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MagneticEnergy  
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From: MagneticEnergy <butterfly77...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:47:40 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 3:47 pm
Subject: Health care does not affect the economy
What people spend on health care has nothing to do with the job
market.   You can spend more on health care and get better  results,
that has nothing to do with your "global financial competition",
minimum wage, or union actions.

These discussions are all about the deceptive use of the media to gain
power.   If the environmental "green movement" was that sincere, there
would be no talk about world currencies or government since it
actually harms the environment (if you literally believed their
science, which I do not) to transport all these "competitive, cheap
goods" all over the world.

There would be no talk of "net neutrality" when google searches or
simply using the internet for a period of time are proven to waste as
much energy as boiling a cup of water, or what ever it is they
claim.   If you can't buy a stack of compact discs to record your
data, then what good is free internet?

People that can not afford internet access do not have the financial
skills to use the internet appropriately, and net neutrality advocates
point to the opportunity of lead programs that are really education
centers, not internet access points.   Training programs do not have
to operate on the internet, and most job applications involve showing
up, filling out a form, and having a contact number, employers to not
have time to interact on the internet with potential employees.

Net neutrality's abuse potential outweighs its benefit, by giving the
government the eventual control of personal communications and the
freedoms privacy that represents.

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Robert Cohen  
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From: Robert Cohen <robtco...@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:47:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Health care does not affect the economy
re: health benefits of USA companies in U.S.A. have nothing to do with
anything much re overall economy

If such is not a joke, then the polemic's author might console
stockholders of
 the bankrupted GM, whom will be writing off their itty bitty losses
in GM stock
come April 15

GM cost has/had been approx $1500 per BOP, Chev, GMC, Hummer, and
Saturn sold
per each unionized worker's GM  health benefits

Somebody, please correct me If I am factually full of it but just re
that estimated $1500
per car sold, i already knew that i am 'out of it' generally


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Discussion subject changed to "(OT) : Why Obama-Careİ SUCKS -cause- Health Care Does Affect the Economy" by RHF
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From: RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:37:01 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 6:37 am
Subject: (OT) : Why Obama-Careİ SUCKS -cause- Health Care Does Affect the Economy
On Nov 5, 2:47 am, MagneticEnergy <butterfly77...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What people spend on health care has nothing to do with the job
> market.   You can spend more on health care and get better  results,
> that has nothing to do with your "global financial competition",
> minimum wage, or union actions.

Health Care Spending in the USA is said to be 15%
of the GDP -that's- One in Seven Dollars

Funding US Heath Care through US Jobs and US
Incomes Taxes on American Workers ADDS to the
Cost of American Products {Goods} and Services.
Resulting in Increasing those Cost for Domestic
Made Items; and Items that we Export {Made in
the USA}; while Imported Items do not have those
Costs Built into them.

Funding US Heath Care through a VAT Sales Tax
Taxes both Domestic and Imported Products {Goods}
and Services Equally; plus USA Made Items then sell
Cheaper on the International Market.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dde71b44cb7f7488

Why Obama-Careİ SUCKS -cause- It's Funding
is based on US Jobs and US Incomes Taxes on
American Workers and Employers; and puts
American Made Products {Goods} and Services at a
Price Disadvantage Around the World; which is Bad
for the American Economy and Kills American Jobs.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/ea97b840be227617

The Government Option and Single Payer Works
most efficiently when Funded by a VAT Sales Tax
System that is broadly based and who's Cost is
Equally Distributed among all Citizens.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bc0b9120a84fbb9e

Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums
Could Triple Under Obama-Careİ -source- WSJ
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a7e31bccc1d98b86
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/761f49abafef...

-if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/95b4b2d695fb...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1561fc697f2cc612

Paying For A National "Universal" Health Care System
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/ea97b840be227617

Universal Health Care -means- Universal Health Care
Insurance -aka- Everybody Pays
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/56b0e08cc98891d9
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d676440217d9f07f
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/86252753633ddf86

idtars ~ RHF
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Discussion subject changed to "(OT) : Why Obama-Careİ SUCKS - GOP we need more war to fix economy" by Ima
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From: Ima <o...@two.org>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:11:30 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 7:11 am
Subject: Re: (OT) : Why Obama-Careİ SUCKS - GOP we need more war to fix economy

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:37:01 -0800, RHF wrote:

RepubliCAN'Ts,   We need more war to fix the economy

Democrats,  We need to save the lives of our citizens

I wonder what party is more <cough cough>  "Christian"?


