PORTLAND, Maine (Reuters) - Voters in Maine on Tuesday
overturned a law allowing same-sex couples to wed, dealing a
fresh setback to the U.S. gay marriage movement in a race that
attracted national attention.

The law was approved by Maine's Legislature in May but was not
implemented after opponents gathered enough signatures to put
the issue to a "people's veto."

With 87 percent of precincts reporting, votes to reject the law
were running at 52.75 percent to 47.25 percent, according to
unofficial tallies from the Bangor Daily News.

Frank Schubert, chief organizer of the "Yes on 1" campaign to
reject same-sex marriage in the state, claimed victory early on
Wednesday, although his opponents refused to concede.

Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Vermont are
the only U.S. states where a same-sex marriage law is on the
books. In each instance, the laws were approved by legislatures
and judges, not by popular vote.

Citizens in some 30 states before Maine voted against same-sex
marriages.

The referendum in sparsely populated Maine was thrust onto the
national stage, attracting large levels of funding and battle-
hardened strategists.

The outcome is "further evidence that although voters have shown
tolerance toward same sex couples, they draw the line at
marriage," said Jeff Flint, a partner with Schubert Flint Public
Affairs in Sacramento, who worked on California's "Yes on 8"
campaign in 2008. "They feel marriage is different."

Groups in favor of traditional marriage prevailed in Maine even
though they were outspent two-to-one by the "No on 1" groups,
Flint said.

The push to repeal got powerful help from Portland's Catholic
Bishop Richard Malone, who spoke out repeatedly against the
legalization of same-sex marriage. About 37 percent of Maine's
population is Roman Catholic.

STATE OF THE UNIONS

Several U.S. states have statutes sanctioning various kinds of
civil unions for same-sex couples.

But those do not carry many of the same legal protections as
actual marriages, such as the ability to share healthcare
benefits with a partner, or inheritance rights.

"There were real inequalities in terms of Maine's statutes.
Civil unions did not equal civil marriages," Maine Governor John
Baldacci, a Democrat, said on local television of his decision
to support the gay marriage law.

Maine's initiative was closely followed after California's
bitter same-sex marriage fight in 2008. Proposition 8 upended a
state Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples have a
constitutional right to marry.

Some of the best known national gay and lesbian rights groups
would like to wait and watch before attempting to turn back
Proposition 8.

But John Henning, executive director of the group Love Honor
Cherish in Los Angeles said Maine's vote was likely to catalyze
grass-roots action in several states.

"It will light a fire under activists and be a reminder that we
all had our right to marry taken away in California," he said.

Chalk one up for the decent men and women of Maine, who
understand what the Gay agenda is really about - recruitment of
their children.

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    Anti-same-sex marriage bigotry will END in a NANOSECOND,
nationwide, as soon as the U.S. Supreme Court ends that hateful
exclusion of millions of people from marriage -- just as it did in
"Loving vs. Virginia" in 1967 for interracial marriage.  Because if
they didn't, they'd owe a HUGE apology to the segregationists!

    It's only a matter of time before ALL forms of bigotry in the
USA are properly and PERMANENTLY extinguished.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

                     The Inevitable Fate of Movements
                             of Intolerance in America

   Society ALWAYS outgrows intolerant and hateful movements
that are mired in stupidity, and are supported by NO relevant
facts.  ALWAYS.  No exceptions!  And our own history, here
in the USA, makes that very clear.  Since 1865 ---

    --  Slavery                         --  EXTINCT
    --  Opposition to Women's Suffrage  --  EXTINCT
    --  Prohibition                             --  EXTINCT
    --  Opposition to Birth-Control Pill        --  EXTINCT
    --  Segregation                     --  EXTINCT
    --  Anti-Semitism                 -- ENDANGERED (Thankfully)
    --  Anti-Choice (abortion)  -- LAUGHINGSTOCK STATUS
    --  Opposition to EQUAL Rights for Gays -- FADING FAST

   Segregationists were a JOKE (i.e., "laughingstock status")
during the last few years before it became extinct.  As opposition
to EQUAL rights for gays (with respect to housing, being parents,
marriage, and employment) continues to fade, the remaining
opponents first will become laughingstocks, and then that
hatefulness will end in extinction.  constant consciousness-raising,
as is being assisted by the media in its sitcoms, talk shows, etc., is
very helpful.  

    The ludicrous and hateful actions and defense of sociopathic
agendas against individual liberties on the part of the adherents/
lemmings of the RRR Cult will soon lead to American society's
becoming EMBARRASSED to have those louts in their midst,
making our country a laughingstock in front of the entire world.  
Even now, the process of their becoming FED UP with that is
building toward the critical mass that will trigger the *rejection*
of the RRR's **shameful** and worthless agendas.  Before much
longer, society will reject those movements with all the force that
it brought to bear against segregation.

