 23, 2:20 pm, Brother Aquinas <brotheraqui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 9:08 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Brother Aquinas
> > <brotheraqui...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > Here's from the Bible:
> > > New American Standard Bible ( 1995):
> > > Genesis 2:7, "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground,
> > > and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> > > living being."
> > > King James Bible:
> > > Genesis 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
> > > and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> > > living soul."
> > > I actually call my wife, my mate, better yet, my soul mate. If you
> > > don't believe in a living human being, then what do you believe?
> > Do you believe all animals (including humans) are alive? Then what
> > separates the animal kingdom from human beings?
> Humankind was created as far more superior to the animal kingdom. The
> Bible says that animals cannot be equal to humans:
> Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
> likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and
> over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth,
> and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
Brock is a liar and ignorant to God will and ways... so a fool lying
to pretend he is of god when he is lost and not of God by his own
choice to think he is going to get life after life that not one place
in the scriptures offer.
On Nov 9, 5:00 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
since a souls, spirit are the reflection of the being into the records
we know that the spirit or soul is trapped in the words written. The
FACT that the teqachings are about teaching people to read and write
to record the souls so they not die and be forgotten but live in the
records as life after death of the reflection of the life that was...
all other teachings about this subject are lies. Jesus was part of the
teachers and John the Baptist was a copier that made a mistake and was
cast out to die in the desert as ids the law over they that make
copies of such important nature. jesus and john both understand the
scriptures because they both could read just like his family all could
read... most of the whole population in that time could not read or
write and so his duty was to teach them how to cross from flesh to
text to live on as themselves represented. They that claim life after
life are liars as jesus himself left in flesh and not one of the
teachings teach others than flesh and text.
They that claim other are what was called "pagans" that did not read
or write simply are so ignorant they could not understand just like
some of you are so ignorant you think still life after life even when
explicit effort was made to tell you it was not life after life at all
but soul saved in records after death to REPRESENT the SELF as best as
possible. Today you all take it for granted and waste your lives not
recording it and not living by the record...you live by the beast that
tells you what you listen to and watch! Your TV is not giving you junk
programming for nothing!!! the 2 % of the wqorld you see on TV is fake
and cheat and made to make you fools... the rest is held as extortions
are asked as traitors run this world all because YOU can't bu8ild a
house right!!! yea that is why the world is a shit..YOU DO NOT KNOW
WHAT TO BUILD OR WHY IT IS SO PERFECT! You obey the liars...and now
you will buy junk for Xmas to prove you hate the needy and the poor
and shower the rich and with plenty to mock jesus to the point of
traitor to him and the Kingdom..then say you are saved just like
deepest of fools do.
On Nov 9, 5:07 pm, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you think there is such a thing as a soul then which animals have
> them and which do not.
> If you think they are immortal then what would it be like to survive
> death?
> Do you really think any of this is in the slightest meaningful?
> On Sep 23, 2:08 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Brother Aquinas
> > <brotheraqui...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > Genesis 2:7, "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground,
> > > and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> > > living being."
> > > King James Bible:
> > > Genesis 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
> > > and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> > > living soul."
> > > I actually call my wife, my mate, better yet, my soul mate. If you
> > > don't believe in a living human being, then what do you believe?
> > Do you believe all animals (including humans) are alive? Then what
> > separates the animal kingdom from human beings?
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