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Discussion subject changed to "(OT) : Why Obama-Careİ SUCKS -cause- Health Care Does Affect the Economy" by Morton Davis
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From: "Morton Davis" <antike...@go.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:37:16 GMT
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 5:37 am
Subject: Re: (OT) : Why Obama-Careİ SUCKS -cause- Health Care Does Affect the Economy

"RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message

news:c3625541-af76-461a-b70d-38378c10bbcd@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 2:47 am, MagneticEnergy <butterfly77...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What people spend on health care has nothing to do with the job
> market. You can spend more on health care and get better results,
> that has nothing to do with your "global financial competition",
> minimum wage, or union actions.

Health Care Spending in the USA is said to be 15%
of the GDP -that's- One in Seven Dollars

Funding US Heath Care through US Jobs and US
Incomes Taxes on American Workers ADDS to the
Cost of American Products {Goods} and Services.
Resulting in Increasing those Cost for Domestic
Made Items; and Items that we Export {Made in
the USA}; while Imported Items do not have those
Costs Built into them.
===================
BULLSHIT. Imported items have the double digit taxes of those countries plus
the double digit inflation built into them,


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Discussion subject changed to "(OT) : Why You American DickeheadHealth Care SUCKS?" by EHWollmann
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From: "EHWollmann" <arcturian...@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:37:51 -0800
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: (OT) : Why You American DickeheadHealth Care SUCKS?
All of you Rightards are such stupid idiotic jerks.  You are not worthy to argue or comment about American heathcare because yours sucks forever.  Look at the French healthcare, They are world's #1, they are not rich like US but why their system is so efficient!  So quit argue and shut the fuck off.  let Obama run his healthcare program.  I know his economy is not no different than Bush, but don't just throw his idea off like you're a whole bunch of negro haters.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:27:55 -0500
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Subject: Re: (OT) : Why You American DickeheadHealth Care SUCKS?
What is "heathcare"?

"EHWollmann" <arcturian...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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From: "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:28:36 -0500
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Subject: Re: (OT) : Why You American DickeheadHealth Care SUCKS?
"EHWollmann" <arcturian...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> All of you Rightards are such stupid idiotic jerks.  You are not worthy to
> argue or comment about American heathcare because yours sucks forever.
> Look at the French healthcare, They are world's #1, they are not rich like
> US but why their system is so efficient!  So quit argue and shut the fuck
> off.  let Obama run his healthcare program.  I know his economy is not no
> different than Bush, but don't just throw his idea off like you're a whole
> bunch of negro haters.

   The funny thing about racists, -especially- the liberal ones, is that
they never know who they are.

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From: RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:50:04 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:50 am
Subject: Re: (OT) : Why Obama-Careİ SUCKS -cause- Health Care Does Affect the Economy
On Nov 9, 4:37 pm, "Morton Davis" <antike...@go.com> wrote:
> "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message

> news:c3625541-af76-461a-b70d-38378c10bbcd@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 5, 2:47 am, MagneticEnergy <butterfly77...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > What people spend on health care has nothing to do with the job
> > market. You can spend more on health care and get better results,
> > that has nothing to do with your "global financial competition",
> > minimum wage, or union actions.

- - Health Care Spending in the USA is said to be 15%
- - of the GDP -that's- One in Seven Dollars
- -
- - Funding US Heath Care through US Jobs and US
- - Incomes Taxes on American Workers ADDS to the
- - Cost of American Products {Goods} and Services.
- - Resulting in Increasing those Cost for Domestic
- - Made Items; and Items that we Export {Made in
- - the USA}; while Imported Items do not have those
- - Costs Built into them.