    Historical precedents have CONSISTENTLY proven that
Americans **outgrow* movements of intolerance (such as ALL
of the above), and then REJECT them -- leaving them behind
FOREVER.

   And *that* is EXTINCTION.

   Very WELCOME extinction.  As in, "Good riddance forever!"

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

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                •••                   Rest in Peace                    •••
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                •••           A True American HERO!            •••
                •••    August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009      •••
                •••      Visit --  http://iamdrtiller.com         •••

              = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

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<flush>

    Anti-same-sex marriage bigotry will END in a NANOSECOND,
nationwide, as soon as the U.S. Supreme Court ends that hateful
exclusion of millions of people from marriage -- just as it did in
"Loving vs. Virginia" in 1967 for interracial marriage.  Because if
they didn't, they'd owe a HUGE apology to the segregationists!

    It's only a matter of time before ALL forms of bigotry in the
USA are properly and PERMANENTLY extinguished.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

                     The Inevitable Fate of Movements
                             of Intolerance in America

   Society ALWAYS outgrows intolerant and hateful movements
that are mired in stupidity, and are supported by NO relevant
facts.  ALWAYS.  No exceptions!  And our own history, here
in the USA, makes that very clear.  Since 1865 ---

    --  Slavery                         --  EXTINCT
    --  Opposition to Women's Suffrage  --  EXTINCT
    --  Prohibition                             --  EXTINCT
    --  Opposition to Birth-Control Pill        --  EXTINCT
    --  Segregation                     --  EXTINCT
    --  Anti-Semitism                 -- ENDANGERED (Thankfully)
    --  Anti-Choice (abortion)  -- LAUGHINGSTOCK STATUS
    --  Opposition to EQUAL Rights for Gays -- FADING FAST

   Segregationists were a JOKE (i.e., "laughingstock status")
during the last few years before it became extinct.  As opposition
to EQUAL rights for gays (with respect to housing, being parents,
marriage, and employment) continues to fade, the remaining
opponents first will become laughingstocks, and then that
hatefulness will end in extinction.  constant consciousness-raising,
as is being assisted by the media in its sitcoms, talk shows, etc., is
very helpful.  

    The ludicrous and hateful actions and defense of sociopathic
agendas against individual liberties on the part of the adherents/
lemmings of the RRR Cult will soon lead to American society's
becoming EMBARRASSED to have those louts in their midst,
making our country a laughingstock in front of the entire world.  
Even now, the process of their becoming FED UP with that is
building toward the critical mass that will trigger the *rejection*
of the RRR's **shameful** and worthless agendas.  Before much
longer, society will reject those movements with all the force that
it brought to bear against segregation.

    Historical precedents have CONSISTENTLY proven that
Americans **outgrow* movements of intolerance (such as ALL
of the above), and then REJECT them -- leaving them behind
FOREVER.

   And *that* is EXTINCTION.

   Very WELCOME extinction.  As in, "Good riddance forever!"

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

              = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

                •••                   Rest in Peace                    •••
                •••          George Richard Tiller, MD          •••
                •••           A True American HERO!            •••
                •••    August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009      •••
                •••      Visit --  http://iamdrtiller.com         •••

              = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

                 -- Craig Chilton  <xanadu...@mchsi.com>

 www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
 www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the RRR Cult!
 http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
 http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Bigotry
 www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
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        This is why it appears that we are doomed.  With all the REAL problems
we have to contend with, people focus on trivial bullshit like this.
Unbelievable.

Therefore, gays born in the United States are entitled to the same
legal rights and protections as blacks.  Rightards are always babbling
about constitutional fundamentalism - a strict interpretation of the
Constitution exactly as it is written - and since there does not seem
to be any exception from the 14th Amendment for gay people (or short
people, fat people, ugly people, and whoever else you happen to
dislike), that means it applies.

     It's not surpring.  That sort of ignorance and bigotry go
together.

You are all a bunch of whiny hypocrites.

Then, whether or not the state recognizes rights of inheritance, or
medical rights of next-of-kin, it becomes a moot point.

Such contractual issues would also neatly settle the issue of group
marriages.  Just call 'em corporations instead.

--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana

That would give homosexuals the equal rights that they are asking for.  If
that isn't enough....then there is some kind of political agenda going on.

"Call it anything you want, just don't call it marriage."

Okay.

Done.

"Domestic partnership."

What's that? An "end run" you say? We were just following your suggestion, yet you object
to the term. Why?

Oh, "domestic partnerships treat the people to the same sort of obligations and
responsibilities that marriage does." Well, yes, that *is* the point remember.