===================

- BULLSHIT. Imported items have the double digit
- taxes of those countries plus the double digit
- inflation built into them,

Exported Items generally do not pay the Domestic
VAT Sales Taxes so that these items can be sold
at the lowest Price on the International Market; and
bring Income into the Country of Origin.
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From: RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:54:02 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:54 am
Subject: Re: (OT) : Why You American DickeheadHealth Care SUCKS?
On Nov 9, 11:37 pm, "EHWollmann" <arcturian...@earthlink.net> wrote:
- All of you Rightards are such stupid idiotic jerks.
- You are not worthy to argue or comment about
- American heathcare because yours sucks forever.
- Look at the French healthcare, They are world's #1,
- they are not rich like US but why their system is so
- efficient!  So quit argue and shut the fuck off.
- let Obama run his healthcare program.
- I know his economy is not no different than Bush,

That's just so much Liberal-Fascist Name Calling
and NOT FACTS.

- but don't just throw his idea off like you're
- a whole bunch of negro haters.

So Pelosi & Reid & Obama are all 'negros'
will i never knew . . .


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From: "Morton Davis" <antike...@go.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:35:25 GMT
Local: Wed, Nov 11 2009 9:35 am
Subject: Re: (OT) : Why You American DickeheadHealth Care SUCKS?

"RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message

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On Nov 9, 11:37 pm, "EHWollmann" <arcturian...@earthlink.net> wrote:
- All of you Rightards are such stupid idiotic jerks.
=====================
Posts the idiotic jerk.
===================
- Look at the French healthcare, They are world's #1,
======================

By whose measure? According to the W.H.O. USA health care is the best.


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From: "Brenda Ann" <newsgro...@fullspectrumradio.org>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:38:10 +0900
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Subject: Re: (OT) : Why You American DickeheadHealth Care SUCKS?

"Morton Davis" <antike...@go.com> wrote in message

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> "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:498d887b-5a36-43a3-8455-6ad548c5c0a7@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 11:37 pm, "EHWollmann" <arcturian...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> - All of you Rightards are such stupid idiotic jerks.
> =====================
> Posts the idiotic jerk.
> ===================
> - Look at the French healthcare, They are world's #1,
> ======================

> By whose measure? According to the W.H.O. USA health care is the best.

Actually, the W.H.O. ranks France as #1.

The US is ranked #37.

1         France
2         Italy
3         San Marino
4         Andorra
5         Malta
6         Singapore
7         Spain
8         Oman
9         Austria
10        Japan
11        Norway
12        Portugal
13        Monaco
14        Greece
15        Iceland
16        Luxembourg
17        Netherlands
18        United  Kingdom
19        Ireland
20        Switzerland
21        Belgium
22        Colombia
23        Sweden
24        Cyprus
25        Germany
26        Saudi Arabia
27        United  Arab  Emirates
28        Israel
29        Morocco
30        Canada
31        Finland
32        Australia
33        Chile
34        Denmark
35        Dominica
36        Costa Rica
37        United States of America
38        Slovenia
39        Cuba
40        Brunei
41        New Zealand
42        Bahrain
43        Croatia
44        Qatar
45        Kuwait
46        Barbados
47        Thailand
48        Czech Republic
49        Malaysia
50        Poland
51        Dominican Republic
52        Tunisia
53        Jamaica
54        Venezuela
55        Albania
56        Seychelles
57        Paraguay
58        South     Korea
59        Senegal
60        Philippines
61        Mexico
62        Slovakia
63        Egypt
64        Kazakhstan
65        Uruguay
66        Hungary
67        Trinidad and Tobago
68        Saint     Lucia
69        Belize
70        Turkey
71        Nicaragua
72        Belarus
73        Lithuania
74        Saint Vincent  and the   Grenadines
75        Argentina
76        Sri  Lanka
77        Estonia
78        Guatemala
79        Ukraine
80        Solomon   Islands
81        Algeria
82        Palau
83        Jordan
84        Mauritius
85        Grenada
86        Antigua   and Barbuda
87        Libya
88        Bangladesh
89        Macedonia
90        Bosnia-Herzegovina
91        Lebanon
92        Indonesia
93        Iran
94        Bahamas
95        Panama
96        Fiji
97        Benin
98        Nauru
99        Romania
100       Saint Kitts and Nevis
101       Moldova
102       Bulgaria
103       Iraq
104       Armenia
105       Latvia
106       Yugoslavia
107       Cook Islands
108       Syria
109       Azerbaijan
110       Suriname
111       Ecuador
112       India
113       Cape Verde
114       Georgia
115       El   Salvador
116       Tonga
117       Uzbekistan
118       Comoros
119       Samoa
120       Yemen
121       Niue
122       Pakistan
123       Micronesia
124       Bhutan
125       Brazil
126       Bolivia
127       Vanuatu
128       Guyana
129       Peru
130       Russia
131       Honduras
132       Burkina   Faso
133       Sao Tome and Principe
134       Sudan
135       Ghana
136       Tuvalu
137       Ivory Coast
138       Haiti
139       Gabon
140       Kenya
141       Marshall Islands
142       Kiribati
143       Burundi
144       China
145       Mongolia
146       Gambia
147       Maldives
148       Papua New Guinea
149       Uganda
150       Nepal
151       Kyrgystan
152       Togo
153       Turkmenistan
154       Tajikistan
155       Zimbabwe
156       Tanzania
157       Djibouti
158       Eritrea
159       Madagascar
160       Vietnam
161       Guinea
162       Mauritania
163       Mali
164       Cameroon
165       Laos
166       Congo
167       North Korea
168       Namibia
169       Botswana
170       Niger
171       Equatorial Guinea
172       Rwanda
173       Afghanistan
174       Cambodia
175       South     Africa
176       Guinea-Bissau
177       Swaziland
178       Chad
179       Somalia
180       Ethiopia
181       Angola
182       Zambia
183       Lesotho
184       Mozambique
185       Malawi
186       Liberia
187       Nigeria
188       Democratic Republic of   the Congo
189       Central   African   Republic
190       Myanmar


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From: "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:39:54 -0500
Local: Wed, Nov 11 2009 10:39 am
Subject: Re: (OT) : Why You American DickeheadHealth Care SUCKS?
"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
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> "EHWollmann" <arcturian...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:l7KdnXIRbKbMhWTXnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@posted.toastnet...
>> All of you Rightards are such stupid idiotic jerks.  You are not worthy
>> to argue or comment about American heathcare because yours sucks forever.
>> Look at the French healthcare, They are world's #1, they are not rich
>> like US but why their system is so efficient!  So quit argue and shut the
>> fuck off.  let Obama run his healthcare program.  I know his economy is
>> not no different than Bush, but don't just throw his idea off like you're
>> a whole bunch of negro haters.

Pelosi's victory for women

 Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi scored a giant gain for feminism last
weekend. In shoving her controversy-plagued healthcare reform bill to
victory by a paper-thin margin, she conclusively demonstrated that a woman
can be just as gritty, ruthless and arm-twisting in pursuing her agenda as
anyone in the long line of fabled male speakers before her. Even a basic
feminist shibboleth like abortion rights became just another card for Pelosi
to deal and swap.

It was a stunningly impressive recovery for someone who seemed to be coming
apart at the seams last summer, when a sputtering, rattled Pelosi struggled
to deal with the nationwide insurgency of town hall protesters -- reputable,
concerned citizens whom she outrageously tried to tar as Nazis. Whether or
not her bill survives in the Senate is immaterial: Pelosi's hard-won,
trench-warfare win sets a new standard for U.S. women politicians and is
certainly well beyond anything the posturing but ineffectual Hillary Clinton
has ever achieved.

As for the actual content of the House healthcare bill, horrors! Where to
begin? That there are serious deficiencies and injustices in the U.S.
healthcare system has been obvious for decades. To bring the poor and
vulnerable into the fold has been a high ideal and an urgent goal for most
Democrats. But this rigid, intrusive and grotesquely expensive bill is a
nightmare. Holy Hygeia, why can't my fellow Democrats see that the creation
of another huge, inefficient federal bureaucracy would slow and disrupt the
delivery of basic healthcare and subject us all to a labyrinthine mass of
incompetent, unaccountable petty dictators? Massively expanding the number
of healthcare consumers without making due provision for the production of
more healthcare providers means that we're hurtling toward a staggering
logjam of de facto rationing. Steel yourself for the deafening screams from
the careerist professional class of limousine liberals when they get
stranded for hours in the jammed, jostling anterooms of doctors' offices.
They'll probably try to hire Caribbean nannies as ringers to do the waiting
for them.