Oh, we went too far? There's something inherently dangerous in making same-sex
relationships into a social institution advocating responsible behavior, or in holding
same-sex couples to obligations?

Don't get so red in the face! What's upset you now? Eh? "Same-sex couples" is a term you
find offensive? "Raises an immoral lifestyle choice to something seemingly on par with the
traditional, heterosexual, concept of the term 'couple' "?

All, right, we'll get back to that. First though, I'd like an answer as to how it is
undesirable to allow same-sex *persons* (better?) to enter into agreements that tie them
to one another with obligations and responsi...

Now you're objecting to an "allusion to the heterosexual phrase 'tying the knot' "?

All, right, I'll remember that. Back to the question: How does fostering acts of
responsibility and obligation between two same-sex people...

"Because it creates a fake impression -- an illusion -- of respectability, and a mockery
of marriage." I see.

So, in other words, we can call it anything we want; but it will always be this "mockery"
of marriage, and you will oppose it regardless of its name?

I see.

So, in other words, you lied. We can't call it anything.

Well, I guess we'll call it what it's supposed to be then: Marriage. Why should *we* join
the ranks of the fork-tongued? It seems there are enough people in that immoral lifestyle
choice already...

--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:

"I am not insane. Just because you don't think there's a market for marijuana-scented car
air freshners... It would make the roads *much* safer 'cause people will know what'll
happen if they get stopped. Think about it, would *you* want to get pulled over in a car
that smells like you just smoked a big fat joint? That little doohicky hanging from the
rear-view mirror could probably get you lower insurance rates!"
--Dionisio, June 1995

(Brought to you by SigChanger.)

Crazy Craig, your inability to understand a simply worded statement is
astounding.

     http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Millions-have-kids.html

--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana

On 2009-11-06 06:44:45 -0500, "(¯`·.¸CRAZY Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
<www.Lay-me.com> " <x...@m.com> said:

TRY THIS FACTUAL  ARTICLE ON FOR SIZE, CRAZY CRAIG:

Gay Definition of Marriage is 
Not the Equal of Heterosexual Marriage

Facts Show Sexual Fidelity Not a Part of Gay Union

We are seeing a major debate in Canada regarding the institution of
marriage, and about opening the doors to this institution to gays and
lesbians. Although I've not been married for years, I do have some
thoughts about marriage and what it represents.
 Just what are the positive attributes which being married denotes?
Well, commitment for one. Marriage is all about commitment, till death
do us part and all. And fidelity. Couples enter into marriage with the
solemn intention of being faithful, despite what may occur down the
road. What about raising a family? The list goes on, but by and large,
marriage is now and has been viewed historically and culturally as a
positive state. A good marriage is one of those things we all grow up
hoping to attain and which, once we're married, we hope to preserve. It
is so vital to our self image that people in poor marriages often go to
extreme lengths to portray their union to the world as a positive one.
Is it any wonder that gays want to claim the term 'marriage' for their
unions? That acceptance, which has been the case in a few misguided
states, is based on the precept that gay relationships are 'just like
ours'. But what if this isn't true?
There is, in fact, a large body of evidence which shows that gay
relationships are not the equal of what heterosexual marriage is. If we
are to make the correct decision for this country, it behooves us to
examine all sides of the situation - even if some of it isn't pretty.
The first revelation we could examine is commitment. The 1984 book "The
Gay Couple" was written by a psychiatrist and psychologist (who
happened to be a homosexual couple), and they hoped to dispel the myth
that gay couples lacked stability and long-term relationships.
Rather than eliminate the myth, their research confirmed it. After much
searching, they were able to locate only 156 couples in lasting
relationships. The study also revealed that only 7 couples had actually
maintained sexual fidelity and none of the seven had been together more
than 5 years.
The Australian and New Zealand Journal of Sociology had this to say:
"Gay" monogamous relationships are rarely faithful. "Monogamous" seems
to imply some primary emotional commitment, while casual sex continues
on the side (1). Imagine coming home to see your spouse heading out the
door saying "Love you loads honey, got to go see the boy(girl)friend
now." How does that make your creaky heterosexual bones feel? Does that
feel like the commitment you went to the altar for? Didn't think so.
Ignoring the emotional effects this could have on a straight
relationship, how about the health aspect of all this? Here's something
from the upscale gay magazine Genre, which surveyed 1037 readers in
October of 1996. "One of the single largest groups in the gay community
still experiencing an increase of HIV are supposedly monogamous
couples." 52% have had sex in a public park. 45% have participated in
three-way sex. 42% have had sex with more than 100 different partners
and 16% claim between 40 to 100 partners.(2)
And Genre is an upscale gay men's magazine. We aren't talking about
street hustlers here.
How about fidelity, that "forsaking all others" thing we promised? Once
again, let's let a homosexual scientist do the talking. According to
Simon LeVay, a homosexual scientist who has researched homosexuality
extensively - (males) are much more interested in casual sex and non
monogamous relationships. In the same article in The Advocate, Gretchen
Lee, managing editor of Curve, was quoted that one of her female staff
writers wanted to "even cruise for sex as gay men do."(3)
How about this comment from Dr. Martin Dannecker (a German sexologist,
who studied 900 homosexuals in 1991 living in "steady relationships")?
According to Dr. Dannecker, 83% of males had numerous sexual encounters
outside their partnerships over a one-year period. Dr. Dannecker
observed "clear differences in the manner of sexual gratification"
between single and non-single gay men that were the reverse of what he
expected. Of the homosexual men in steady relationships, he wrote," the
average number of homosexual contacts per person was 115 in the past
year." In contrast, single gay men had only 45 sexual contacts. (4)
According to gay icons Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, who wrote
"After the Ball" (considered by many to be the definitive gay
manifesto), "The cheating ratio of 'married' [committed] gay males,
given enough time, approaches 100%." (5)
Here is one more quote, again from a gay magazine, which is surely the
saddest testament to gay relationships that I have ever read. In the
July 1999 issue of Out Magazine there was an article about a lesbian
and a gay guy who decide to get married. The lesbian, Lisa, explains
the limitations of their relationship, "I had huge performance
anxieties, I mean, the total number of men whose bodies I'd touched and
tried to please was, you know, 9. That was, like, the total number of
men Bro (her gay husband) would try to please in a weekend...We'd drive
out to the Palisades in the evening and talk and talk and talk, then
I'd drop him off to go have sex in bathrooms." (6)
I hope that you have noticed that most of these examples are derived
from gay sources. I don't want anyone to think that these quotes are
coming from heterosexuals who are virulently opposed to any
consideration of gay marriage. This is largely what gays are saying
about themselves and their lives.
What I want to point out to you is that the entire notion of gay
marriage is being presented to Canadians using the facade that gays
have unions similar to heterosexual marriage. That is very simply just
not true. Gays themselves admit, as you have seen here, that fidelity
is not an issue with them.
For whatever reasons, and it can be backed up by research and anecdotal
evidence, few gays form unions that are exclusive to their partner. In
fact, the sheer prodigiousness of the gay lifestyle and the number of
partners gay men have beggars the straight male's imagination. One
researcher noted that "Homosexuals still have 3-4 times as many
partners as heterosexuals". (7)
The American Psychological Association, who have stated that
homosexuality is not a deviation and started the ball rolling towards
normalization of homosexuality, also have said "after the AIDS epidemic
the average number of male homosexual partners only dropped from 70 to
50 per year". (8)
Imagine that - only 50 per year. Studies in Canada show that the
average Canadian only has sex 102 times per year. This is one of those
things that makes me go "hmmmm".
If we're going to have this debate, and we are doing that right now,
then let's have it with all the facts out in the public's eye so that
we can make a wise and well-informed decision.

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(1) Connell, RW. Crawford, J., Dowsett, GW., Kippax, S., Sinnott, V.,
Rodden, P., Berg, R., Baxter, D., Waston, L., " Danger and context:
unsafe anal sexual practice among homosexual and bisexual men in the
AIDS crisis," Australian and New Zealand Journal of Sociology (1990 )
26: pp.187-208.
(2)Source: LaBarbera, Peter, " Survey finds 40% of Gay men have had
more than 40 Sex Partners," The Lambda Report, January-February 1998,
p.20.
(3) " Do gay men and lesbians get along?" XY Magazine, July 1999, no.20, p. 77.
(4) Wittmeier, Carmen, " Now they know the other half," Alberta Report,
1999 06 07, p.27.
(5) " After the Ball," (NY: Doubleday, 1989) pp. 304-320.
(6) Miles, Sara, " He kissed a girl," Out Magazine, July 1999, pp.51-53.
(7) Laumann, FO. Gagnon, JH., Micheal, RT., Micheals, S., The Social
Organization of Sexuality ( Chicago: university of Chicago Press, 1994
).
(8) Sally Ann Stewart, " AIDS Aftermath: Fewer Sex Partners among Gay
Men," USA Today, 21 November 1984.

     Hey!  CLUELESS-wonder Taylor!  MOST *HETEROsexual* married
couples have extramarital affairs at some point or points during their
marriage -- and NO one having a working brain GIVES a flying rat's ass!

     Furthermore, there are NO laws on the books any more about
adultery because those laws WERE utterly asinine.

     So your WHINING about any so-called "infidelity" that might occur
for same-sex marriage couples is ludicrous!  It's NO big deal when
something that TRIVIAL goes on during ANY marriages.  AND -- it is
NO one else's business.

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