A second issue souring me on this bill is its failure to include the most
common-sense clause to increase competition and drive down prices:
portability of health insurance across state lines. What covert business
interests is the Democratic leadership protecting by stopping consumers from
shopping for policies nationwide? Finally, no healthcare bill is worth the
paper it's printed on when the authors ostentatiously exempt themselves from
its rules. The solipsistic members of Congress want us peons to be ground up
in the communal machine, while they themselves gambol on in the flowering
meadow of their own lavish federal health plan. Hypocrites!

And why are we even considering so gargantuan a social experiment when the
nation is struggling to emerge from a severe recession? It's as if liberals
are starry-eyed dreamers lacking the elementary ability to project or
predict the chaotic and destabilizing practical consequences of their
utopian fantasies. Republicans, on the other hand, have basically sat on
their asses about healthcare reform for the past 20 years and have shown
little interest in crafting legislative solutions to social inequities. The
usual GOP floater about private medical savings accounts is a crock --  
something that, given the astronomical costs of major medical crises, would
be utterly unworkable for families of even average household income.

International models of socialized medicine have been developed for nations
and populations that are usually vastly smaller than our own. There are
positives and negatives in their system as in ours. So what's the point of
this trade? The plight of the uninsured (whose number is far less than
claimed) should be directly addressed without co-opting and destroying the
entire U.S. medical infrastructure. Limited, targeted reforms can ban
gouging and unfair practices and can streamline communications now
wastefully encumbered by red tape. But insurance companies and the
pharmaceutical industry are not the sole cause of mounting healthcare costs,
and constantly demonizing them is a demagogic evasion.

How dare anyone claim humane aims for this bill anyhow when its funding is
based on a slashing of Medicare by over $400 billion? The brutal abandonment
of the elderly here is unconscionable. One would have expected a Democratic
proposal to include an expansion of Medicare, certainly not its gutting. The
passive acquiescence of liberal commentators to this vandalism simply
demonstrates how partisan ideology ultimately desensitizes the mind.

Last week's startling gubernatorial victories by Republicans in Virginia and
New Jersey were routinely dismissed as local aberrations by the liberal
media or inflated as referendums on President Obama by the conservative
media. But voters were clearly revolting against the deranged excess
spending of government at both state and federal levels. So it was as much a
protest against Congress as against the White House.

Obama sure needed a lift and got it from Pelosi. The administration has
seemed to be drifting lately. Obama has dithered for months about a strategy
for Afghanistan -- another rats' nest we should pull our troops out of
overnight. Then there was the bizarre disproportion in Obama's flying to
Denmark to flog a Chicago Olympics yet not having time to make it to Germany
to celebrate the fall of the Berlin Wall -- which suggests a frivolous
provincialism as well as ignorance of history among the president's
principal advisors. And Obama's muted response to last week's massacre at
Fort Hood has exposed ambiguities and uncertainties in the U.S. government
and military about how to respond to homegrown militant Islam. The
presidency is a heavy burden -- a prize that can become a curse.

  <snip>

http://salon.com/news/opinion/camille_paglia/2009/11/10/pelosi/index....

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Discussion subject changed to "(OT) : "Sick Around the World" hosted by T.R. Reid on PBS for Health Care That Caresİ" by RHF
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From: RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:33:06 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 11 2009 1:33 pm
Subject: (OT) : "Sick Around the World" hosted by T.R. Reid on PBS for Health Care That Caresİ
On Nov 10, 1:54 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:

Watch/See/Look-At/View the PBS Frontline
TV Program "Sick Around the World"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/
hosted by T.R. Reid

* The Four Main Health Care System Concepts
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/...

* The Five National Systems Studied
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/

-more info-
http://illinipundit.com/2008/04/18/health-care-systems-program-pbss-f...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michele-swenson/sick-around-the-world-c...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/04/08/DI...

~ RHF
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:13:43 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Forgeries Re: (OT) : Why You American DickeheadHealth Care SUCKS?
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> All of you Rightards are such stupid idiotic jerks.  You are not worthy to argue or comment about American heathcare because yours sucks forever.  Look at the French healthcare, They are world's #1, they are not rich like US but why their system is so efficient!  So quit argue and shut the fuck off.  let Obama run his healthcare program.  I know his economy is not no different than Bush, but don't just throw his idea off like you're a whole bunch of negro haters.

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